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Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: RoyofCA on May 20, 2002, 05:39:21 PM
People play this game as a single player, not a team based, game. They let goons die because they would rather furball someone who is no threat and get easy perks.

Since so few people protect goons, something must be done to insure this game remains team based and not a single player game, like many treat it.

So now we need to take some action:

Whenever a goon is shot down by an enemy fighter (not prox kiled or crashed) with all his troops, any friendly fighter plane within a half grid distance from him will lose 20 fighter perks. This is not ontop of what he already has made for the current sortie.

If a goon's troops enter a town that is not flaten, all bombers within half a grid lose 20 bomber perks. This is not ontop of what he already has made for the current sortie.

Maybe now people will start protecting the goons instead of worrying about a empty bomber who is smoking and 30k up.

If you do not like it, then I guess you do not like playing as a team, you like playing this game as a single player game instead.

Now goons will be very highly protected targets and fighters won't waste time on stupid toejam like they have been :)
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: HFMudd on May 20, 2002, 05:43:21 PM
I can see it is going to be difficult for Rude to select the WotW from field this time through.  

And it's only Monday!
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Fatty on May 20, 2002, 05:44:32 PM
Cool, I'll start upping goons for base defense again.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Wotan on May 20, 2002, 05:47:54 PM
some folks dont care about goons or field capture.

How about this every channel 1 whine or bbs whine you lose 20 perks. If you reach neg 40 then all you fly is goons.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: -ammo- on May 20, 2002, 05:48:50 PM
you assume that everyone gives a hoot about base capture all of the time. Sometimes I would just rather furball to my hearts content, and its my money, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.:)
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: K West on May 20, 2002, 06:03:38 PM
lol.  Now THIS is funny.

 Westy
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: samu1 on May 20, 2002, 06:24:32 PM
::Yawn::
I haven't seen a whine as pathetic as this since i pulled the plug on my Grandad :D
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Kweassa on May 20, 2002, 06:50:05 PM
I'm sorry to say, even though I feel more towards cooperative base-captures, some goons are just not worth protecting. Flying a goon needs skill, too.

 The biggest factor in protecting goons is the pilot of the goon himself. I've gooned a lot for the Rooks. Most of the times I got shot down was by a some desperate Zero or a Spit which barged  in through friendly fighter defenses in a suicidal manner. The times I've been shot down on my way to the target is extremely low. And I've flown to many perilous situations, not just 100% totally vuclhed bases. I've scored a lot of 'miraculous' gooning too.

 Judging the situation correctly is a part of gooning skill. You can't just expect everyone to look after you all the time. Careful pre-planning and skill, I suggest you use those traits.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: aztec on May 20, 2002, 06:53:20 PM
Well RoyofCa I was there during your screeching screaming take 32 diatrabe tonight and if I remeber correctly you called me a moron for joking about taking 44 while I was helping you with 32.

We had the majority working for 32 and were steadily taking bases....I don't think you would have been happy until every single one of us was doing exactly what you said. Ya know what, read Ammos post, unclench your damn sphincter, learn how to use the mission editor and then come back and give us a status report.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: aztec on May 20, 2002, 06:56:28 PM
Btw RoyofCa, I didn't here much from you when I dragged that N1K off your goon.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: AKDejaVu on May 20, 2002, 07:03:10 PM
Just how do you protect a goon?  Does anybody have a full proof method?

It seems to me that a spotted goon is pretty much a dead goon.

AKDejaVu
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Sox62 on May 20, 2002, 07:45:01 PM
I prefer to not have an escort.Someone may decide to engage the escort,and then see me,lol.

 I would rather just try to sneak in.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Pongo on May 20, 2002, 08:10:15 PM
Cast your vote for Roy!
The stupidest person in the Game!
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: loser on May 20, 2002, 08:10:54 PM
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Just how do you protect a goon?  Does anybody have a full proof method?

It seems to me that a spotted goon is pretty much a dead goon.

AKDejaVu



yes deja, you fly a b17 directly above it (like i mean about 50 feet above it)   highly dweeby and unrealistic, but it works.


btw roy, this is the dumbest thread i have ever seen with crappy ideas throughout the original post.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: NHattila on May 20, 2002, 08:16:57 PM
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Originally posted by loser


btw roy, this is the dumbest thread i have ever seen with crappy ideas throughout the original post.



i agree with ya here loser. and anyone else that thinks this post is the most idiotic thing they have ever read.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Sikboy on May 20, 2002, 08:18:00 PM
Will you still lose points if the Goons crash while trying to ram your jet?

-Sikboy
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: loser on May 20, 2002, 08:52:04 PM
ROFLMAO  

okay okay.... d/l "spanish flea" by herb albert and the tijuana brass

then play the song as you read roy's post....it is about 100 times more funny than it already is.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: AKEagle+ on May 20, 2002, 09:06:03 PM
My score on this one???

It is sooo pathetic, I can't even give it a 1 :rolleyes:

Well, since there ain't no zeros, I give it a 0.05 :eek:

Just goes to show what happens to people who sniffed too much glue when they were kids :(

AKEagle+
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: poopster on May 20, 2002, 09:24:29 PM
For the love of Country and God as my copilot I will make the ultimate sacrifice, to put my life on the line for honor and.......

Nahhh....

wit you ammo.. Let's kill somthin :D

Maybe...

Just maybe..

AN ENEMY GOON :eek:

There just so sloooooww and fat ;)
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Sunchaser on May 20, 2002, 11:40:49 PM
NoRoy, the flaw in your plan is the Goon driver has to get the perk points that all those incompatent  fighter jocks and fluffers lose, I would have....err, several billion if HTC had adopted that idea awhile ago.

Look Roy, the C47 is clearly marked TARGET so just be prepared to die or stay out of it.

It is sweet if ya make it though, right?

As soon as we get our clone bombers and level the map the gooney drivers will get a break.
Title: Re: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: pbirmingham on May 20, 2002, 11:46:59 PM
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Originally posted by RoyofCA
People play this game as a single player, not a team based, game. They let goons die because they would rather furball someone who is no threat and get easy perks.


Darn tootin', Skippy!  You want me to do different, you pony up my $15/mo.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: FDutchmn on May 20, 2002, 11:53:24 PM
hasn't it occurred to anyone of you that this guy RoyofCA is a troller? :)
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Fester' on May 21, 2002, 12:32:02 AM
Will you still lose points if the Goons crash while trying to ram your jet?

-Sikboy


LMFAO I damn near peed my pants :)     Pure poetry
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Blue Mako on May 21, 2002, 12:33:05 AM
I think this guy has typed too many paragraphs to be a simple troller, looks like he has actually put some thought into it.  The grammar and spelling are too precise...
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 21, 2002, 12:52:05 AM
No No No!

We gotta make it that you loose 20 perk points if you kill an enemy goon.....  

:rolleyes:
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: FDutchmn on May 21, 2002, 01:22:06 AM
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Originally posted by Blue Mako
I think this guy has typed too many paragraphs to be a simple troller, looks like he has actually put some thought into it.  The grammar and spelling are too precise...


signs of a dedicated and avid troller! :D
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Samm on May 21, 2002, 01:35:37 AM
Truth be told once a goon is spotted by a high bandit there is very little one can do to save it . And escort fighters will do more harm than good .
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Furious on May 21, 2002, 02:40:16 AM
I like this idea, and I think it could be taken even farther.

When anyone dies in anything, charge the nearest friendly 20 perks.  After all its about teamwork, right?  

If that friendly didn't save my stupid ass, he should pay!!


F.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: aztec on May 21, 2002, 05:22:47 AM
Trust me FDutchman this is no troll...after listening to him screaming at and berating friendlies for 3 hours, it's obviuos this is the real deal.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: fffreeze220 on May 21, 2002, 05:27:32 AM
Ok if anybody got a film were he is protecting succesfully a goon from a suicide La7 on her six....... I REALLY WANT TO SEE IT.
How should we protect a goon against a pilot who gives a f... on his life just to get the goon.
every1 myself included will go after the goon either if he dies too or not. Primary target in that case is the goon and nothing alse
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: DrDea on May 21, 2002, 05:33:16 AM
What a great Idea.While were at it...if you die and no one gave you a check 6 all pilots in the area that had a visual of you that DIDnt give a check 6 must log off and go stand in the corner.If you do that 3 times in 2 days then your account will be closed and all left over funds will go to Hitechs Bribe fund.Who cares if the goon comes in when its not clear yet.Make those people pay for not catering to the goon pilots.Its teamwork or no work at all.
  I think the Wine of the week has been locked.:rolleyes:
Title: I can't take it any more...
Post by: KSB666 on May 21, 2002, 06:19:05 AM
As you can see, I never post, but this has stuck in my craw.

For the last few days, while bish momentum was high and we were taking several bases relatively quickly, a couple of really bright folks would take a goon to a nearby enemy base and circle for 15 minutes while screaming "38 is empty, I need a fighter to hit the town!" ad nauseum. This is annoying in and of itself.

What's worse is having to suffer through their crying for the next half hour about how "We have no teamwork" and "you morons don't want to take bases".

No crying. Please. Shut up and fly.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Masherbrum on May 21, 2002, 07:06:00 AM
DAMN SKIPPY, KSB666!!!!  Let me know when you're in a goon Roy, I'll escort you with .50cals a blazing..............at your wing!

RUDE, this is BY FAR the Whine of the Week and a pathetic attempt to bring blame about friendlies.  

You negated your "teamwork" statement by putting your frustrations first.  If YOU were a team player Roy, you wouldn't have posted that roadkill.  Don't preach teamwork in here and post mularkey about perk points!!!?  

I'm the one that will go through a wall of fighters to bring goonies down, stupid?  Some may say so, then again, I can care less about perks, and I'll be up in my fighter and crusing along while you are taking off from the grass in your goonie.   Furthermore, supplies or troops are strained because of my stupidity.  

Masher
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: SirLoin on May 21, 2002, 07:15:27 AM
Don't let us down Rude..!!!
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: MadBirdCZ on May 21, 2002, 07:16:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by fffreeze220

How should we protect a goon against a pilot who gives a f... on his life just to get the goon.
every1 myself included will go after the goon either if he dies too or not. Primary target in that case is the goon and nothing alse


Well let me tell it this way: For succesfull goon protection, prolly the most important factor is the goon pilot himself. From my own experience in MA so far goons when Attacked by enemy fighter do just fly straight and in most cases they don't even bother to make any evasives (although C47 in AH is capable of doing quite pretty stuff). Second thing is when you in mission and there are planes specificaly assigned to goon protection they should sty with goons and not to fly away to vulch field while goons get slaughtered by some goon pickers ;)  (i love to pick goons...)

This whole thread is pretty stupid anyway. So saying it simple if you unable to protect your goon you wont get the capture... I think thats enough...
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: fffreeze220 on May 21, 2002, 07:19:56 AM
Nope.... cause.

1. only a skilled pilot can survive 3 or 4 zooms from some 1.

2. The main aspect to bring a goon into a town is unvisible for enema.

3. a spottet goon is a dead goon in 99%
Title: Best protection for a goon would be...
Post by: Kronos on May 21, 2002, 07:59:35 AM
stick a top turret on it with a rear firing gun.   C47's (some russian and finnish ones) were armed with them in WW2.    I think they were only rear firing though, not sure.

However... this post is hilarious.  :D
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Wilbus on May 21, 2002, 08:06:42 AM
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you assume that everyone gives a hoot about base capture all of the time. Sometimes I would just rather furball to my hearts content, and its my money, so put that in your pipe and smoke it. :)


Well said, I don't give a damn about field capture most of the time, if I see a friend in trouble I try and save him no matter he's in a goon or fighter or bomber, if he throws my attack and atempt to assist him away by turning hard etc he might as well stay down there.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Don on May 21, 2002, 09:02:01 AM
>>Whenever a goon is shot down by an enemy fighter (not prox kiled or crashed) with all his troops, any friendly fighter plane within a half grid distance from him will lose 20 fighter perks. This is not ontop of what he already has made for the current sortie<<


Hmmm, kind of unfair to the guy who tried and the gooney was shot down anyway. I can think of many scenarios where this can, and has happened. It seems to me, it is not the guy who tries you would want to apply this to but, the guy(s) who routinely ignore protection of Gooneys so he can get kills or avoid being killed to protect K/D.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Wlfgng on May 21, 2002, 09:10:43 AM
I can see it now...  country switchers that just want to make you lose as many perks as possible.

bad idea
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Zippatuh on May 21, 2002, 09:12:01 AM
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Will you still lose points if the Goons crash while trying to ram your jet?

-Sikboy


LOL – this just after I read the other.  Damn good morning I tell ya!
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: zipity on May 21, 2002, 05:57:07 PM
Roy, first off let me say, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.  Now that said, you stated:

>>>Since so few people protect goons, something must be done to insure this game remains team based and not a single player game, like many treat it.

How about this, HTC should reprogram the "check 6" warning for goon pilots.  When flying a goon and you see a con coming in you center the con just like you would a friendly for a check 6, but when you hit the key, all your fellow country players hear, "Whaaa, help me, help me, I'm going to die, I'm going to die, whaaaa".  To really make if effective the recording should be made by a whiney 5 year old.
Title: Re: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Kuben on May 21, 2002, 06:56:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by RoyofCA
People play this game as a single player, not a team based, game. They let goons die because they would rather furball someone who is no threat and get easy perks.

Since so few people protect goons, something must be done to insure this game remains team based and not a single player game, like many treat it.

So now we need to take some action:


You MUST be a democrat.  :rolleyes:
"People don't think like I do so lets put some rules on the books to force them to think like I do."

I'm going to go throw up now.

Kuben
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: Hajo on May 21, 2002, 07:07:29 PM
It's apparent the shock therapy didn't work.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: milnko on May 21, 2002, 08:24:05 PM
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
It seems to me that a spotted goon is pretty much a dead goon.

AKDejaVu


I'll say!
Why they just scream "kill me" when worn with plaid golfer pants.

Fortunately the striped goons are easier to mix and match with, especially late in the year due to the fall colors most everyone wear.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: ZeroPing on May 21, 2002, 09:16:30 PM
ROY CHEATS AND WHINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sit down
flame away muahaha
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: pbirmingham on May 22, 2002, 12:45:41 AM
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Originally posted by MadBirdCZ


Well let me tell it this way: For succesfull goon protection, prolly the most important factor is the goon pilot himself. From my own experience in MA so far goons when Attacked by enemy fighter do just fly straight and in most cases they don't even bother to make any evasives (although C47 in AH is capable of doing quite pretty stuff).


Heck yeah!

Somewhere I have a film of me doing loop after loop after loop in a C47.    It was quite surprising how much you can do in that plane.
Title: If a goon dies near you, you will now lose perks
Post by: NJMAW on May 23, 2002, 05:41:50 AM
The fact is that most pilots can fly a goon, but dont know WHEN and WHERE to fly a goon.   Part of flying a goon is the expectation of getting shot down.  Why you think they give out so many perks for a capture?
:rolleyes: