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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: osker on February 08, 2001, 10:04:00 PM
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* 51 comes in looking for an easy HO or tailend kill, doesn't get it, runs far far away. *
Too many of those scenarios for my money.
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Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out dude.
To each his own.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up space"
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I hate when people don't let me kill them too.... the bastiges
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osker,
First of all.. ALL IS FAIR in LOVE AND WAR.
Second of all, some people play and dont care if the die or not. A good majority,in my opinion, play as if it was real or have the same idea I have.. I mean try to survive. My personnal goal is to complete as many mission as possible without dying, even if it is a routine patrol and I don't get a kill. I fly a P47 and I would due the same thing a stang would due.. ZOOM and BOOM. Hit and run tactics. Most people that fly the Stang know that it is NOT a turn and burn plane. Get it low and slow and its toast as is the P47.. but again its the pilot that counts. I have seen both Stang Pilots and Thunder Pilots low and slow and they walk away with a few kills and all in one piece. My Uncle served in the Pacific as a P39 pilot, had 4 air to air kills and 25 ground kills and one of the things that he will tell you is to use the planes Strengths and if your are gready and disobey the negatives.. your dead.
Third, don't give up. If a stang zooms you and booms you, get away if possible and find a fight elswere. If you have noticed, you don't see a lot of Stangs in the air as compared to F4Us and 109s and FW190s. Hell I rarely see a P38 anymore. Don't get flustered and pissed off. Just go elsewere in the arena.
Fourth, if you are playing AH to constantly bee in dog fights and people not run away.. your in the wrong game. AH players are more organzied then what I have seen, smarter pilots too. People not so willing to just fight and die..fight and die. I am glad the perk planes are coming, gets people to become more organized and fight like they would for real in WWII ..not going off half cocked. Anyway,, enough BS
Just don't give up, I have played a lot of WWII flight sims..online.. and AH in my mind is the most challanging, most agrivating due to the level of the pilots, and the most rewarding.
Stick around!!
Gorf
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Originally posted by osker:
* 51 comes in looking for an easy HO or tailend kill, doesn't get it, runs far far away. *
Too many of those scenarios for my money.
If you arent getting what you want from your money, then its your choice. Cant argue with that.
As a P51 pilot, i will almost allways attack whilst i have the advantage, and disengage when i dont. Call it what you will, i think people just are plain jealous they cant disengage at will. And once you have and they try to chase you, reversing will only get you killed, unless you extend passed about 4K where you got room to zoom, reverse, dive and get airspeed on the merge (without it your dead).
It takes skill to fly a p51 right. I will often press bad situations and come out on top, but not by getting into a turn fight.
P51 is not a turner, a good pilot will never turn in it. Hit and run, boom and zoom.
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Call me a bad pilot- I will almost always turn in the 51. Don't win a lot of 'em, but I will fight. My only caveat is I want a little alt to play with in case I do have to egress.
Osker, where you been? You know about that big red sector bar on radar? Take your plane there, you will find trouble enough...
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I turn my p51 all the time well almost i wont turn fight u if you and your 2 buddys are on my six but if you are alone you can expect an good fight (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I dont know about the rest of you but this is the lamest bellybutton excuse for a post Ive ever seen.
Yeager
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im not a pony driver (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) so can`t tell how to fly runstaNG, BUT IM WAITING FOR HANGTIME`S POST (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Troll...
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I don't show anyone named "osker" with any sorties flown for tour 12 or 13. What was your GameID, osker?
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perk the 51
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Originally posted by Fury:
perk the 51
LOL, beat me to it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Rip,
Shouldnt you be designing $10,000 toilet seats are something? Get to work!
You guys are buttafuccod if you think perking the P51D is a viable consequence to perking that God Foresaken Chog POS!
Yeager (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 02-09-2001).]
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LMAO yeager !
Osker, that's cause U're a smart boy, if ya're stipid like me. I log in the arena, and whatever I do, I get shot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Saw
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LOL Yeager!
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Far more usual scenario...
In 51 with plenty of E, come into a potential HO situation with a Spitfire IX. Taking the HO is not a good idea, so take the low road under the Spit. If he tried for HO he is low nose, and maybe even silly enough to split-S. The 51 now noses up and goes for a big, slow, climbing turn. This places the 51 in the position to continue to bounce. The Spit will likely fall into the pattern of breaking hard for overshoot, possibly up or down. You can keep outturning him in the vertical plane for a bit. The break point (that is, the place where you get lost) is where you can no longer maintain a comfortable vertical advantage.
All this really means is you can use superior E to outturn the Spit, or any other plane. When your energy states grow more equal you need to extend.
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Just now starting to finally realize the 51's strengths. Like everyone says, use alt and E. Run if things aren't going your way. Most times things aren't going my way, and the 51 can take you to safety as quick as anything out there. As far as not enough fighting, don't go looking' it'll find you.
sax***13th tas***
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Sax,
Ive been meaning to tell you how impressed I have been with your aggresiveness and skill when closing and battling with the enemy.
Very impressive.
Yeager <S>
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Originally posted by osker:
* 51 comes in looking for an easy HO or tailend kill, doesn't get it, runs far far away. *
Too many of those scenarios for my money.
If your looking for a "Quake O Matic" game your right this isn't the one for you. Sorry that they all wont sit still for you. But we will all learn from your post and make sure the next new guy has it much easier. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Hope you find that stationary target game your craving. Your excuse is the most pathetic I've herd yet but it is your money. By.
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Originally posted by Jimdandy:
If your looking for a "Quake O Matic" game your right this isn't the one for you. Sorry that they all wont sit still for you. But we will all learn from your post and make sure the next new guy has it much easier. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Hope you find that stationary target game your craving. Your excuse is the most pathetic I've herd yet but it is your money. By.
Yes I was looking for more action, not a $360 a year MS Flight Sim.
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thx yeager//coming from from you that meams a lot.
sax
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Osker has a good point. I've never seen such a timid group of virtual fighter pilots in my life. I don't know if it's the early warning people get from the AWACS, if it's a quest for perk points, or if it's just a group character flaw, but there don't seem to be too many people who like to dogfight unless the odds are fully in their favor.
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Originally posted by osker:
Yes I was looking for more action, not a $360 a year MS Flight Sim.
Try Fighter Ace they have these neato air to air rockets and an arena with unlimited ammo and fuel and no cockpit view man its like youre superman flying through the air and then you can t even black out or spin the plane cuz the flight model just rulz except when you get $N!p3d by a guy with the air to air rockets that kind of sucks but then you can just get another plane and spawn in mid air in the free for all arena and you dont even have to take off or nothing and theres lots of cool d00ds in there but you cant drive tanks but thats ok cuz it sucks anyway cuz theres not enough peeps to $N!p3 when ur in a tank but the puter will control the tanks for you so you dont have to do anthing you can just fly around and around and shot cool looking flat tracers that dont have a trajectory and then the computer will tell you exactly where you hit the loser cause all world war ii planes had that kind of system so the pilots would know where they hit but the coolset part are the gunners in the buffs cuz they the computer does those and they never miss and you can dogfight in a b25 pulling 6 gees and the gunners will keep firing just like they did in real life i know this cuz i have the great big coloring book of world war ii airplanes and it sez so right in there ons the page right after hitler shot down that churchhill guy and bombed london.
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I am a P-51D Pilots and Gorf said it faily well.
- Fly as if dying ment dying!
- Never ingage unless you have an advantage... E, Alt, Numbers, Skill (If you know how the enemy is).
- Don't bleed E and fight the other planes fight. Do what your plane does best.
- Fly smart and realize the "Shaw" even describes extending as a proper defencive manuver!
- Fight your fight and HAVE FUN!
Nuh Said Osker, hope you change your mind and enjoy AH
Thunder
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Cya Osker.
I second the bit about don't let the door hit you in the ass.
Just another whiner this sim is better off without IMHO.
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Rape, pillage, then burn...
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lol Raubvogel. Nailed em right between the eyes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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Try Janes WW2, it's very cheap to buy now. I personaly hate it, cause it's just dogfighting with no ACM, but you may like it. Always someone up ready for a fight till you end up epileptic.
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Osker, you need to find a squad. Then you can fly with like 10 guys and do the same thing they are doing to you.
Here's how you judge a good squad.
Find their C/O, check his signature in a BBS reply.
If it is more than 5 lines, has super hoopty spinning airplane animated .gifs, and is longer than his post, thats a good one. It also helps to check for 1 or more (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) icons, and at least 2 <S!>'s in the reply. (Know I don't know what s means, just go alone with it.
There ya go, your on your way to the best "tactical" part of AH. Gangbanging in organised numbers the piss out of newbies like you.
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this <S> is 'salute' I'd guess..
but those signatures, I hope you were sarcastic about that part...
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Originally posted by Jimdandy:
If your looking for a "Quake O Matic" game your right this isn't the one for you.
*yawn* more likely lo-furball o matic..
"I want better engine management!! *baaa*"
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Raub you forgot to tell him that FA would be 1/3 the cost of AH.
Fury
p.s. I get a tinge of sadness reading your description of FA, since I was there for a little over two years and it seems like I need to defend my little baby. But your review is spot on, and if I think about it, FA is good for what it's worth and hits it's target audience pretty well.
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Originally posted by funked:
there don't seem to be too many people who like to dogfight unless the odds are fully in their favor.
Well "I used too" but learned "NOT" too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
After getting my bellybutton shot off enough times by their wingie I try like hell not to dogfight anymore . But funked as u well know it was that way in real life too was it not ?
I am reading Luftwaffe Fighter Aces by Mike Spick right now , seems they didn't stay and dogfight much either . The bounce seems the preferred attack , to bad we don't have the sun to come diving out of .
Yep osker , bye bye . FA they will stay and dogfight lots more , for one thing with there map u know just were "everyone" one is at all times , maybe not at what alt but u do know how close . Lots easier game that way . Have fun where ever .
Creamo my sig don't make it I guess ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) BTW thanks again guy , having lots more fun in the sim as I don't fly unless rested up . The answer you made to my post before helped me alot . While I don't agree to all that you post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) it's sure interesting (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by airspro (edited 02-10-2001).]
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Originally posted by osker:
Yes I was looking for more action, not a $360 a year MS Flight Sim.
Yep osker this is sort of a combo of MS and Jane's. I's for big boy's and girl's that like a sim that offers some reality in the aircraft systems management and a realistic flight model plus combat and strat. As Raubvogel mentioned there re some good kids games out there like Fighter Ace and Air Warrior relaxed realism. There great for those without the patients for this kind of sim. I understand that the attention span of some people in the instant gratification world we have is getting real short. Heck we could be looking at the last of the generation of people that want to see a complex "adult" game setting in hear. As a matter of fact the depth of game play in here is a bit on the shallow side for me. But it'ss still the best WWII combat flight sim out there. I think the perk points are making more people play like they want to live which is great. I like a pilot that thinks and plays it smart rather than the unrealistic guy that has NOTHING to lose. Real pilots don't just jump head long into a situation without analyzing it first if they want to live. They aren't mindless robotic killing machines. They want to live too. They have a job to kill the enemy but try to stay alive doing it. Sure the Japanese and others had suicide pilots but that was an act of a desperate nation backed into a corner. They didn't start that tell near the end of the war. They wouldn't have started if they hadn't been at the end of their rope. The reason I'm even commenting is it just shows me what I'm seeing as a growing trend in people today. If it isn't instant satisfaction we quit! It's to hard!
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funked said...."Osker has a good point. I've never seen such a timid group of virtual fighter pilots in my
life. I don't know if it's the early warning people get from the AWACS, if it's a quest for
perk points, or if it's just a group character flaw, but there don't seem to be too many
people who like to dogfight unless the odds are fully in their favor."
Yep... ded on. I would guess that the idiotic perk system is to blame but who knows... the fact is tho... funked is right. It has been brought to my attention by a new guy that I got into this game (yep... GAME).. Also by my squaddies. We have been logging when things get too boring. Say what you want... Tell my squaddies they don't have the right attitude or whatever but most of em just want to have a good time with a lot of action and.... Most of em can easily mop up the floor with all the posters that are telling poor ol oskr that he is in the wrong sim and that he is a dweeb with no skill yet.
Oh, I like the way sax fights in a 51 too but I bet he stops doing it soon enough. Too bad, weve had some good ones but he is not typical of 51 pile its. Understandable... A well flown 51 is a cowardly 51. That's just the way it is. He is not flyuing it "well" and his squaddies will no doubt correct his mistakes... And then he won't be any fun either.
This is not "war" or "life" it's a friggin game. If you want to pretend to be a fighter pilot or be in a war then the very fantasy nature of the MA is not right for you anyway. It is you that is out of place here not oskr....If you merely want to survive and make riskless kills... How easy can you get? Very little skill required and allmost no ACM.
Everything that has ever been described by anyone as "fun" in this sim requires action...The common denominator is the fight. Some need more than others. If the balance tilts too much toward anal, Amish barn raising... People will leave or not stay in the first place.
Say what you will but you need action to attract and keep people. Currently the balance of action vs.... whatever you call it... is tilting the wrong way.
lazs
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Aye, there is nothing more frustrating than having outflown a 10k alt advantage P51 that bounces you, get him on a good firing position, d700... and start closing in..then watch that bastige dive to d5.0 in a heartbeat. Many times I see groups of P-51's and I simply just turn away, its not worth fighting them anymore.
I dont give a damn if they think they are flying their plane right, or flying the way they like, as far as I am concerned they can stay at 25k or make them run away the moment my nose turns towards them.
BTW, there's nothing more satysfying than HO'ing a pony! Now if only AH modeled damage (nose and engine are lit like a christmas tree by 1 20mm cannon and 4 .50's from a P-38 and the pony still flies... BS) things would be much better.
It requires lots of patience to fly the pony, and their pilots are usually very good. <S> Runstangs!
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(Wishing Runstangs would at least waggle their wings when they run (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
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"..Fly Fighter Ace..fly Janes WWII.."
I don't think osker was critizing AH, he was critizing the way a lot of people fly it...timidly. I think there's some validity to that.
Some people seem to think flying smart means only engaging when they have a distinct advantage. I think in WWII that would be called gutless, but in here just silly since there's really nothing to lose.
Nobody's asking P-51s to turn with Spits down to ground level, but running shouldn't be their first instinct either. Stick around for a couple of merges...who knows, you may some fun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
bowser
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"Nobody's asking P-51s to turn with Spits down to ground level"
Well lots of times that yer only option from running, spits can outturn you so they do everything possible to force you into that fight, mustangs are fast so they will play the speed card, most of the time people yell "runstang" is because the person has just extended to build his e back up which is the basic principal of fighting in that type of plane, as for being gutless from a fight as far as i care if im in an e-fighter and i come up on a turnfighter that is 5k above me im going to run and hope he persues me, slowly losing his alt and thus his advantage, once he is down to my alt i will begin offensive manuevers ( hammerheads and other BnZ tactics)
it is often hard to tell between a person who is trying to get away and a person who is trying to set you up for something...and thats they way they (I) like it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 02-10-2001).]
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The problem is that the "extending" roadkill is based on the bogus ability we have to easily maintain visual contact and a range estimate on a bandit that is 6 miles away. It's not WW2 air combat. It's gaming.
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bogue or not, its they way you have to fight those planes, and I for could care less if I lose visual, i know what direction i cam from and I know the bandit is back there somewhere.
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TheWobble they don't want to have to think. They want lots of rock'um sock'um action. The Quake 'O' Matic. If it takes more then a minute or two it's frustrating and boring. Instant action. I think Jane's and AW have an Instant Action button. It puts you right in the middle of it right off the start. There you go were back to Jane's and AW. There you go guys. Problem solved. I'm surprised these guys have time to get ANY alt. That takes 3 or 4 minutes. How about this. We all fly around right on the deck. That would be conducive of a BIG plane set. How about this one. Spawn points at 20k. Everyone starts at the same alt 1k apart. It would be like a quick draw contest. Oh wait the Mustangs might dive. Ok, we spawn at vehicle spawn points 500 yards apart and dive around shooting at each other. That would stop those pesky Mustangs. We could even have a smash up derby! Wow I think I should start my own flight sim. I'll call it Short Attention Span Furball 'O' Matic Ace. Man from what I've seen I'll get a lot of takers. Oh no! I posted it. Now HT will use the idea. Oh well. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 02-10-2001).]
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"Spawn points at 20k"
seen it in H2H maps, some of the most godawful un-creative maps ever, i think you will get more out of this game if you play it like Chess and less like Quake.
BTW, when Quake came out i was one of the highest ranking players in our local area, and had a "clan" but I dont play AH like I did quake. nad its funner that way...actually if you want to play AH like ANY FPS, play it like You would play Rogue Spear.
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Turn fighters dont understand E-fighting and E-Fighters cant be bothered with turn fighting.
How many times do you see a 109 outclimbing a p51? how many times do you see a spitfire outturning a p51, how many times do you see a chog out-shoot a p51? Alot i hear you say? Thats cause they fly their planes to their strengths. I fly a mustang, i use its speed card to its most. But how many times do you hear: "damned 109s all they do is outlcimb you when they get in troulbe - ergo all 109s pilots are useless dweebs" or: "damned spudfires, just turn in circles till when they get into trble - ergo, all spit pilots are useless dweebs"?
Anyone get it yet?
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If some of you ever REALLY tried to fly the P-51D exclusively you would REALLY know its strengths and weakness. Some of the comments I see in the BBS show a lack of understanding or just "hot air" from not enough time in the "Cadilac of the Skies!"
Thunder
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YEA and how about them c-47s, they wont turn fight ya either!, all they do is run and drop crap on OUR fields, stupid stupid "rungoon" dweebs.
some people just want to cry when you dont hand yer bellybutton to them on a plate, You gonna try me im gonna try to get you, i will run dive, blow in yer ear, anything I can do to put you in my sights, if you dont like it...tell yer mommie (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
BTW I fly "runstang" aswell.
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
"Spawn points at 20k"
seen it in H2H maps, some of the most godawful un-creative maps ever, i think you will get more out of this game if you play it like Chess and less like Quake.
BTW, when Quake came out i was one of the highest ranking players in our local area, and had a "clan" but I dont play AH like I did quake. nad its funner that way...actually if you want to play AH like ANY FPS, play it like You would play Rogue Spear.
TheWobble, you do understand my reply was meant to be sardonic and sarcastic.
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i know Jim, I was just picking up on what ya said..
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
i know Jim, I was just picking up on what ya said..[/QUOTE
LOL! <S> Wobble. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I've seen people do a 180 on here before. Actually I think it's a bit like Monopoly. We acquire realestate thru hostile take over. Very much keeping with the times. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 02-11-2001).]
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I enjoy reading the boards from time to time. The discussions never change (lol).
Sometimes ya need to take a break from the game to cool off, I know I have before. Bottom line if you are paying like me do whatever flying or dweebing tactics you want to. The disagreements are so broad here it proves this game offers something for everyone. Some nites I fly like a handsomehunk quaker but most the time I would be called a runstang dweeb, agian to each his own. The only thing that I despise are the alleged limp dick, insecure gotta hack to win morons that are out there, oh again to each his own stick with the game it is a safe addiction.
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well... leaving mustangs out of the equation... the truth is that AH players are some of the most timid I have ever seen. Way too many never engage unless they have a distinct advantage and then run the second they lose it. Gutless and unrealistic. Plus... they will limit their ability to learn. I know several pilots who try to appear at a disadvantage simply to get a fight. they are glad to have the alt disadvantage feeling that the guy has to come down to kill em. Still... It's frustrating when someone is so timid that they spend 5 minutes making "smart" attack on you from an advantage and then bug out the second you are at co E or better.
I think we all have more respect for the pilot who gives a good account of himself and dies than the one with the high K/D ratio that never engages except in absolute safety...
surely we could put up with a couple of these girly men but AH seems to be rife with em lately. Something is making people behave this way... It needs to be adjusted.
lazs
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I don't know where you guys have been playing but if you want the "Furball 'O' Matic" it is on here. What the are you guys talking about really. Every time someone tries to take a base there is a fur ball over it. Sometime BIG BIG ones with no way of avoiding a fight. It sounds like what you don't like is not having the advantage and having the guy get away. Oh no that's terrible. If your talking about individual encounters one on one then that's life on AH sorry. Go up at that field that's getting attacked and jump into the middle of it. I really like to see a guy fly a plane to it's fullest even if that means he wins or gets away. I salute them. Great fight. You flew your plane smart and well. Anyone that has fought me can tell you I'm not afraid of getting into the middle of it. Just ask Weave, BUG322, Sundog or any number of others. But I tell you what I will try to get the BIGGEST advantage I can before I start. I don't like getting shot down I like to win. The thing that drives me into a disadvantage dogfight usually is boredom. I get tired of waiting for the advantage and say screw it. Some people don't. Oh Well!
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