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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: hawk220 on May 24, 2002, 12:08:25 PM
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......and have had it blowing in the wind since 9/11....and its all tattered and ripped and dirty and 1/2 is left.. or put up a flag outside your home/apartment and not thought about it in months..I see this every day ..filthy flags, torn flags, 1/2 disintegrated flags on your pickup trucks and such...are you the same people that would like the Amendment to prohibit US flag burning? don't you think you are showing the same disrespect by your treatment of the flag on your car/home?
any thoughts?
Hawk220
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If that isn't bad enough Hawk?! The amazinhunk neighbor across the street finally took down a 4'x8' flag from HIS GUTTER!!!! It was wadded up and stained. I asked him "to stop pissing on the flag like that and take it down". He took it down.
What cracks me up was the "bandwagon patriotism" that ensued. I could replace my old flag for like two months after that happened. Mine was slightly frayed and I wouldn't fly it. I loved my country NO LESS before, and NO LESS after.
Masher
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yes, a guy down the street had his blown up into his gutter and instead of taking it down after a Seattle downpour, he just pulled it out of the gutter and let it hang again.. dirt/mud/leaves and all...made me so angry...oh..and another symptom of this...the local dry cleaner put up on their readerboard that they would clean..for free..US flags.. what the hell is that? there are established traditions and rules what to do with a soiled US flag. I mean, WTF? taking a flag to the cleaners like it was a sport coat?
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my decal is alittle faded, should I replace it? :rolleyes:
I'd rather see a torn US flag than no flag at all
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Originally posted by hawk220
......and have had it blowing in the wind since 9/11....and its all tattered and ripped and dirty and 1/2 is left.. or put up a flag outside your home/apartment and not thought about it in months..I see this every day ..filthy flags, torn flags, 1/2 disintegrated flags on your pickup trucks and such...are you the same people that would like the Amendment to prohibit US flag burning? don't you think you are showing the same disrespect by your treatment of the flag on your car/home?
any thoughts?
Hawk220
What's also ironic is how many of those flags were made in China.
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I got a flag in my crackerjacks yesterday :)
I don't have one on or in my car but I printed one and put it up in my cube on 9-12 and it's been there ever since, and it hasn't faded :)
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I use a Decal in the rear window of my F-150. I've been a sailor most of my life and I knew what would happen to those flags.
I'm not judging the people who fly them. They will learn from experience as we all do.
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my personal count of flags seen in ditches and curbs is 6.
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Dirty worn-out flags seem about right for a country that doesn't even raise an eyebrow when SEAL turned Pro-Wrestler turned Politician Jessie the fek-head Ventura equates a simple requirement to have schoolchildren say the pledge of allegiance to it once a week the same as Nazi and Taliban indoctrination and refused to sign a bill to enact it.
Oh, and the line about the flags being made in China... priceless.
Lonz
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I don't, and never have.
That isn't how I show my patriotism. I show mine by voting, educating myself on what is happening and my actions. I will be critical of my country when I think it is making a mistake, and I will defend it when I think it is under unjust verbal attack.
I don't see rubber stamp, "me too", herd mentality as a desirable thing in a free society.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I don't, and never have.
That isn't how I show my patriotism. I show mine by voting, educating myself on what is happening and my actions. I will be critical of my country when I think it is making a mistake, and I will defend it when I think it is under unjust verbal attack.
I don't see rubber stamp, "me too", herd mentality as a desirable thing in a free society.
Typical closet USA hating SF liberal (Im giving you a break as Marin is even worse!) answer to the patriot question.
Thanks Karnak..... :(
Unjust verbal attack, gotta love that. So when those verbs and nouns and prepositions start landing on our shores or hurting our interests abroad we know who to call......
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Typical closet USA hating SF liberal (Im giving you a break as Marin is even worse!) answer to the patriot question.
Thanks Karnak.....
Unjust verbal attack, gotta love that. So when those verbs and nouns and prepositions start landing on our shores or hurting our interests abroad we know who to call......
Let the witch hunt begin... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I know what's coming...... :rolleyes:
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GRUNHERZ,
I'm sorry you're so dense, but I was talking about the things I've actually encountered, and done, in my life.
This is quite different from the fantasy world you seem to live in where you have to be ready to grab an M-16 at any moment to be ready to fight off the invading hordes of terrorists that are just waiting for the right moment.:rolleyes:
Should my nation actually be in a fight for survival, I'll join up in a heartbeat. Contrary to what the politicos may be saying, we aren't in a fight for our nation's survival right now.
I will fight to the death to ensure you have the right to be a vocal, bigoted ass. Fortunately I don't have to right now.
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But Karnak just read what you wrote man, please, it's just such a stereotypically liberal response to that particular question.
Don't you see how funny that is? Can't you laugh at that a little a bit? Just laugh at yourself a bit, dont take yourself so seriously. :)
On a less funny note though.
Frankly I resent that you use the term "sandcupcake" in response and reference to my post. I dont go around blasting such derogatory and crude terms and insults to any ethnic group of people on this BBS. And very specifically have never advocated "getting all the arabs" in response to 911. Well I did want Afghanistan wiped out on the morning of 911 but that was just an emotional overeaction felt by most I suppose. So please dont paint me as some sort of racist or some other wild liberal racist fantasy you have about me.
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Very well GRUNHERZ, I have removed the offending word.
And no, the sterotypical liberal response would be to try to get in touch with the feelings of the terrorists. I think that's stupid.
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Its been flyin on the house since we moved to the place we live now. Which I cannot disclose. As for the car. It's a flag magnet.:D
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I don't mind a worn flag cuz no one and nothing is perfect
However when people completely disregard their colors and let them get dirty, thats frustrating. There's a difference between a flag torn and tattered and one covered in mud.
I have a feeling that the stars and stripes francis scott key wrote about weren't exacly in the best of shape either too.
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// warning eurocitizen though
waving a flag don't make you a better citizen than the one actually doing something for his country but without flag...
Your action count , not your "agitation"
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Americans take their flag a bit more seriously than the rest of us Straffo.
I learned this first hand when I was asked to retrive the flag from the school flag pole when I was in the US for a year. By mistake I let a corner of it drag along the ground.
The reaction I was was swift and severe. I will never make the same mistake twice.
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Originally posted by Curval
Americans take their flag a bit more seriously than the rest of us Straffo.
I learned this first hand when I was asked to retrive the flag from the school flag pole when I was in the US for a year. By mistake I let a corner of it drag along the ground.
The reaction I got was swift and severe. I will never make the same mistake twice.
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I know it Curval since I'm hunting this BBS for almost 3 year now ;)
But I'm pretty sure that some have flag without conviction :(
For exemple I proud of my own french flag but as it has been throwed into mud (correct french word = désacralisé) by some right wing extremist I won't wave it.
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Originally posted by DmdBT
Dirty worn-out flags seem about right for a country that doesn't even raise an eyebrow when SEAL turned Pro-Wrestler turned Politician Jessie the fek-head Ventura equates a simple requirement to have schoolchildren say the pledge of allegiance to it once a week the same as Nazi and Taliban indoctrination and refused to sign a bill to enact it.
Lonz
So, then what would be the penalty for them not saying the pledge of allegiance if the bill was signed into law?
SOB
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i like the idea of those little commie bastards serving us...hehe...even if it is only in simple ways like making our flag decals, etc....and....the chinese buffett down the street is cool too.
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The difference is one is showing support for the USA while the other isn't.
You can nitpick all you want but I was happy to see all the flags flying around.
I was/am pleased to see the support for our country and not a lot of limp wristed liberals screaming we brought 9/11 on ourselfs.
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Originally posted by SOB
So, then what would be the penalty for them not saying the pledge of allegiance if the bill was signed into law?
SOB
I have no idea what "penalty" if any would/could be enacted. The fact that he can rationalize in his head that simply requiring kids to say the pledge ONE time a week makes us Nazis or Terrorists sickens me and thats why I posted it.
Lonz...
who grew up in a time when the pledge was said on a daily basis and actually contained the words "under God" :eek:
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... which were added in the 1950s to distinguish the US from god-hating regimes such as the Soviet Union.
And to answer the question: no I don't. I carry love of country on my heart, not my car. And I consider it the duty of every citizen to evaluate critically the actions of the republic, and to participate in the government of the country. I will not wave the flag and waive democracy.
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Originally posted by Dinger
... which were added in the 1950s to distinguish the US from god-hating regimes such as the Soviet Union.
And to answer the question: no I don't. I carry love of country on my heart, not my car. And I consider it the duty of every citizen to evaluate critically the actions of the republic, and to participate in the government of the country. I will not wave the flag and waive democracy.
Dinger, great post. Ditto and <>.
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Originally posted by Eagler
my decal is alittle faded, should I replace it? :rolleyes:
I'd rather see a torn US flag than no flag at all
I agree. Any amount of patriotism (considering the last 30yrs) is a step in the right direction in IMO.
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Originally posted by DmdBT
Dirty worn-out flags seem about right for a country that doesn't even raise an eyebrow when SEAL turned Pro-Wrestler turned Politician Jessie the fek-head Ventura equates a simple requirement to have schoolchildren say the pledge of allegiance to it once a week the same as Nazi and Taliban indoctrination and refused to sign a bill to enact it.
Oh, and the line about the flags being made in China... priceless.
Lonz
Jesse was right. One real big problem with the pledge... "One nation under god..." Sorry... 1st Amendment says that toejame don't fly. I haven't said the pledge since grade school.
Oh... and I don't have a flag on my truck. I've never put one on it and I'm not about to.