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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wegaman on February 09, 2001, 07:01:00 AM
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I am knit and i notice this all the time:
We will have 20 people or so attacking a base. There will be big green bars at the enemy base, with an almost equal red bar. When i flew over the base in my b26, i noticed there was nobody attacking the base, just some of our guys getting killed by 10 fighters. I then hear "We need more bobmers at blah blah."
I get so pissed off when people think they can capture attack a base by
A. Sending fighters over with ordinanace
B. More fighters
C. More fighters
And on top of that, we were sending those 20 people like 2 at a time, and they were always raped by the lone 10 defenders at the base. If we want to take a base, why can't we do this
A. Organise a strike
B. Send bobmers over ahead of fighters so masses of fighters cannot up.
C. Then send jabo's over
D. Goon it.
If u send 5-7 b17's to a base, no matter what size, u can sure as hell knock out FH's, maybe get VH. Why do people insist on sending 2 fighters at a time?
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Why don't you organize a strike.
Why don't you direct people what plane and ordinance to fly.
Why don't you try to take a base without fighters suppressing those 10 defenders.
Why don't you try to drop goons on a field full of ack.
Why don't you try to fly that bomber over a field where the CAP isn't pulled low, or drawn away.
In short, no matter how anyone plays someone has just got to come along and tell them how they are doing it wrong.
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i think that for all fiealds u can have just:
1) 5 jabo planes (p47;f4u;p38)
2) 5 light fighter cover
3) 2 goon`s (c47 or m3)
if atack is done corect and coordination is corect there is no weay to defend fieald under atack like that.
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"In short, no matter how anyone plays someone has just got to come along and tell them how they are doing it wrong."
Amen, Brother Kieren!
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a free tip: vulching a fighter is a LOT easier than killing the SHI** loads of osties that are going to up if you destroy the FHs and NOT the VH first ...
DW6
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" I then hear "We need more bobmers at blah blah." "
It's this simple. Soon you will learn who to trust from those who have tourettes. Some folks know wtf they are talking about, they have some semblence of SA, while others you'll notice plain old haven't a clue.
-Westy
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Wegaman,
Its easy. Its a damned-if-you-do and damned-if-you-dont situation.
A couple of months ago, it seemed every night, Knights would duke it out for A5. As a bomber guy, I'd manage to get in there, but raped badly by the fighters there. We'd hear folks yell for more fighters, but then we'd also get the all too famous "We're about to loose <this base>" and half our forces would run there. Or....
1. If you ask people to join in, they wouldn't do it in sizable numbers, as you mentioned.
2. If you did try to organize a mission, many wouldn't join. Don't know why, just know they wouldnt
Been there, done that.
Don't get me wrong, if memory seves I managed to get 2 other bombers and 2 fighters to walk us into a5 and level it. We just couldnt get a gooney there...the poor guy was always shot outta the sky by that mass of defending fighters.
Its frustrating when you are SOOO close to taking a base and keep winding up trying to regroup.
Then again, I've been on some teams that have everything timed right. I've seen missions of 30 people steamrollers base after base in an evening. Now THAT'S a lot of fun. Only problem is being the last guy in the formation/attack....like being last in line at the buffet! hehehe
Paul
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I think it's funny when 20 friendly dots are trying to take A1 while we are being smashed on both fronts; and those 20 keep saying "The base is down get a goon" and "A1 will be ours in 10 minutes".........and 1.5 hours later it is finally captured, after we've lost 10 other bases.
Fury
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On a related note,
When you're pushing for a reset, and there are a dedicated few people on your side wasting their time on unimportant *cough* knight* *cough* fields, it's incredibly frustrating.
While we were trying to capture the ever-important A16 at about 3am this morning, one guy said to me something to the likes of "Why are you trying to reset bish - we lose fields if we reset" and argued his point for 30 min on country chan. While yes, we do lose our fields, the guy wouldn't understand the point of winning the war and getting bragging rights. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) And on Hangtime's joint squad night, too!
Another pilot (who supposedly squelched me) criticized our every move on the bishop home island as pointless.
After we had successfully captured 16 and moved on to 17, I noticed above pilot participating in the raid and vulching the field. Kind of makes winning the war sad when you have 15 guys working on the same goal and 2 or 3 others act loud and obnoxious.
<S> to all the rooks who burned the midnight oil to finish what we started.
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Only thing i got to say is, if its getting u upset, its time to take a break.
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Kronos
CO No. 272 Squadron "Whispering Death"
---> http://members.home.net/wchiasson/no272/ (http://members.home.net/wchiasson/no272/)
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I'd have to agree I don't like holding any country to the minimum of resources just so we can "own". Fortunately I don't need the permission of anyone to grab a goon and take a field. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I was on for a bit last night but left in disgust as the majority of the Rooks on at that time didn't want to reset.
I know I know everyone fly how and what you want but yeesh! The Bish were down to 3 bases and our guys wouldn't closeh em cause we didn't have enough bases to win. All they wanted to do was vulch em.
Then to top things off when the Bish got another base the Knights and Bish joined together to fight us.
Real fun!..no..really..had a blast. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
<S> to Bish for staying alive but <finger> to Knights and Rooks for trying to drag it out.
This is directed to the ones that were on the same time I was.
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Mighty -
I was on from 10pm EST - 5am, didn't see ya - but the entire time, we had a large field advantage over the knights. hblair counted em up and we figured we could lose up to 10 bases to the knights before we'd be even.
Most of us weren't trying to drag it out, but lack of organization made flattening a field long enough for a goon to make it in impossible.
That final last-chance jabo run to 16 saved us, I firmly believe. Was about 7 hours overdue though. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Also, the fact that we kept taking your 'lights out' doesn't help much.
Some take the path of least resistance, in the Knights case, early afternoon, that *would* have been Bishland, however, while I was on, most focused on the Northern properties of Rookland, and they defended it extremely well! (Bastiges!) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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As a Knight fighting...group I was flyin with realized we were behind in bases so we laid off the Bish....and didn't want a reset. Started to try & get some quick rook bases. Did have a fun Jabo mission to rook HQ though.
BigGun aka BgMAW
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Sending those 2 flight missions was sneaky of you ripsnort! One heavy fighter to cap the ack, then a c47 to goon! Would have lost the critical main island had we not figured it out sooner!
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Oh, by the way,
It was a tactical mistake to capture p20 from the bishops.
Had you not taken that field, we would have had to go through knit territory to capture it before we could win the war.
That and the capture of 16 were defintely turning points in the battle. Without those two events, we'd have never stood a chance.
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I wasn't responsible for those sectors, and while we were doing some OPS, the numbers were
Bish 76
Rooks 56
Knits 34
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I log on, look for the biggest, ugliest red zit on the face of the map, and take off from the nearest airfield that gives me a reasonable chance to get the wheels up before I get vultched. Beyond that I don't care who I'm fighting.
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You could rent hang from the bish for the low low price of any 3 bases of your choice.
Satisfaction guaranteed or your bases back.
sax***13th tas***
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About cooperation:
If it's one of the regulars, one of the people I respect, one I know can pull it together, I'll happily comply if I got nothing else to do.
if it is one of the
"WE NEED FIGHTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHY u NOT ATTACKIN!!! u UN|337!!!!"
DUDES WHO THINKS ADDING ADDITIONAL "!"'S make hims eem more powerful, I tell that desktop general to go shag a sheep. Those people are bloody annoying.
Often, I'll take eggs, even if no one else is. I know that sooner or later other squaddies will be online, or I or some of the regulars will get their stuff together and do a good coordinated strike.
So it's all about who is setting it up, basically.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up space"
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Right on santa.... this touches on one of the aspects that really ticks people off about 'missions' and 'teamwork'... and thats 'Generals'.
Line 'em up and shoot 'em.. make sure they are right behind the lawyers and politicans, but for godsakes make sure yah shoot the fediddlein 'Generals'.
This is MA.. ain't NOBODY gonna do DICK if yah type "GAWDAMMIT YOU IDIOTS I SAID GO TO HQ!!!" You can shout it at yer cat.. but type that; and yah's dead meat. You will be hauled outta yer bead a 4:00 am and summarily executed by the mob you fly with.. guarenteed.:)
Frankly; I'm with Kieren.. fek all loud mouthed obnoxious aggravating tedious bellyaching piss pot fediddlein idjit of the nth degree twits with pointy fediddlein hats and pencil dicks from fediddlein the bugs on his montior amazinhunk gawdammed loser dipshit numbskulled amazinhunk tryin to tell me how to fediddlein fly my gawdammed $30.00 a fediddlein month airplane...'Generals'.
*WHAM* (alt f4) ..."GENERAL!!, MY ASS"!!!.
Get the picture? In the brutal democracy of the MA; yah ..."COACH"!!! if you want to get things done.. yah don't "GENERAL". Or liz's amish MP's will be by at 4:00 am.. :)
I try to explain the threat; the intended response; a brief desc of the flights target, the composition the strike.. ask for pilots give the start time and field location, ect etc etc. it's hard fediddlein work, too. Yah spend a LOT of your on line time with yer head scrunched over the keyboard; typing poorly and furiously with two fingers whilst you watch the map and textbox developments, keeping a big board strat picture goin while flying is damn near impossibe. Fun in a sick way; but dammed hard.
I figure if nobody else in bishland flying when I'm on is coaching, I'll eyeball the big board fer a bit and start 'spaining what I'm up to, then putting up missions for no other reason than it'll give the guys (like me) who wanna fly more realistic mission profiles than "furball over a1" and it gives those guys an opportunity to group up with others that have a similar intrest.. who wants to die alone attacking a field?
Fly missions. Arrive alive, get kills, go home alive. The day of the singleton and stalking wing pair ain't over, but now there's something ELSE to do. :)
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What Asmo said...
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Moose, I was up 'til 2:00 am (pst)and helped capture A17. After we got it, I never noticed a reset. I thought we needed to take another target. Did it reset after all and how does it do that (I mean, I'm flying over friendly territory 1 minute and the next I'm deep in Knight territory???)
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Wegaman... come on now. I posted a few threads along these same lines a couple weeks ago.
Most people in the MA don't know how to get organized, they don't want to wait for missions to start, thet don't want to be given orders, they don't want to fly a C47, thet don't want to get with a wingman and they won't until they want to.
It is a frustrating thing sometimes. For now I am just living with it.
If you want to capture someplace, you pretty much hve to take it upon yourself to get it done. Otherwise, it isn't going to happen.
I have found if I go and capture a few bases on my own, I usually get help with the 3rd and 4th ones.
Quick and organized wins the fight. Every other way usually results in a long drawn out fight going on for hours with neiter side getting anywhere
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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"
Midnight
13th TAS
"I see you have made your decision. Now let's see you enforce it." -Brandon Lee (The Crow)
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Hang, my brother!
You got it right. Earn the respect of the team, they will follow. No one ever shouted themselves to the front. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Wegeman..."A man will work to feed his family ...but NOT to feed his neigbor"
-Why communism is a failure-
Author unkown
Maybe try forming a squadron or joining one of the many fine existing ones that hold regular organized squad nights.
There are many great pilots flying around at any given time but MY crew are the only ones I EVER count on. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Mars(CO)
The Screamin Meanies
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Ummm i am in a GREAT squad who always organises strikes and such on squad nite.... the 272th!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ya, i hate how there are always half your team defending *coughs* Furballing* *coughs*
ABout the base cap, i think it's all about wether or not the enemy will up.
U send 5 high b17's to a base, people join tower see hihg b17 and say "Forget it, i ain't got time i wanna FURBALLL AYAYAYAA KILL KILLL forget Strategory@!!!"
THey see 4 F4u's taking dives for ack or FH, they will sure as hell up wanting to make a big furball and satisy there need to mindlesslly press the trigger (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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TOO MANY PEOPLE ASK FOR GOONS !!! the MAW brings their own
Wega man ,, Maybe the MAW has a place for you
[This message has been edited by paintmaw (edited 02-09-2001).]
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THey see 4 F4u's taking dives for ack or FH, they will sure as hell up wanting to make a big furball and satisy there need to mindlesslly press the trigger
You just don't get it. Everyone is not here to make your experience better, they are here to enjoy themselves in any manner they see fit.
Try reading my take on this:
"Just as you are about to blow off some stress from the day, you know, you found a number of game opponents, some moron in a B-17 comes over and mindlessly presses his bomb-release button, dropping the hangars. Now you have to move to another base and find more interesting digs."
Now I don't really look at it this way, but your assessment of the MA sure says that about people that don't do your thing. Heck, I don't know why I'm even trying to discuss this. I do know this; the more I read this kind of stuff in the buffer, the far less likely I will ever get involved in an organized mission.
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ya, my point was that b17's dont draw as much as a crowd as say.... p51's all over the place.
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right on kieren.... what is the idea behind these suicide bombers attacking only close fields and ruining the action that has been the source of action and fun for so many? do they simply crave attention no matter what???
Sheesh... do they think anyone appreciates them dropping the fighter hanger at a close field? Or killing the radar... what's the point of that? Mindless unrealistic bombing is ruining peoples fun.
lazs
Ok... maybe that was harsh (true tho) so... Ya wanna win my respect and admiration? Wanna "help" with your bomber? wanna add fun to the game for many? BOMB AND CAPTURE FIELDS THAT ARE CLOSE TO ANOTHER NME FIELD AND THEN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. Give us mindless furballers a place to play.
lazs
[This message has been edited by lazs (edited 02-10-2001).]
[This message has been edited by lazs (edited 02-10-2001).]
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Laz; we REALLY wanna give yer Amish MP's a place to play.. many times I've been on with a bunch of other guys that just wanna furball or do B&Z thru a furballand had some guy come cruise on over the source field in a buff; no thought of coordinated field capture or strat.. just droppin eggs.. and shut down the source of my 'fun'.
For that reason I'll never lead a mission onto the big center island.. as far as I'm concerned; on this map; that damn island is utterly useless strategicly, and other than it's close proximity to a4 and a25 it has no value. Unfortunately; if strikes FROM that center island begin to hit ANY outlying fields off-island; then I move the source field onto my target list; and you can expect to see some hangers popped and fuels and barracks closed down to shut off that attack.
Maybe we can get HTC to lock out captureability and troop deployments from those bases so each country always has one each Vfield and airbase there to furball and have armor battles from. Change arena reset conditions so these fields are excluded from the reset equation.
Sound reasonable??
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
"Turn to kill, not to engage."
Commander 'Willie' Driscoll, USNR
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hang... yes it does sound reasonable. It also would go a long way towards keeping old players and getting new ones. No troops can leave from those fields... they are not a threat. put some canyons near em and make idiotic perk rides not available for several sectors and....
Simple, elegant, fair and..... obvious. I salute u.
lazs
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
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Maybe we can get HTC to lock out captureability and troop deployments from those bases so each country always has one each Vfield and airbase there to furball and have armor battles from. Change arena reset conditions so these fields are excluded from the reset equation.
Sound reasonable??
Sounds like AW's Fighter Town. One atoll with one base per country, dogfighting only. Problem was, some yo-yos insisted on launching bombing raids from there, which led to retaliation, which understandably pissed off the dogfight-only crowd... I'm in favor of a small dogfight-only arena (so I can properly buff without all the whining..) :> )
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Make the center Island Fields indestuctable
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Problem was, some yo-yos insisted on launching bombing raids from there, which led to retaliation..
Occams razor the situation.. since buffs are stategic weapons, disable 'em on the center island.. what place do they have in a dogfight only section of the terrain?
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
"Turn to kill, not to engage."
Commander 'Willie' Driscoll, USNR
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hang... that is the crux of the situation... What point do they have being in a fighter situation indeed? they just want the attention. No fun to go bomb where no one sees em (or gets pissed off). No, dissable em from those fields. fine idea
lazs