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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Central on May 24, 2002, 09:47:33 PM
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Do i see bomber hitting the ends of runways, instead of intended targets??? Why hit 3 or 4 hangers when two ends of the runway would keep planes from upping.
just an observation.
comments - solutions? maybe ht is already anticipating this?
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Will craters interfere with planes? I've never noticed it
What worries me is, Will bombers even be able to kill hangers now? With spread like that, How are you supposed to get 2500lb's to land on a hanger? Will jabos replace bombers for hitting bases, leaving bombers worthless except for strat targets?
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Don't believe so BUT THEY SHOULD!
Beeg
Originally posted by Innominate
Will craters interfere with planes? I've never noticed it
What worries me is, Will bombers even be able to kill hangers now? With spread like that, How are you supposed to get 2500lb's to land on a hanger? Will jabos replace bombers for hitting bases, leaving bombers worthless except for strat targets?
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If bombers are changed to represent the WW11 Reality
then obviously the rest of the Modeling will have to be also
At first it will be a fun novelty. But in 2 months Most Bomber pilots in AH will be sickened and either Start learning JABO or go to a different game all together. Thats what i think might happen :( < S > MugZ............OUT
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No actuelly I think bombers will be more effective against feilds, with 3 bombers in formation and random bomb drifts it they will completely whipe out a large area. but you won't be able to "Laser Pinpoint" the bombs like now, which was not how they did it in reality. I'm really looking forward to the new bomber changes :) and cant wait to try em out!
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Originally posted by Central
Do i see bomber hitting the ends of runways, instead of intended targets??? Why hit 3 or 4 hangers when two ends of the runway would keep planes from upping.
just an pathetic little whine.
comments - solutions? maybe ht is already anticipating this?
Shut up Central. Go and make more babies or somethin'.
SOB
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How are you supposed to get 2500lb's to land on a hanger?
No offense, but these questions always amaze me.
All the parameters you are talking about can be modified. Which means HiTech can adjust the field setting to take roughly the same amount of damage from an equally skilled pilot in our current version, or he can make it easier, or harder, etc.
Im quite confidant that he can make a single 30 cal bullet destroy a hanger if he wanted to, or require 10000 pounds of ordinance to destroy it... It's good to be the King...
The point is that HiTech will look at play balance (IS looking at play balance now most likely) and will make these adjustments accordingly to reflect how he and his team feel play should be balanced in the arena.
Have faith, they've done a pretty damn good job so far.
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Originally posted by MugZ
If bombers are changed to represent the WW11 Reality
then obviously the rest of the Modeling will have to be also
At first it will be a fun novelty. But in 2 months Most Bomber pilots in AH will be sickened and either Start learning JABO or go to a different game all together. Thats what i think might happen :( < S > MugZ............OUT
Repeat. LOL
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The real benifits of the new system are many and wonderful! No longer will a lone enemy fighter be able to stop a bombing raid with a single kamakazi pass through a bomber. No more will a fighter be able to destroy one gun, and make the bomber all but defensless. Never again will I be able to take a JU-88 to 10-20k and pinpoint kill all the acks on a field and any flacks I see. Gone are the days of the Jabo carrying more ord than a bomber, but here come the days when JABO is NEEDED for precision attack.....WAHHHOOOOO!!!!
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Originally posted by 2Late4U
The real benifits of the new system are many and wonderful! No longer will a lone enemy fighter be able to stop a bombing raid with a single kamakazi pass through a bomber. No more will a fighter be able to destroy one gun, and make the bomber all but defensless. Never again will I be able to take a JU-88 to 10-20k and pinpoint kill all the acks on a field and any flacks I see. Gone are the days of the Jabo carrying more ord than a bomber, but here come the days when JABO is NEEDED for precision attack.....WAHHHOOOOO!!!!
True enough. But with the Formation Broken. Or 2 of the 3 in the formation destroyed. The last Bomber left might as well Auger. With Bomb accuracy impeaded, the drop will probably be ineffective.
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Originally posted by Fester
The point is that HiTech will look at play balance (IS looking at play balance now most likely) and will make these adjustments accordingly to reflect how he and his team feel play should be balanced in the arena.
Have faith, they've done a pretty damn good job so far.
Fester is absolutely spot on.
It's just HT doesnt generally tell us what he's planning, nothing wrong with that, so some people assume he hasnt thought about it and feel the urge to point it out. Nothin wrong with that either. It's how you point it out that either makes it a whine or an intelligent suggestion.
Swoop
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Swoop.
So which of the replies would you consider a Whine?
Im simply pointing out the fact that i know 18 Pilots in AH that ONLY fly Bombers. i truely belive Most of them will not like the new sys. :(. And they will leave.
Up intill Pyro's latest News most of them were looking forward to the new Bomber sys. But with the bombsite operation discribed and the over all bomber formation sys. explained. I have many E-Mails of Negitive response. :( Hope it all works out.
Well........... I hope we can work out the details in short order after the new sys, is implimented anyways.
Here is the bottom line. Buff pilots dont care if they fly 40 bombers or 1. as long as the results are the same if they manage to get to target. :)
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Originally posted by MugZ
Im simply pointing out the fact that i know 18 Pilots in AH that ONLY fly Bombers. i truely belive Most of them will not like the new sys. :(. And they will leave.
Oh dear, Mugz, what a black picture you paint! Only 18 pilots who only fly bombers? I thought there were a lot more than that! As one of them, I am looking forward to this development. If I don't like it, where am I going to go? No way will I go to Warbirds and definitely not Fighter Aces.... so what's left? I love AH anyway, and it would take a lot more than that to put me off flying here! :rolleyes: I am willing to at least give the new system a try, and I am sure most other bomber pilots will feel the same way.Up intill Pyro's latest News most of them were looking forward to the new Bomber sys. But with the bombsite operation discribed and the over all bomber formation sys. explained. I have many E-Mails of Negitive response.
Now that to me is the most challenging aspect I am looking forward to! This has been one part of bombing which I have always found to be extremely easy, even from high altitude, and when I first came to AH, I thought at first that it was going to be a little more complicated here; but I soon found that once I got used to the slightly different way of looking through the bombsight it was pretty much the same as I was used to. This new method sounds really interesting and exciting, and I am really looking forward to trying it and getting used to it. No doubt I will be a dismal failure to start with, but I hope that in time I will gain more experience and become more skilled at hitting the targets. I will certainly get more satisfaction from a successful drop if I know it is more through skill rather than good luck.... :D
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I say. I personaly Know 18 very well. They fly bombers ONLY. They cant and wont fly fighters. LOL
So they are very dedicated bomber pilots.
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Myself and my squad look forward to the new changes. I've flown bombers in online sims for years starting about 6 years ago in Warbirds and always wished for an update to the bomber systems to make them more realistic. I relish the challenge of learning the new bomber systems and using them to their full potential. We have to trust HTC to weigh up all the options and make the changes to the way targets are destroyed and the way the bombers will work to make it as realistic as possible. I think its a little over the top to try and say that the last remaining bomber of the flight may as well auger if the other drones die because that bomber will still have ordnance to do some damage if he takes the time to line up and calibrate properly.
Lets see how this turns out, give the new systems some time and see if anything needs tweaking one way or another but at the moment its pointless specualtion. I believe anyone serious about bombing will relish the new changes as much as I do and will not leave. Where would they go? Warbirds? Fighter Ace? those sims still use the same arcade like bombsight system, if you're truly serious about bombing then Aces High v1.10 will be the place to do it.
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<<>> -Pyro
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Originally posted by MugZ
Swoop.
So which of the replies would you consider a Whine?
Not saying any of the above is a whine. Merely stating a a fact.
And I know....um.....3 pilots who only fly bombers......but plenty more who fly bombers and fighters (I'm one of em). I, for one, am looking forward to the new bombing system. A realistic norden bombsight is something I've been missing in this game for a long time, even forced me to go back and play B17-II for a little while not so long ago.
I expect the new buffing system will encourage me and many others to join up with their buff only friends and run large formations all over the map.......at least for a while until the novelty wears off.
Now I ask you a question. Of all the 18 pilots you know who only fly bombers, what do they enjoy more........bomber flights of large formations with bandits attacking (ie, excitement) or the laser guided field porking ability they have now (ie, unrealistic bollocks - sorry HT ;)).
Ever played B17-II? If you enjoy flying bombers then you really should......
Swoop
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Central I think you confuse AH with WB where bombing a spawnpoint created a kill automatic which destroyed any spawning planes instantly - just because the crater was on the spawnpoint.
I wouldn't want this feature to AH since it's about as unrealistic as forced spawnpoints in general.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Central I think you confuse AH with WB where bombing a spawnpoint created a kill automatic which destroyed any spawning planes instantly - just because the crater was on the spawnpoint.
Was thinking more along the lines of... rolling down the field hitting a lone crater and it taking out my gear. Can only imagine what 32 craters at each end of a runway would do.:D
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Can only imagine what 32 craters at each end of a runway would do
Probably something quite historical like stop the runway being used
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runway cratering will likely not be added to AH +)
Bet would pee off lasz something fierce... oh and the rest of the arena...
SKurj
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Originally posted by Flossy
Now that to me is the most challenging aspect I am looking forward to! This has been one part of bombing which I have always found to be extremely easy, even from high altitude, and when I first came to AH, I thought at first that it was going to be a little more complicated here; but I soon found that once I got used to the slightly different way of looking through the bombsight it was pretty much the same as I was used to. This new method sounds really interesting and exciting, and I am really looking forward to trying it and getting used to it. No doubt I will be a dismal failure to start with, but I hope that in time I will gain more experience and become more skilled at hitting the targets. I will certainly get more satisfaction from a successful drop if I know it is more through skill rather than good luck.... :D
I will certainly get more satisfaction from a successful drop if I know it is more through skill rather than good luck....
Oh maybe im mistaken. The way i read the new bomber sys. It will be more Luck to hit the targets with the "Random Bomb Drift" Modeled in. "Random" seems to indicate that the drift will be unpredictable.
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runway cratering will likely not be added to AH +)
Bet would pee off lasz something fierce... oh and the rest of the arena...
Skurj>They can't have it all ways, fact is bombers were used for denying the enemy use of their airfields so either the hangars need destroying or craters have an effect on planes trying to take off.
Mugz> I think you're maybe being a little pessimistic, lets put a bit of trust in HTC to make these new systems fair to all. Let's see what v1.10 turns out like before decrying the skies are falling in.
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Originally posted by MugZ
I will certainly get more satisfaction from a successful drop if I know it is more through skill rather than good luck....
Oh maybe im mistaken. The way i read the new bomber sys. It will be more Luck to hit the targets with the "Random Bomb Drift" Modeled in. "Random" seems to indicate that the drift will be unpredictable.
I think you mistunderstand me, Mugz. I realise there will be some randomness with bomb-drift, but I do think a lot will also depend on the skill of the pilot in setting up the bombsight. Pyro mentioned that the length of time taken in the setting up procedure would increase the accuracy, so I think that will have a great bearing on the results. By a "successful drop", I don't mean completely wiping out a field - I mean hitting some targets.... :D
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Originally posted by Revvin
Probably something quite historical like stop the runway being used
Exactly my point revvin... Why bother hitting 4 fh, 3 bh, all fuel-ammo-barracks targets when hitting the ends of the runway in one simple run will plainly do the job. ;)
edit: spelling
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its too easy to crater a runway and make it useless revvin is my point.
Any jabo could then shutdown the runways.
In reality some fields were so huge and wide permitting planes to take off in any direction they wished...
The runways in AH would be much easier shutdown...
SKurj
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While this might work on smaller fields it will certainly take more than one run and more than one flight of three bombers to stop activity at a medium or large field so I don't see it being a problem. Craters should have an effect on taxiing planes but that's a concession to gameplay that they don't because of spawning points although in AH you can spawn and taxi from the hangar.
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Something else to consider. In real war there were entire squadrons who's only mission was to intercept and bust up and or destroy those massive bomber formations. Keeping them from destroying those Airstrips and rendering them useless. AH has very few pilots who are willing to jump a single bomber much less a whole formation of them. With the exception of Skurj who claims he shot down 3 or 5 bombers in 1 mission and got 3 others smoking. LOL Skurj must be one of those bullett pruff players. hehehe
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Part of the problem naturally is that often buffs 'sneak' in the fight after fighters have made protectors busy lower in the air..
Then when people realise buffs are at 24k and porking the field, nobody has time anymore to set up a proper attack and everyone just makes suicide runs on them.
The time required to intercept a 24k b17 in any plane is so long that by the time you get to position he has droped his whole load.
Nevertheless if bomber gunners could be disabled with a couple .50 hits like field gunners for example, buff killing would rise to a realistic level. As it is now you can't kill buff gunners with .50. I witnessed this recently in lanc. First mission I was attacked by a n1k, most of my gunners were instantly disabled. Same happened on second with a spit...
Next sortie I was attacked by a f6f who bounced me. He totally plastered my lancaster with .50 making it smoke and lose rudder etc. I saw direct hits coming to the tailgunner position - yet I was able to continue shooting with _all_ guns right untill the moment the whole tail fell off the plane and that was good 5-6 seconds of continuous fire from the f6f.
The f6f took about 2 seconds of (hit) continuous fire but lanc tailgun seems totally ineffective against f6f. Other planes seem to drop easily at 1k and closer.