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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: HeLLcAt on May 25, 2002, 12:09:38 AM
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This was one of the best TOD I've ever been in or seen. There were the greatest fights I've ever seen. Everyone was trying their hardest and knew that if they failed, it was all over. The RAF really defended there homeland, but the LW hit London VERY hard. This is going to come down to the wire.
~BlueiceJ~
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my new wall paper....
(http://member.nifty.ne.jp/flying_dutchman/aces/tod_BoB_Frame0303.jpg)
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Yes it pretty much does in the myth that somehow early war stuff is "boring" or less challenging, ect.
TOD most fun I have had in AH, awesome. One life per frame is the only way to get a real white knuckle experience.
Regards.
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to Wotan, and the LW. I think that your kung fu was stronger than mine. We might have pulled out a marginal victory (up to the bean counters I guess) but you're plan was creative and masterful.
I hope that I was able to understand it in time, but we will see. I desinged a defense around a two tiered attack. 109s first, followed by 110s and Ju-88s. I was mistaken. You sent the 109s as expected, but they were followed by 110s alone, and not Ju-88s. I tried to avoid combat with the 109s, although you wiped out all but two of my scouts. I had assumed (wrongly) that the wave that Devi33rd and I spotted would be the Ju-88s. Instead they were 110s, and as I was reporting the position of the raid (erroniously as Ju-88s) I was killed (Devi gave me a "check 5"... 5 because it was too little too late). I hope we kept enough fighters back to keep you guys from getting good strikes on A16, and any other strategic targets.
But what was masterfullto me, and tell me that I'm wrong, was how you set up a corridore over A14. You capped that area with your 109s, then dispatched your buffs over the area at alt, then divided them between the targets. I tried to keep my guys from engaging you over 14 (and lost my own squad in the attempt btw) and even then, it allowed you to stage from there. Was this your intent all along, or simply the fortunes of war?
It was a well met engagement, and I want to thank all who participated. I would like to send special thanks to all those who watched the 109s but did not engage (Especially the 332rd flying Mongrols who watched the first 45 minutes go by without contact) and to the two "Fighting Scout" units (the 56th FG and Shillelagh) who were masacred by the 109s in a successfull attempt to find the second wave. Thanks also to the Nightmares who defended our strategic insterest, and the AK's and 512th who covered London. Everyone did as well and possible, and better than I could have hoped.
-Sikboy
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well here ya go you tell me if ya figured it out
Frame 3 orders (http://personal.jax.bellsouth.net/jax/t/y/tyr88/BoB3/)
By the way most of the initial 109 sweep ran out of gas just short of the french coast.
The 110 were escorts for the 88s but the 88 flight leaders had full control as to how to position them.
I'll fill in the gaps tomorrow. Was best one yet S! all.
Nice job on your 1st tod sik.
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
my new wall paper....
Very nice, FD! Looks like it was a very good, intense frame - glad it all went well... :)
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Was a fun frame, I had to leave after 1hr 20mins but I killed 3 of those yellow nosed bast.... errr 109s :) before I landed and exited successfully.
In total the 412th killed about 10 109s and a couple of 110s with our Hurri 1's.
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Here is a screeny, both of these 109s went down (eventually!), those .303s take a loooooooooooong time to bring a plane down!
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Rogue Squadron
USArmy
Dux
Blazze
Sandog
Yukon
Headed out from A7 to CAP A14 in our Bf-109Es, met some sparse resistance there in the form of Hurricanes, Sandog shot one of them down. We all disengaged at an opportune moment and headed back to base for fuel. Let me tell you... A14 => A7 is the wiiiiidest part of the Channel, and we were sweating the whole way. We shut down engines and glided for at least a third of the flight (luckily we had some altitude left. Yukon, USArmy, and I scraped in on vapors (literally coasting onto the refuel pads), Sandog and Blazze not so fortunate.
Sortie 2: Three of us head back to our patrol area, and the skies seem even quieter now. Eventually we meet up with some Spits and engage... Army finishes off a Spit that I started smoking, and I return the favor for him. In the fight, Army takes a bullet in the engine and heads for home. Yukon and I get a chance to disengage, and form up with Army, whose engine quits soon after, causing a ditch and capture. Yukon and I once again get grey hairs worrying about fuel status, and once again we land with mere seconds worth of fuel left.
Sortie 3: Rinse, repeat... we engage a few lingering Hurricanes back over our patrol area, turnfight ensues, and... well, you know what eventually happens when you turnfight 109s against Hurris; you die. Which we did, but only after Yukon gets a confirmed and a possible assist or two (his score was 1.80)
Tally: 4 confirmed, possible assists, 3 ditched and captured, 2 KIA.
This TOD stands out as the most fun I've had in a TOD yet (they've all been fun). I think it has something to do with a very evenly matched planeset, etc. Most TODs I've done before were almost always guaranteed suicide missions, often getting killed before ever getting near objectives.
TOD CMs!
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This was the best one for me by far. I actually finished it alive. :) The second sortie, I tried to stay with the 88's and only engaged when necessary. On egress, I almost bought it when we were jumped by the Hurricanes at A14. Over the water I turned back to engage, dove down, compressed and with trim full up, I blacked out. When I came out of blackout, I was in the middle of three Hurricanes, two smoking and one very much alive. Fortunately, I still had enough speed to climb out and get home. I was the last bird up and everyone waiting to watch me land. Talk about pressure for a smooth landing. Great fun was had by all,
to everyone.
Hawg
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Well as usual I was floundering around trying to TYPE and LOOK and FLY All at the same time !
Had calls of Hurries in the 88's so I vectored over to try to help ( Go figure I had gotton SEPERATED - AGAIN ! )
Got some pings on some hurris but I just tried to stay close to some 88's as we keep moving N to the target.
More Hurris showed up and I think I pinged another then got pinged myself.
I looked at at the MAP and noticed I was NORTH of London ! with no real help ( Oh there were other LW but no DAMNED Around ! ). So I dediced to hit the deck and extend on home.
Hear some pings - look around and no enemy planes - but FIELD ACK is shooting at me - flew right over V45 ?
Evaded that mess and decided to head EAST to the sea and try to sneak / limp home.
The accumlated damaged had hit the OIL in #1 engine and my right rudder was damaged. Finaly # 1 quit on me so I was on just 1 engine and LOTS of rudder !
I keep seeing this dot trailing me but never got a confirmed call as to RAF or LW - good thing he did not try to close and ID me either way !
Long story short - I skirted N then E of A12 and landed ok at A10 !
THANKS to all who showed up !
Mike "DmdJordi" Bowman
DAMNED TOD CO
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Great screen shot Fdutchman, do you mind if I use it for a screensaver too
Matelot
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FDB's were in 109's on a 8 plane fighter sweep misson.. encountered 10 hurri's south of london.. destroyed all. We lost Exile in a midair on the first merge at 25k.
Combat lasted about 5 min and the hurri's were intent on taking the figh low; so we obliged them. Great teamwork and excellent comms.. we stayed together and sliced the hurris to ribbons without any further combat losses.
Unfortunately, fuel was a big problem.. we all wound up outta gas and ditched, some within sight of the field. I managed to make the runway on the glide, but busted the gear off in a ground loop.. and sat there cursing steadily (while the FDB's watching from the tower laffed their tulips off) fer about 10 minutes before exiting.
gawdamned miserable spindly-legged cruddy gay-ray willy messersmidt studmuffingy turd colored POS fuher fart bag POS airplane...
:)
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My only regret is I forgot to turn on the film viewer again! I was so excited when I saw the Ju88s that I went in immediately and didn't have it on. It's a shame too, I made some very good passes on one that would have looked great in the film viewer! :(
I'll let Swagger give the 332nd AAR, he was flight lead for the night. :)
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Originally posted by Flossy
Very nice, FD! Looks like it was a very good, intense frame - glad it all went well... :)
Glad you like it Flossy. Yes, it was intense, kinda frustrated that the gunner got me radiator on first pass which took me out of the fight... only after I shot the poor guy out of the sky though... I was wishing so bad that the mechanics at the re-arm pad would patch the hole so I could continue flying...
Originally posted by dixonaw
Great screen shot Fdutchman, do you mind if I use it for a screensaver too
Matelot
Glad you like it too matelot! Go Ahead take it
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
Glad you like it Flossy. Yes, it was intense, kinda frustrated that the gunner got me radiator on first pass which took me out of the fight... only after I shot the poor guy out of the sky though... I was wishing so bad that the mechanics at the re-arm pad would patch the hole so I could continue flying...
LOL, yeah, that must have been frustrating - at least you made him pay.... :D Yeah, it's unfortunate and frustrating when you are still "alive" but can't continue because of a broken plane.... that's where I think "one life" is a bit misleading.... :)
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OK, the above was more of a CO AAR, and was a drunken late night post. Here's the AAR for the Shills
We took off from the Chateau feild at A-14... very cool. WTG guys. A14 was the only field we had along the coast, so the flight of Hurri's that came out of there were meant to be "Fighting Scouts" Our CO issued the following Orders.
Originally Shouted with Force and Brutality By an Abusive Allied CO
56th FG and Shills: Consider yourselves fighting scouts. I'd like these two sqauds to split into small elements of 2-4 planes. I'd prefere 2 plane elements (wingman wingleader) Assign elements to varying altitudes. for example, if the Shills bring 8 pilots, we would have 4 groups of two. Wewould assign them as follows
1 0-5k
2 5-10k
3 10-15k
4.15-20k
Your mission is to patrol the southern part of the country, just north of the coastline. Last frame Ju-88s came in under our Cap at A18 and elsewhere. A-18 was destroyed. In a perfect world, your elements will be able to string themselves out, but keep visual contact (eg, stay in incon range)with one another. But that's a long front to cover. 56th FG will patrol West, covering the Approaches to A16 and the Refinery, Shills will patrol East covering the approaches to London. If attacked, you can engage, but remember we're trying to find the bomber alts and targets. I don't expect many of these guys to survive. Sorry.
Considering we were on a sewercide mission, most of the Squad was in pretty good spirits. In fact at least two of the pilots had faild to receive the orders, and so were probably VERY surprised when they got jumped by a horde. The Urgent calls of some assinged to lower alts to "get more alt" were pretty funny. Anyhow, we spread out along the souther coast, and quicky lost sight of each other as we acted indepenty. In my case, my wingman, Devi (of the 33rd) and I Were assigned on the bottom 5-0k. I had hoped that the 109s would come in at max alt, around 20k, and that my 10k and 5k groups could slip under them. I forget who was assinged to 10k, but they became engaged with the 109s (I believe they fought a fighting retreat north). Devi and I however slipped under the 109's and began to work south, away from the Fight at A14.
It looked like my plan was working perfectly (well, I would have hoped that about 6 planes would get throught the 109s, but 2 might be enough. When I saw a HUGE formation at my 2 O'clock flying north. Suffering from Confirmation bias, I wrongly ID'ed them as Ju-88's (Hey, they were big two engine planes! what do you want?) As I was excitedly radioing the Position of what I thought was the first London raid, I was cornholed by a 110 that I NEVER saw. Devi missed him too. It was a brutal drubbing.
It wasn't much longer until all the other shills were down. We all died, and we didn't get many if any kills, but we did what we were supposed to do, and I'm proud of my guys for taking on a difficult mission that hinged on not fighting.
Just for Wotan, here are the additional orders I gave to My Squad:
Lol, I think that the best sticks in the game will have a hard time with the patrol mission. Many of the 2 plane elements will probably be jumped by 5-10
109s in the begining of the fight. My hope is that 4-5 groups will survive unoticed by the 109s and be able to catch the Ju-88s coming in.
Remember, if you are jumped by 109s, Take as much time as you can killing them. Never take a shot that will get you killed. Bring the fight to the deck slowely over time. The longer you keep them engaged, the better off we will be. I'm hoping that we can get most of the escort force to engage our two small squads, by spreading us out. With the Reduced Icon range, my hope is that 109s will see 2 cons, and figure there are 5-10 more nearby, then they will overcommit to fighting these two cons, who are not at all
interested in fighting. Just get them to waste fuel and time. We will be "bait" as it were. I don't expect us to die, but I don't have much hope for us to all live.
All in all it was my favorite TOD, but I don't know if it was because of who close and well fought it was, or if It was because I was the CO. Either way, this event will just continue to grow, and as it does, it will give a greater justification for all the early war plane additions. agian to everyone involved.
-Sikboy
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Had the honor of leading 17 Mongrels out of A16 flying Spitfires with orders to protect A16. Climbed to 25K while patrolling just south of A16. No joy for the action was South. Gave the order for 6 Mongrels to re-fuel while the rest of the squad remained aloft in case of enemy approaching. Rest of the Mongrels re-fueled just as a number of JU88s with Me110 escort approached A16. The upper group carried out the attack which downed several enemy aircraft.
Re-fueld again and took the remaining Mongrels South just North of A14. Had whirling dogfight with Me110s in which the Mongrels downed several more of the enemy. Just as I was lining up on a Me110, I got a disco. (Luck for the 110 pilot).
Believe the Mongrels downed 8-9 enemy aircraft and kept the enemy from causing major damage to A16.
Was one of the best TOD frames I have had the pleasure of flying in. Salute to all those involved. :)
Swager
332nd Flying Mongrels
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Sikboy that was probably me. As per usual when we rolled Swoop called HOLD OTR about the second my wheels left the ground. I was climbing a little ahead of our merry group of 110s when we spotted 2 dots 11 low. I was despatched to ID them, I came in real fast in a dive, passed over the trailing hurricane hammered the lead and came back and finished off the trailer who was doing a very good impression of a stunned-mullet.
By this time the group of 110s had gone feet dry and I was low. The group engaged a gaggle of hurris north of A13 I believe, I was trying to get there when I spotted a lone hurri RTBing below me. So I took the straggler, and runnng low on gas rtb'd. I refueled, rerolled, and after much taunting got the RAF down from Scotland a bagged another couple of spits. On the way home I spotted Dux and Co gangbanging a couple of low hurri's - so I joined the party - but was only able to get one hurri smoking. Time was a ticking so I decided to bug out home.
110 is a mean SoB :)