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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs2 on May 25, 2002, 09:34:08 AM
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Had a couple of great nights of fighting the last few nights... couple of hours of intense furballing between two fields that were either close together (mindinou fight) or that the planes from both fields met halfway (last night in center isle over VH).. this was a lot of fun and a lot of guys were participating and having a blast..
I realize that we were having so much fun only at the mercy or, ignorance of the fluffers... One attention starved milkrunner could have stopped the fun at any time if he wanted to.. spoiling the AH experiance for dozens of guys having a good time. The only option would have been to fly cap over the field all night to do battle with a robo-fluff if it dained to show up... no option at all for most folks. No fun to do and even if one of the skilless fluffers showed up you would then be participating in the least fun and most unrealistic air combat availabel in AH as your "reward".
So.... will the new drone herders be able to destroy fights at a whim, and with no effort save patience in 1.10 as they can now? I am only interested in their capabilities so try to address that..
lazs
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LOL...you had a fun night...no 'fluff' (as you name them) spoiled your fun....and you whine about it. You're a gem :D
I'm sorry to see that 1.10 is troubling your sleep those last days.
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You do realize that anything talked about in this regard will be pure speculation? Until we actually see and play with the new buff implementation, all of this is just conjecture.
On that note; I think we will see a ton of buffs the first few days after the release of 1.10, but things will settle down after that.
I also speculate whines will be at a new all time high for those few days. Every release is wrought with everyone trying out the new "toys". Hopefully though, with all the new toys HTC is bringing to 1.10 maybe the new buff stuff will fade fast, except for those who like to fly them, which will allow us to get back to our normal whine level.
And with the new changes for the buffs, I suspect we will see even fewer actual pilots flying them, as now, there will be more of a challenge to command the buffs and it will not be so easy to just get up and drop a load as before.
It is my opinion that all the hype and hysteria about the new buff stuff is just that. We hardcore buffers will find the new stuff nice and more intense to fly and pilot than before, but I do not beleive there are that many of the "hardcore" buffers in AH.
More pointed to what you are saying laz; I think buffers will be less disruptive to the furballers than ever before. Why? Well, we will no longer be able to drop a short load, turn quickly and drop another load on targets. We will have to extend and recalibrate the Norden for a second pass. However, we can also gamble on a full drop, hoping we hit enough targets to be effective, in which case we will merrily turn for home. In order to be effective in a first pass, however, we will have to come in low, which means more fodder for furballers.
We will be more susceptible to fighter fire than ever before as well, due to the time it takes to calibrate Norden, as once it is calibrated, we cannot deviate from course without recalibration, thus making us easier targets for fighters.
I think field vulchers are going to have thier hands full though. Uhmmm,..get a group of pilots together and launch bunches of buffs. The field vulcher will quickly run out of ammo and probably will not be able to foil at least one of the 3 buff formation from taking off. Of course, this plays right into a furballers hands as well.
Overall, I think furballers are going to have more fun than ever, once the new release adrenalin settles down.
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Laz,
Despite all your hand wringing, we are not at the mercy of bomber's right now. I have never had my fights interupted, or been denied the option to fight in fighters, by a bomber or bombers.
So no, we will not still be at the mercy of bombers as "still" implies a continuance.
Will bombers still be at the mercy of fighters is a better question.
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I know Lazs is paying attention.
The score now stands at Lazs 3 Muck 1.
Somehow or another, you managed to smack into the tail of my F6F last night. New maneauver?
I did'nt take any damage but I got the oh so joyful "You shot down Lazs" message.
Now if only my other dream can come true. This is the one where I unload 3 Lancs and level your favorite airfield du jour.
:D
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He still hasnt realized that jabos do far more damage, far quicker than a buff. :rolleyes:
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lol Several months from now:
Laz: "Will we still be at the mercy of Jabos in 1.11"
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Why are there a select few who keep on carrying on like they're the single most important person to voice there thoughts.
"So.... will the new drone herders be able to destroy fights at a whim, and with no effort save patience in 1.10 as they can now? I am only interested in their capabilities so try to address that..
lazs"
If you are so intrested in their capabilities why whine about bomber pilots.:confused: :confused:
lazs, i think you should take up a lancaster or a B17 and see how much fun it is to clime up to 20K feet and get shot down by a 109. 2nd, see how hard it is to kill the FH and also the field with a 109 on your ass. 3rd, make it back to base alive.
Now your prob going to attack my post with the normal comment " They ruin all the fun for everone else". Well so does 50 AC over your base does the same thing, but i dont see you complaining about that?
When i see a high Bomber, i think good on him atleast hes trying to do somthink different than furball all day. Even when he take out all the resources at the base, its means our defenses were not good unufe.
Bomber right now, i think have a good mix between strength and also accuracy with droping bombs. Still i am looking forward to the next update because i would love to clime into a 12 formation of buffs with my squad.
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F6bomber
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Anybody ever consider that lazs might actually be Gilbert Gottfried? The voice just seems to match the words
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Gilbert... perfect.
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Well karnak you experience in ah is a far cry from anyone elses.
Numerous times fluffers will kil the fhs at one of the bases where the best a2a in happening. Or kill the fuel. This not not aid base capture because hes alone. The one good thing about these maps with small fronts is sometimes the fight because up at the next base.
Fluffers are alway whining about "why should we fly how you want" but its the majority of folks, who fly fighters, that have to adjust to them. I guy in a fluff has too much impact on the arena.
Hopefully the the bombing procedure will be tough enough to wheen out the truly skilless and / or be hard enough that it takes some time for folks to learn how o use it.
You can see the fluff mentality in a lot of the post by the fluffers. "i'm gonna drop right on the spawn points" . Ht has given them a strat model and a buff model to match it. But fluffers arent iinterested in that. For the most part we have that now and look how fluffs are used. If ya dont think fluffers want attention read mucks post. The same attitude powers most fluffers.
We will see.
Tac it takes multiple jabos to kill a field and they are fighters. it easy to make them ditch ord and fight ya.
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v1.10 and bombers effect on gameplay?
Its hard to say until we actually have a few tours under our belts. But........
From looking at what HTC has said, it almost appears as though bombing with heavies has become at least moderately more problematic for those who are doing the bombing. This suggests the effect of bombers will be lessened at least on the front lines.
I would say that loss of pinpoint lazer bombing (ie killing hangers) will allow the "two field furballs" to sustain themselves unmolested at least a while longer (provided Jabos dont come in and De-Fang one of the competing fields). Biggest unkown IMO is bomb dispertion and changed damage values to objects.
In the big picture, Im thinking that HTC has forced the heavy bombers into a more strategic role. I also think the new 512x512 maps will have the high value strat targets way back from the front lines. This would be a good thing in the develpement of the game.
Bottom line: except when your side is down to say, 30% resources, the biggest hassle you should have to face (and largely do as it is now is anyway I suppose) is reading the map after one furball has been shut down and either going to the next developing furball or making a new one.
I dont think you will see a real big impact to your desired gameplay preferences much more than already exists most of the time in v1.09. I could be wrong and I suspect that if there is a serious disabling effect on gameplay as a result, HTC would probably see it before most of us do and adjust settings accordingly. They seem to be pretty sharp on these things for the most part.
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Poor Laz
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Originally posted by Tac
He still hasnt realized that jabos do far more damage, far quicker than a buff. :rolleyes:
Your statement in the other thread similar to this was idiotic IMO. With your "quicker than a buff" clarification, I'm in total agreement.
Having said that however, multiple jabos attempting to kill a field isn't an issue in this debate. Fighter intercept of said jabos turns into A2A combat usually, a bunch of guys fighting it out.
Not so with a lone milkrunnin', high alt fluff.
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Wotan, if you bring a heavy fighter, you can climb to 15k or 20k much faster than a buff, your speed is faster (in most planes) when heavy, if you get intercepted they can dive to high speeds and go banzai on target. A buff gets intercepted and he cant do either.. he'll have to either gun the fighter down or die.
A heavy fighter can take out 1 fh or pork a town or pork a field's fuel. Only the B17 and lancs can kill more than 1 fh.. and even then that leaves other FH's up. Lancs can kill 4 FH's.. but they are very slow to climb and are the easiest buff to kill.
So between a 6 buff strike and a 6 jabo strike coming in at the same alt, the jabo is more effective. Especially since the fighters can re-up and come for a 2nd run in the time a buff makes 1 run. After that the fighters can fight it out with any cons that are up (if they didnt kamikaze).
"Not so with a lone milkrunnin', high alt fluff"
True. But then again, how many times do you see more than ONE buff above 25k? And how many jabo strikes would deliver ordenance in the same time it took said buff to climb and get there?
From what i see lazs doesnt like the idea of bombers which he doesnt want to climb to intercept porking his fields. But he isnt noticing that the jabo's he sees coming in which he may try to intercept, are the ones doing more damage to his field in less time. The funny thing is, when a field has a furball directly over it at low alt, its the buffs that fly at 12k+ AGL that do most of the damage.. because the defenders dont climb to them (too busy furballing). Its almost the same thing with the fleets. If you want to keep them, CAP them. He just wants to low alt furball, then let him, but his fields will get pummeled from higher enemy planes (buffs OR jabos). I can imagine if the buffs were magically removed from the game, he'd be whining about P-38s and P-47s doing kamikaze dive runs on his field. *shrug*
Now with 1.10 the buffs will have to fly at lower alt, and really have to work with the aiming system. But of course, this means that a flight of 12 30k lancs will still be able to obliterate a base, the blast damage from so many bombs is sure to count for something, especially if they carrying the 4k + 9*1k bombs... 156k of ordenance falling all over a field.. wwhooohoo that will be a sight!
And if a mission of lancs.. say, 12 players get their 3 buffs each... yum yum yum :D :D :D
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I imagine the 1943-45 Luftwaffe and Lazs had/have the same feelings towards buffs.
Lazs, you are a LW at heart.
F.
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I think dammage from buffs runs will be less. No pinpoint accuracy anymore. You can set run to get 2 fighter hangars... If you set correct salvo, delay and your run is very accurate. But unlikely you will get 3 of them.
Do not know, I am still quite skeptical about this new feature. I think that is very good for scenarious, but MA strat will have "fever" for some time, like it were with resupplies.
Again, may be not, I will be happy if this change will not affect current strat much.
Fariz
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I suspect my squad has flown as much if not more jabo then any squad in ah.
We never take out fhs or fuel. Mostly we kill the vhs and ack. I have never been at a field where theres a huge furball and 6 jabos come in and end the fight. Never. You can speculate all you want or try to change the subject around. The fact is fluffers do this, the have done it and they will do it future.
At bases that were attacked enmass by jabo they are always captured.
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Wotan,
When was the last time that you could not (and I mean could not) take off in your fighter because of something a B-17 or Lanc had done?
I can't remember the last time I had that problem.
Remember, to meet this description all the FH at several bases must be down.
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Bombers were used in WW2 to deny the use of airfields for strategic purpose. If I see a friendly field under attack I will do my best to stop that happening and stop the launch of more enemy fighters. Craters have no effect to taxiing aircraft so the only way to stop them is to destroy the hangars.
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Originally posted by Wotan
If ya dont think fluffers want attention read mucks post. The same attitude powers most fluffers.
Obviously, Wotan, you don't know jack about me, or my gaming style. I've no interest in stopping a furball. You guys can chase each others tail all day for all I care. And garnering your attention, or respect, much less that of Lazs, is hardly a concern for me.
I take bases. Plain and simple. Look at my squad. You know what we do on our missions. Hell, you've flown in them. Look at my stats. You'll see I'm killed in a goon more than any other a/c save the 26. What's this tell you? I'm trying to help my squad, and our friggin country take bases, so we don't have our backs to the wall constantly. What happens when we take a base, Wotan? You get a new place to fly out of and start furballing all over again.
Your welcome.
That's my style of play, take it or leave it. If I get to blow Lazs to pieces in the process, that's just a bonus because of the mutual distaste we have for each other.
You're a great pilot Wotan. I've had the priviledge of watching you work, but your attitude towards the people that fight to capture bases for you and yours leaves alot to be desired.
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The game is evolving, that's all.
New elements are being added, new gameplay is being added, things will be different in a variety of ways.
I think HTC probably knows their intent with regard to adding this stuff and have probably thought about it and "wargamed" it. I doubt they are adding things randomly and just hoping it will all work out in the end.
They've done a pretty good job so far, haven't they? Why second guess them now?
Yeah, we'll all be learning new things now. The game will change in ways we have not foreseen.
But that's what keeps this new and interesting, no?
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i dunno... last night i popped 3 26's and a lanc, rearmed (who cares what they might have done to the fh's) took off again, got a B17, got 3 others smoking(formation of 5) rearmed for lack of fuel.(they had killed all FH VH and some fuel) took off collected the kills as a couple of teammates finished the 17's and then i popped about 2-3 fighters before myself dying...
All in Fwa5 with 2 20's...
'fluffs' didn't spoil my fight
SKurj
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Originally posted by Toad
The game is evolving, that's all.
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But that's what keeps this new and interesting, no?
Yes. :)
Fariz
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never mind fellas this is a never ending debate.
Its always been about how buffs are used in ah. Theres no need to get your feelings hurt over other folks opinions. I have mine you have yours.
But I am right :)
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Originally posted by Wotan
Theres no need to get your feelings hurt over other folks opinions. I have mine you have yours.
But I am right :)
Absolutely not! I have been following this thread with interest, as I am really looking forward to the challenge of the new bomber setup. However, I am not about to get upset because people have different opinions.... and no, I'm right! :p
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Ogun said:
"Anybody ever consider that lazs might actually be Gilbert Gottfried? The voice just seems to match the words"
Thanks for nothing, Ogun. Now I got that obnoxious voice running through my head along with Lazsie's obnoxious posts.
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Being new to AH. i'm a little confused . Isn't the purpose of the buffs to be used for stratigic game play. eg. Destroying fuel,hangers etc. preventing the enemy fighters from useing that field? It seems like the complaint is that the game is a fighter furball. We had a special place for that in air warrior called fighter town. There you were free to furball as much as you liked. How would one play this game as it was intended if you couldn't use the buffs for there intended purpose?
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no what were heavy bombers used for during ww2?
Do you think they spent every sortie trying to kill a fh?
Theres a strat model to ah with factories trains trucks twn etc. Its largely ignored.
Also theres a difference in tactical and stategic.
the stategy in ah is reset. The tactics are base capture.
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I'd call taking airfields strategic as well...the maneuvers (not Immelman types) or plans used to take the airfield the tactics, whether you only take out only the fuel or you only use B-17s, etc. Weasel, I agree with what I think you are saying and I can't understand all the whining about the buffs. This isn't WW2, it's a game without any attrition...an arena of various types of aircraft from the war. Some like the low altitude turn-fights, some like the bombers and destroying ground targets, some like E-fighting and some like booming and zooming and some like to hunt buffs. I'm glad we have the variety here. If someone doesn't like having his base hit by a buff, take an aircraft to high altitude and hunt them down. But some only like to take Spits and outturn anything or LA7s and run everyone down for a kill and think they would've been the hero of their country. The cycle is complete though when a big fat slow heavy buff comes in overhead and takes out the base those quakers like to take off from. The goal is to take someone out of a fight, no matter what you use or how you use it.
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if you so much destein the "fluffers" Lasz why don't yo play off-line ?
Every field has a low furball over it just waiting for you ! No disturbing chatter on the coms, insta respawn of the furballers isn't that paradise?
geeez
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Originally posted by lazs2
Had a couple of great nights of fighting the last few nights... couple of hours of intense furballing between two fields that were either close together (mindinou fight) or that the planes from both fields met halfway (last night in center isle over VH).. this was a lot of fun and a lot of guys were participating and having a blast..
I realize that we were having so much fun only at the mercy or, ignorance of the fluffers... One attention starved milkrunner could have stopped the fun at any time if he wanted to.. spoiling the AH experiance for dozens of guys having a good time. The only option would have been to fly cap over the field all night to do battle with a robo-fluff if it dained to show up... no option at all for most folks. No fun to do and even if one of the skilless fluffers showed up you would then be participating in the least fun and most unrealistic air combat availabel in AH as your "reward".
So.... will the new drone herders be able to destroy fights at a whim, and with no effort save patience in 1.10 as they can now? I am only interested in their capabilities so try to address that..
lazs
why not stay in the dueling arena if so afraid of bombers ?
And why whine about somhting we dont know much about or have tested yet ?
airguard
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well.... most seem to have missed my point. My point is that right now.. a fluff has the ability to kill the fight for dozens of guys and he does it by simply being imune to boredom or, having some perverse idea of "fun". It is good that most guys in AH can't stand the idea of fluffs and the way they are modeled in AH or that they simply can't stand the boredom.
Still... it is not good that the fluffs have this ability. It is the ability that is the problem.
I merely asked if they will have this ability in 1.10. I realize that it will be speculation but I believe that it is good to keep perspective in this thing. Pretending that all is right with fluffers and that you never see them doing the high alt FH drop and killing a good fight is..... untruthful and counterproductive.
So long as we make fighter hangers and fuel an easy and attention grabbing target for 4 engined bombers we will fuel this animosity....
Right now... what is being said is... "we can do it but we don't" and "we don't do it cause it is too gamey and doesn't advance our cause of winning the war" Both are lies at worst and wishful thinking at best......
What needs to be in place is a feature that makes the fluffers say. "we don;'t do it cause it is darn near impossible".
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Right now... what is being said is... "we can do it but we don't" and "we don't do it cause it is too gamey and doesn't advance our cause of winning the war" Both are lies at worst and wishful thinking at best......
What needs to be in place is a feature that makes the fluffers say. "we don;'t do it cause it is darn near impossible".
lazs
I don't do it 'cause Lazs says it's not nice.
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exactly arfan but.... While I am sure that the majority of people are just like you and hang on my every word for guidance.... Ther are some hopeless degenerates out there that can't be saved.... We have to work around that.
lazs
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Lazs,
It's really all perspective, in my mind. You say: <> I say that an LA7 has the ability to kill the fight for several guys. The object of this game is to take someone out of the fight, and if it's done by fighter down low vulching, running fighters down and killing them in a maneuver or by high altitude bomber, it's all good and fun. In strict time vs kill, the LA7 will take more people out of a fight than a big slow buff does, IMO. You can always run a resupply goon in to repair the base, but I'm guessing you only want to fight one way and that's down low in a furball. Nothing wrong with that, but not all of us find enjoyment in such strict parameters like you but in contrast enjoy the variety to the play.
Take care!
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there is NO difference between having a bomber taking out your FH's and "ruining your fun" and having a single jabo coming and suiciding on your FH's (and he'll do it faster too).
What you want is unkillable fields. That wont ever happen in the MA. You can find those in the DA and TA.
"The goal is to take someone out of a fight, no matter what you use or how you use it."
Exactly Steven :)
"Pretending that all is right with fluffers and that you never see them doing the high alt FH drop and killing a good fight is..... untruthful and counterproductive"
And pretending that a never ending furball over the same field until one side ends up vulching the field is productive? Really, what kind of game would you think it would be if it was nothing but fighter vs fighter? Thats Fighter Ace you know *hint* ;) .
1.10 will hopefully have a different strat system (werent they thinking on tying field ownership to the ownership of strat targets or something like that?), and the buff formations and added bomb dispersion will hopefully give the game a new direction.
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steven... a lag7 can't spil the fight for me. He is the fight for me. I do ok against other planes and enjoy fighting every one of em... even pee 51's and D9's when I can catch em. Big difference.
tac... are you really playing in the same game I am? I know that a fighter can suicide into a hanger or a cv. I watched a Hog dive into a fighter hanger with a bomb.. he came in high but had to dive in for the drop.. I got some pingws on him and got the kill. He killed one fighter hanger and so far as I know it reset before he ever made it back again for a second run or he just gave up.
Once in a great while you will find like minded suicide guys who will all go to jabo a hot field and of course... they all die. Least at the fields I see.
Fluffs are different and you know it tac.. they circle around at 15-30K when everyone else is having fun down below. they know they will get one drop in and then, even if it means they will eventually be killed... another. They take out either fuel or fighter hangers. I'm not sure if they think that they are "contributing/helping" their teammates who are happilyu furballing or if they just like the attention. In either case they are not welcome. without killshooter they wouldn't make it to the enemy field.
Now... if HTC can figure out a way for fluffs to bomb stuff that makes em feel important without pissing off the fighter guys I'm all for it.. Like I have allways said.... I don't care what the fluffs do so long as it doesn't affect me. (winning the war doesn't affect me)
lazs
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"Fluffs are different and you know it tac.. they circle around at 15-30K when everyone else is having fun down below. they know they will get one drop in and then, even if it means they will eventually be killed... another."
Let me capitalize on the "when everyone else is having fun down below" part. The BUFF pilot is having his fun.. UP THERE. You dont like it, get a 109g10 and shoot his bellybutton out with a banzai 30mm run. You'll get to his alt real quick. If you dont want to do that, then tough luck, your field will be porked. Lack of interest is on your end only.
In short, you once again want only unkillable fields. The FH's WILL go down no matter what plane you blame as being the problem.
I can bet right now that in 1.10 you will be whining because 2 player manned 6 X lancasters coming in at 5k alt nuked your field's FHs... because you were too busy furballing with the nearest spit to go after the buffs. Especially if said lancs dove from 10k to 5k aGL to gain his near 400 mph speed (and in 1.10 the less alt the more accurate the bombing) and leaves you eating his dust as you watch in horror how they nuked your FH's in one pass.
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Lazs, I like the buffs, but I guess it's all about you.
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tac.. I think women and cripples should be able to have fun in the game too but... Not such a large effect on fighter gameplay. Please stop telling me that if I want to continue to have fun in AH I have to grab a G10 and quit having fun long enough to kill the gamey, cyborg fluffs.
right now... you can't afford to let em live and they are no fun to kill.... fighting them destroys the air combat experiance. They will no doubt not be fun to fight for a long time in the future but I would like to be able to ignore them without them ruining fights.
I don't care if they "win the war" tho... wouldn't bother me if they say.... dropped xxxxx tons of bombs on HQ or city or whatever and that "won the war". I could then ignore them.... they could get attention and brag on channel 1..... and everyone would be happy.
lazs
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to me, what is the most amazing, is that some would take it so personally when a player uses a fair game element in the manner it was designed to be used. I don't think people are pissing on your parade when they drop bombs. When I hear this complaint, I can't help but see a toddler cry when someone takes away his lollipop. If its an affront to you or your AH experience for someone to play in this fair manner, then there are other life issues that need to be dealt with that certainly can't be solved here.
my .02
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Please drink and drive....I need the kidney.
LOL
Now you want to come over here and clean off my moniter ???
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When taking a base it is often best to pork the fuel ord at surrounding bases.Vh too.When I see Buffs constantly coming into a base I grab the 109G10 and grab up to stop them.I do something about it.I wont stand on the ground shaking my fist at the sky screaming DO IT MY WAY!!!!!! This game has several facets.The Buff pilots affect the game in one way...the fighters another.If you dont like the way someone flys...pay there bill.Then you have a say in the matter.Otherwise....Do something to stop them or stuff it.:D
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Many times I have been engaged one on one with a good opponent . from 20k down to the deck. Just as i'm gaining an advantage on him, or him on me, here comes a friendly or an enema and ruins the whole exercise. But what you gonna do, i'm not the only guy in the arena. I would agree with laz on the fluffs if they were doing it on purpose. But it is easier to think that they are doing it in an attempt to take the field.
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You want to furball and only furball, then HTC provides you with a Dueling arena. Cripes, what a bunch of whiny little babies. Grow up for christs sake.
But no, instead of going to the DA you want to spoil other peoples fun in the MA. As far as anyone knowing what any given pilots intentions are, you have no damn idea, so feel free to keep your unfounded guesses to yourself.
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Laz,
The MA is one, big fight. Killing the FHs at a field or two doesn't stop the fight, you just find a different place to take off from. With the numbers we've had in the last few months you can't help but find a fight.
Stop your pitiful whining. Its pathetic.
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All that whine lazs and you seem to only eat processed cheese food stuff.
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FIGHTERTOWN ARENA!! I feel a crusade coming on!
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Oh boy, so now its "Dueling Arena 2: Another Empty Arena"
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
So you want a place to dogfight away, you've already got it...
As Ripsnort has eloquently pointed out in the past, you wanted a Dueling Arena, but do not use it!
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No no no LePaul, Lazs doesn't want a duelling arena, Lazs wants a "Everyone Will Play Lazs Way" arena. What he fails to realise is that he isn't the only person in the universe.
Grow up Lazs and try to understand that other people will do what they want to do, acting like a spoilt brat about it is entirely your choice. If you want to tell people how they should get their fun, start paying their subs for them, until then keep your insults to yourself.
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I have never asked for a dueling arena...ripsnore lied abouit that.
I dont care what someone does in a game that I play but... One aspect of the game should not have, or be capable of, such a large effect on the others with so little effort and skill.... especially one that is so silly as fluff driving. I really don't care what the fluffers reasons are for destroying a good fight. I simply would like it fixed so that they couldn't or... that they had much less chance of doing so.
I also realize that it is a big map and that I can "go somewhere else" after fuel or fighter hangers or radar is killed. I just find it inconvienient and wasted time.
I do not wish to defend against the cyborgs as it is boring and time consuming.
If ten fluffers all got together they could ruin the game for a lot of people. they don't do that right now (very often). We are playing by their good graces.
and... no matter what.... 4 engined bombers should not be able to affect cv groups or prevent fighters from taking off from an airfield.
lazs
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"The world according to Lazs2"
I really don't care for opera. So in the world according to Laz, I should buy opera tickets, go to the show and when they all start singing in foriegn languages shout out "STOP IT!!! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU'RE RUINING THE FUN FOR ALL OF US".
Folks that get sea sick should buy tickets on deep sea fishing boats and then try to convince everyone else that they'd have more fun if they kept the boat tied to the dock.
Everything is ok "so long as it doesn't affect me".
Laz, who cares what you and a couple dozen tail sniffers think when there are over 400 players online. You spend money each and every month so HTC can continue adding features that ruin your day, why? Put your money where your whine is and stop paying if you don't like it. Personally nothing give me greater satisfaction than to bomb every FH where ever you happen to be flying. That is one of the many reasons I keep paying each month.
You are the biggest whining troll on this board. Where are the dozens of tail sniffers you speak about, they don't seem to care enough to back you up here.
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zip... I think we can all agree that you just gave one of the worst analodgies any of us have ever heard.
No.... AH is great the way it is. Fortunately there are so few women and cripples on that the fluffs don't cause too much of a problem right now. I am only saying that on occassion they do create problems and that..... If they wanted to.... They could be extremely annoying. We are playing at their mercy and I don't think that this is a very good idea.
lazs
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jees im glad laz doesnt run HTC. we'd all be stuck in an unchanging game because 'he' doesnt like anyone else to fly a different way to his 2 base furballing.
yes its good fun laz, but its too BORING if its all there is to do.
I welcome the change.I think as long as the defensive guns dont become even deadlier then it will actually be better for all concerned.I often try to get a few guys together to fly bombers but it is annoying having to wait for othersall the time.
Well now 1 or 2 guys can put together a decent formation! we wont be able to surgically ruin a bases supplies! its exactly as it should have been from the start. you drop, you HOPE.Theres no way to hit all the fuels with a single bomb on each laz.So in fact it should stop exactly the sort of thing you are moaning(crying) about.
Whine of the day/week/year for you laz as far as im concerned.
you wont ever put in the effort to stop a bomber bombing the base but you constantly complain about them.Youre like a bad stuck record and personally im fed up with reading your drivel.
no offence ;) hehe, well maybe some.......
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Lazs ...
I have read many of your posts concerning this topic and have determined that you probably are a very intelligent person who does understand ALL the strategies involved in the MA, yet you continue this "don't ruin my fun" campain.
You are truly the king of trolls ...
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Originally posted by lazs2
I have never asked for a dueling arena...ripsnore lied abouit that.
lazs
Not in so many words (or perhaps it would be more accurate to say, "not in so few words"), but that is exactly what you advocate for. I've said it before: the strat system in AH, that not only allows for the capture of bases but encourages it, is what perpetuates the fun in the MA. And the ability to temporarily restrict operations at a base (by level bombers or JABOs) is what makes taking bases reasonably possible. If a country does such a poor job of defending their base that it is porked by the enemy, than they will loose it. That's fair.
For what it's worth, I have never upped a strategic bomber with the intention of "spoiling" anyone's fun. I sincerely doubt you'll find many (if any) that do. I do it to prep a base for capture, or to reduce the enemy's ability to interfere with that capture by killing fuel/barracks/ammo at nearby bases. I'll also do so to relieve pressure on one of my country's bases that is under heavy attack. There are plenty of incidents of heavy bombers attacking enemy airfields in WWII. Since this is a WWII simulation (and not just a WWII fighter arcade game), it seems reasonable they should be able to do so here.
You seem to attribute such evil intent to most if not all bomber pilots in the MA. It's commonly held that the wicked see ill-intent in all others, while the good of heart give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Only the trustworthy can trust others. It seems obvious which side of the line you fall on.
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Hey slapshot, I've come to determine that is the only reason he posts on these boards. No other bait in the world can even compare with lazs on hooking the big ones. :rolleyes:
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"One aspect of the game should not have, or be capable of, such a large effect on the others with so little effort and skill.... especially one that is so silly as fluff driving"
oy. Again Lazs, WHAT is the difference between 1 bomber blowing your hangars and 1 kamikaze JABO? Both require NO skill whatsoever, and very little effort (jabo even less than a buff since it climbs faster, gets to target faster and is far easier to evade enemy cons in).
If you took the bombers away from the game you'd be whining because 20k P-38s and P-47's were blowing your hangars and..WAAAAAA I DONT WANNA INTERCEPT THEM WAAAAA.
:rolleyes:
"Fortunately there are so few women and cripples on that the fluffs don't cause too much of a problem right now. "
And comments like this... simply uncalled for. Its outright LOW.
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Lazs2 has been trolling many boards under many names for many years.
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Fortunately there are so few women and cripples on that the fluffs don't cause too much of a problem right now
Is this the kind of offensive rubbish that we as a community want visitors to see and judge us all by?
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hmmm will we be at the mercy of annyoying WHINES in the revamped message board i HOPE for
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Lazs2 has been trolling many boards under many names for many years.
Virage,
You are wrong. The only time Lazs changes his name is when he forgets his password, but it is always a close variation. He doesn't hide behind other nicks to make his point.
But I could be wrong, only have known him for 10 years or so. What are some of his other handles and on which boards?
Drex
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Yea, I'll grant you I was reaching for that one but maybe not as much as you're reaching assuming that anyone on this board would agree with you.
I won't reach a bit for this one...YOUR AN amazinhunk. Pure and simple. Lots of offense intended.
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I've posted warnings recently about abusing this board. I take it as a personal insult when people detract from our ability to make a livelihood by trying to foster a personally combative and negative environment that most people want nothing to do with.
I'm giving some of you guys a week to think about it. I'll unlock your accounts at that time and if you want to come back and can function in a sociable environment, you're more than welcome. If you can't or choose to circumvent this "vacation", then you won't be welcome.