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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Beefcake on May 26, 2002, 06:58:53 PM
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For a little backeground info, a knight player by the name of Zeroping and myself have had a long standing argurment over what class that ship is that leads the TG. He keeps saying its a "BS", BS being his term for Battleship....even though I keep saying battleships were classed as "BB"s not "BS". Anyway he keeps saying that it's a Battleship....I keep saying it's a crusier. However these last weeks I have begun to think I am wrong.
So...is the ship that leads the TGs a Battleship or a Crusier? I always thought it was a Baltimore class CA. Am I wrong?
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Cruiser.
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Its a cruiser. Notice the gun caliber of the main guns.
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It is a US Heavy Cruiser. 8" guns.
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Here is USS Boston, Baltimore class heavy cruiser.
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Yes, as many above has said, it's a Baltimore class heavy cruiser (CA). Probablity the finest Heavy Cruiser ever designed. I'll go out on a limb and say that none was ever lost in combat. They stayed in service with the USN for may years after WWII. They were also the first ships in the USN to be converted to Missile Defense. I think the rocket was called the Tartar.
Finally, as a touch of class, all Baltimore's had Teak wood decks :)
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Really? I always thought it was a battleship too...
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Well you take one then.. Ill take Des Moines.
And very few major US units commisioned in late 43 or later where lost in the war. Did Baltimores ever participate in a surface action?
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Indianapolis was lost to a sub. I believe CA's were in the Phillipine Sea fight against Japanese heavy fleet units.
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Indianapolis was an NC class battleship....wasn't it?
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Originally posted by Beefcake
Indianapolis was an NC class battleship....wasn't it?
You're thinking of the Indiana, which was a South Dakota class BB. BTW, the Indianapolis was a Heavy Cruiser (CA), but not a Baltimore class. She predates WWII.
My regards,
Widewing
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I stand corected.
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Originally posted by Otto
Yes, as many above has said, it's a Baltimore class heavy cruiser (CA). Probablity the finest Heavy Cruiser ever designed. I'll go out on a limb and say that none was ever lost in combat. They stayed in service with the USN for may years after WWII. They were also the first ships in the USN to be converted to Missile Defense. I think the rocket was called the Tartar.
Finally, as a touch of class, all Baltimore's had Teak wood decks :)
The missle system your thinking of was called Talos. Tartars were deployed later and were initally only used on DDG's and FFG's. They have since evolved into the Standard family we have today on all SAM equiped surface combatants. There was a third SAM family way back in the 50's and 60's, It was the Terrier. Terrier was mostly deployed on new build DDG's and CG's.
Joker
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Originally posted by Beefcake
Indianapolis was an NC class battleship....wasn't it?
Cruisers are named after cities and battle wagons are named after states.
It would be an unusual (not unheard of mind you) for a battle ship to be part of a task force.
BTW, the projectiles for the New Jersey's guns weighed over a ton (2200 pounds is the figure I remember.) When the gun was fired, you could watch the projectile move through the air. When they were gettting ready to take the NJ to Vietnam, they sunk a small island as target practice. :)
curly
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Well you americans seem to build pretty crappy cruisers and cv's if 2 strafe runs from a 110 will sink both of them.
Must be ze german zuper 30mm that penetrates 6 inches of steel.
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FYI, the first cruiser was designed by Kurt Tank.
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...and it was gay, and was christened the 'love boat'.
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Isn't the ship that leads a task force the one that has the Commander of that task force on it?
What happens when the ship is hit and the Commander transfers to a destroyer? Surely that destoyer is then the lead ship in the Task Group.
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Here is a good site on Naval Ships
http://www.hazegray.org
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....or here
http://www.navsource.org
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Indianapolis was lost to a sub. I believe CA's were in the Phillipine Sea fight against Japanese heavy fleet units.
Yes Hang.
Many of the prewar US CAs were lost and participated in many surface actions..
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For the sake of Historical Accuracy (and not to boost my ego) Monk's URL shows that:
INDIANAPOLIS (CA-35)
dp. 9,800;
l. 610';
b. 66';
dr. 17' 4";
s. 32k;
cpl. 1,269;
a. 9 8", 8 5";
cl. PORTLAND
INDIANAPOLIS was laid down 31 March 1930
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.... the Indianapolis was a Portland class CA
If we remember anyone on this holiday, it should be the crew of that ship. Salute!
(Thanks for the info on the missiles Joker. I build a Revel model of one of those upgraded crusers when I was a kid but forgot the name of the system. Now it 'rings a bell..')
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Yes, we have a Baltimore class CA in the task group. It would not be uncommon to see a "modern" BB leading a task group either as they could put up a huge wall of AA fire.
The Baltimore was a great design, but I've always been partial to the Takao class CA.
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In the picture of the USS Boston above, is that a sea plane on the back of the boat? That would be an interesting addition to AH.
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That would be two 'Kingfisher's' back there Zipity and yes they would...:)
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Originally posted by deSelys
FYI, the first cruiser was designed by Kurt Tank.
It had a great roll rate but this is a bad thing for a heavy cruiser:D
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The first main battle tank was also designed by Kurt Tank, that's where the 'tank' name for the armoured battle vehicles came from.
Not to mention gasoline Tanks, petrol Tanks etc..
The guy was a genious.