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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BotaBing on August 29, 2000, 04:43:00 PM
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If you fly this game online, then you're a competitive person. That is the only explanation, because if you flew it just for the fun of the sim, you could do it offline.
That said, we all seem to care about cheating. More than anything though, I'm getting sick of hearing about cheating, and sick of the accusations, etc.
I would feel a heck of a lot better if I simply knew one way or the other if there was cheating going on.
Is there a cheat that alters plane flight characteristics such as speed, stalling, etc.
Is there a cheat that makes planes/vehicles able to take more damage?
Is there a cheat that makes planes/vehicles ammunition and ordinace hit harder, more accurate, etc?
Etc, I think the only way to deal with cheats is for everyone to be fully informed so we can spot cheaters from the get-go.
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Ive only spotted one cheater. Hblair. He wont hold still when im shooting at him.
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It is sertainly possible to edit the planes characteristics as they fly offline, things like fuel and ammo are easy. Just keep each at 10% and replenshinish them as you use them. The more sophisticated things would be more difficult and takes more iterest than I had when I looked at it durring beta.
But you can certainly see them in memory just like any other game. Would the server spot it if you monkied with them? No idea I did it more out of curiosity then anything but I found it took time away from flying so I gave it up after 2 hours.
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hi:
I agree with easymo
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wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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yeah i didn't even mention the hblair cheat, i figured we all knew that one already
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Botabing, maybe your connection is the problem. Try a different ISP or something.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 08-29-2000).]
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There are no cheats being used by anyone in AH. There are problems with people lacking an understanding of how the internet works (or doesn't) and there are even more people who do not understand flight and ACM.
Quite often, sadly, many folks don't take some time to investigate or even logically think about what it is they may have seen and too many times they take the path of least resistance which is to point an accusatory finger at the supposed "cheater".
Same thing happened in Salem Mass (USA) in the 1600's.
-Westy
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hblair is certainly over-modelled, but I'm not certain he's cheating.
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Vadr
Kommandeur, III/JG 2 'Richthofen' (http://www.jg2.org/)
CM, S3 Team (http://personal.smartt.com/~barbell/S3main.html)/Parser (http://www.cgidesign.net/s3/)
vadr@jg2.org
Combat Flightsim Business Forum (http://www.egroups.com/group/flightsimsonline)
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dont forget how HT started, hacking AW. Had a nice long talk with killer about a month ago on how it all started, 3 hours in fact. My take on hacking is this, it can be done, sometimes easily. All it takes is a dedicated person to proxy the packets and figure out what they do. Hopefully encryption is more then a copyright stamp. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Dnil---Skyhawk until I get Dnil back :)
Maj. 900th Bloody Jaguars
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer (http://www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer)
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Cheaters are like crooks, big ego that wouldn't allow them to keep their brilliance quiet. Someone would find out and then two someones and so on. No way is cheating happening in AH, unless it is hblair. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I have a hack going in this game now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Every time I fly I get shot down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)It's a test to see how low a score can go. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Catching cheaters would be near and dear to HT & Pyro's hearts. If cheaters were allowed much room at all, HTC's simulation and their livelyhood would go down the dumper.
I'm sure it has happened but would also guess cheaters have been busted.
On the other hand, I think there are way too many accusing others unjustly as Westy points out.
Too many prefer to blame others for their own shortcomings or for net burps and such.
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I'm pretty sure there are some that have used some form of cheats in AH but since I have no way of proving them I won't even bother pointing fingers.
I don't see how some of you can say for a fact that there is NO cheating at all. Just because they haven't been caught does not mean it doesn't happen.
Now am I going to go on a Hack dweeb hunt? NO! If I get proof of hacking I will report it to HTC. Until then I'll keep my eyes open and my mouth shut.
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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Torque cheats.. I have it written down right here next to my computer:
"That fricking Torque must be cheating!"
How much more documentation do you need?
AKDejaVu
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I'm gonna start cheating in a few weeks. Going DSL and buying "Sierra Hotel" CPU and vid card.
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Jus' cause yer paranoid don't mean I ain't out ta getcha.
GronK
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Mighty1 I believe that hackers/cheats love to bask in the "glory" of what they have done and they end up tooting thier own horn and are quickly found out. By thier nature these people can't shut up about it and they do or say somehting that lets the whole world know just how "kEwL" they are.
-Westy
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Normally I would agree with you Westy but as a part of my job I deal with Hackers all the time and not all of them like you to know they are hacking.
The hackers that I've had the most problems with are the ones that are quiet and never tell anyone what they are doing. These are the guys that really know what they are doing when it comes to hacking and they don't have to prove anything to anyone else. These are also the hardest ones to catch.
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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I have a question for all of you....
If 5 out of a hundred were cheating on a given night....what difference would it make anyway?
HTC would eventually identify who it was and they would be gone.
In the 11 years of flying online multiplayer aircombat sims, I can assure you that there have been some hacks from time to time, however, they have had no impact whatsoever in the play of the game.
Im sure some of you may think that the sky is falling if one were present in AH....It's a total waste of your time being concerned at all.
I shouldn't have posted this because I know that no one will agree...I just get tired of pointless topics which do nothing to enhance our sim....so.....
I'm Out!
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Well...I saw AW on AOL go down the drain when the Cheat-O-Matic proggie was being used. Nothing like a hack to drive the honest players out of the game.
Lars
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I don't know if anyone has been caught cheating yet, but there are a couple people I've seen that have such poor connects they warp all over when you get close. (What makes it worse is that a couple of them will NEVER relog or do anything about it.) I think maybe connection issues play a big part in this.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Your SO WRONG ~Ice~!!!!!!!!
I totally agree with you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif).
Maik
<JG54 Grünherz>
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no cheats for an online game ...lol . you sure? really sure?
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Hi
Anyone remember the screenshoths of the B26s and P51s with unlimited bombs and paratroopers? Did it amount to anything?
thanks GRUNHERZ
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Some people do try to hack the game once in a while.
There was a screenshot of a pair of B-26s firing rockets and dropping an unlimited ammount of bombs posted by somebody a few months back. HiTech and Pyro jumped all over them and banned them for life.
Most of the time this game is safe. Its custom code (unlike Quake and Unreal where its intentionally easy to understand and modifed), there are security measures in there, and somehow HiTech and Pyro KNOW its your computer online. Just try to cancel your account, start a new account up and see if you get another two weeks free.
I know. I switched accounts about two weeks ago (I wanted a new handle to match up better with my brother's name of "Lt. Hans"....I changed mine from Hans to Lt. Frans so we match better than "Hans and Lt. Hans").
I wasn't trying to get two weeks free with a new account, as another little idjit tried a month or two ago. He even posted requests here asking us "kewl dudes" on how to beat the sercurity. I guess he thought we all were like him, screw the system, hack the planet, warez are godz.
At any rate sure as rain, the system instanly said my two weeks were up in the very first attempt to go online, and I happily put in my CC number and go back into the game, with my new handle.
Hans.
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Hans and Frans?
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Pray not for an end to the slaughter...but for VICTORY!!!
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Saw this happen in FA 1.0. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Problem is, cheat rumors are like Bigfoot. Once the legend grows, every glimpse of a bear in the woods becomes a Sasquatch sighting. Same with hacking; every warp, tight turn, or good shot becomes a hack in the mind of the observer.
It doesn't affect the gameplay, but it gets annoying to be accused of hacking everytime you BnZ someone and climb out of range because you had more E.
I surely hope the rumors don't start in AH. Sounds like HTC does a fine job of squelching it so far. And if they don't, then ".squelch 1" does a good job too.
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I seen at least 47 cheats in the last tour!!
Just so happens this number matches the number of time I was shot down last tour!!
Wait! There's your documented proof. Due to my excellent SA, my keen flying ability, and my eagle eye shooting form, I should not get shot down. So anyone who does so, must be cheating!!!
So everyone who downed my aircraft last tour, please step forward and apoligize to the rest of the AH community!!
Thank You for your support!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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There is more cheating here than you would think.
Guys not only hack they fly 2nd and third accounts too.
They use them to spy. It makes the game alot easier if you know what alt and who your fighting.
The real goofs kill one account for points.
Oh ya thx to the guys who have uped on vulching runs multiple times. I owe you all some kills.
Yep guys will up a 2nd account and give kills to all there buds too.
Have fun any cheater can be killed easily if you have alt and smarts.
If you run into one who you think is just too good film them.
Often the film will tell.
Also you need to realize the guys who do this will post hey this isn't going on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It never was. LOL What BS!
Enjoy the game try to improve personaly every tour. You cant stop cheating so why even worry.
EYE
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The truth is that AH has been hacked, is being hacked and will be hacked. Because at the end of the day, the internet (and computers in general) attracts people who have social 'issues'. They feel completely in adequate in life generally, and the only way they can make people take notice of them is by 'hacking' (or whatever you want to call it).
Sad B'stards one and all.
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Aces High hacks can be obtained here at this site. http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Skyrocket/2978/aceshigh/super.htm (http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Skyrocket/2978/aceshigh/super.htm) for all you that don't believe theres more hacking than you thought ... duh .. isnt there torque?
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Very curious. Fritz you have 3 posts and one of them is a troll? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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"There are no cheats being used by anyone in AH. There are problems with people lacking an understanding of how the internet works (or doesn't) and there are even more people who do not understand flight and ACM.
Quite often, sadly, many folks don't take some time to investigate or even logically think about what it is they may have seen and too many times they take the path of least resistance which is to point an accusatory finger at the supposed "cheater".
Same thing happened in Salem Mass (USA) in the 1600's.
-Westy"
dead wrong , credibility 0, nose brown
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Sorry but I have to agree that there are hackers in AH.
Hackers are every where and it would be naive to think they couldn't hack AH.
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"Dead wrong Credibility 0 Nose brown" ? I have to ask again. Why_do_you_ bother with being here TOWD? Do you have any friends anywhere that you could ask why it is your are such a heel here?
I was wrong about NO cheats have been used. I sure as all hell wasn't about the other 99% of the time when some idiot hollers out or believes that he just saw someone use one.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 12-11-2000).]
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Rock on TOWD!!!! Insecure people will hack to game scores. The dumb ones will brag about it. These are the same people that had to use a gameshark to win on nintendo. You will always have little dick cheaters breaking codes it is what they do to fill a void in their empty little pathetic lives.
Just play your best and have fun knowing you did not have to cheat to be a . And yes there probably is hacking going on I wish i had filmed the lanc doing a split s that i saw being done. Oh well I will just keep practicing to get better.
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Pollock,
I just did several Spit S's in a row using a Lanc offline. No hacks.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Karnak, I guess it is hitechs problem then, can you also climb at 3k per min i wonder???
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As most of you have shot me down once to ten times a tour, you will know I reside in the basement of the Score Ratings. Yet, laugh of laughs, I have twice been complained of as being a Cheater!! WHat would be my purpose, to warp INTO your guns? I have a bad con or bugged machine, sometimes I seem to warp. It ain't cheating, its a pain in the arse alla round.
But cheating CAN ruin a game. Ultima Online became so rampant with cheats you couldn't play unless you were cheating too, or some Lightning Strike a Nanosec hack dweeb will kill and loot you. Even Everquest which was very strongly designed to defeat hackers has been hacked (though they seem to be on top of busting them out). It happens, and if it happens too often the game goes down the crapper. Its like having al of your fields vulched. No fun