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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SwampRat on February 09, 2001, 01:24:00 PM
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I was just reading up a little on Dick Bong..good stuff but I was just wondering what a Dinah is?? Listed as a kill he got over Gasmata (whereever that is..doesn't sound pleasant does it?) in 43...the Tojo over Ormac(?). Anyway, anyone know what these thing are?
SwampRat
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Oh wow!!
When Rickenbacker heard about it (Bong surpassing Rickenbacker's record of 26 kills), he sent a message of congratulations reading, "Just received the good news that you are the first one to break my record in World War I by bringing down 27 planes in combat, as well as your promotion, so justly deserved. I hasten to offer my sincere congratulations with the hope that you will double or triple this number. But in trying, use the same calculating techniques that has brought you results to date, for we will need your kind back home after this war is over. My promise of a case of Scotch still holds. So be on the lookout for it."
hehe...Imagine if everyone in AH was so gracious!!
SwampRat
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Dinae is a twin engine job I believe.
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Gasmata is just west of Rabaul.
Anyway, the Ki-46 Dinah was an excellent aircraft, a very fast (particularly for early-mid war) 2 engine high alt aircraft primarily used for patrol and reconnaisance.
It's sorta-kinda the Japanese "Mosquito" However, the vast majority of them were unarmed.
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Show me the Shoki!!!
Tojo was the Allied name for the Ki-44 Shoki (Devil-Queller) Army Type 2 Single-seat Fighter. It was like a mini-190. Big engine in a small plane. Not a turn fighter, but an interceptor with a better climb rate than anything in the US inventory.
I REALLY want to fly it in a sim someday. I made a thread about it here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000313.html) a while back.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-09-2001).]
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Mini 190? I'd say it's more like a mini La-5FN. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ki-100 and Ki-44 would be cool in Aces High, because Warbirds doesn't have ones.
Where is Pyro!!! <G>
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Well, let me comment more, I want Ki-100-I "Otsu" (Ki-100-Ib, Bubble Canopy) and Ki-44-II "Hei" (Ki-44-IIc, 12.7mm*4 loadout) in Aces High.
Funked, do you agree about this?
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BTW I have enough Data and References of both planes. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I would rather have the Ki61-II than the Ki100. Since the performance of the Ki61-II is actually better.
For those that don't know, the Ki61-II is the airframe on which they mounted a radial engine to get the Ki100.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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But the Ki-100 is more manoueverable and funky looking than the Ki-61-II, and there were about 5 times as many made too.
PS: The 2x40mm low velocity cannon(and other loadouts) should be available on the Shoki.
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Vermillion,
Sure, but I want both. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
and by the way Vermillion, Which Ki-61-II do you want, razorback or bubble canopy?
I vote Razorback at Ki-61-II.
Ki-100 should be bubble canopy. I like it.
-Mitsu
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But the Ki-100 is more manoueverable...<snip>
I wonder how much of this is truth, and how much is the fallacy of "accepted wisdom" ?
Admittedly, the Ki100 was about 600lbs lighter than the Ki61-II, which would improve wingloading and powerloading (otherwise identical airframes). But with appreciable increased frontal drag (the reason for lossing 29mph in top speed).
Neither plane is gonna be considered "nimble" in the sense of the classic japanese turnfighter with wingloadings of 38lbs/sqft and 35lbs/sqft.
And IMO the powerloading benefit of the Ki100 would be negated by increased frontal drag, thereby giving them nearly equal "manueverability" in the vertical sense. This is evidenced by both aircraft having the same Climb to 5km times of 6 minutes.
So considering the fact that your giving up almost 30mph in the Ki100 to the Ki61-II(360mph vs 380mph), to get a slight benefit in sustained turn ability and your getting little to no benefit in vertical manueverability (a much more important factor IMO), I would say that the Ki61-II would be a much more competitive and viable arena (and especially scenario) aircraft.
and there were about 5 times as many made too.
More yes, but not 5 times.
There were originally 404 Ki61-II airframes, but 275 were completed as Ki100's, so I guess we can call production at 129.
And the total production of Ki100's (a and b models) was only 384. So neither aircraft is what I would call "high production".
Which Ki-61-II do you want, razorback or bubble canopy?
Hehe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Well, if I'm flying it, I of course would like the bubble canopy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) But from what I have read, wasn't there only a single Ki61-II made with the bubble canopy? (the modified -II, which was actually the -III prototype?) If so, then the razorback is more appropriate IMO.
So what do you guys think of the Kawasaki Ki-64 as a Japanese perk plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ? Talk about Pony driver nightmares (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Mitsu I will be happy with Ki-ANYTHING! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Time to Nakajima Ki-27 for saving big perk points. <G>
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BTW, Takeo Doi, Engineer of Kawasaki said "The quality of maneuverability is decided by size of span loading than size of wing loading.".
It was his theory.
Well, what do you think about this?
I only know this - Ki-61's wing aspect was very high because he thought Span loading important. and higher aspects mean slow roll rate.
it's right...isn't it?
Also, what other effect does Span Loading have?
Thanks,
Mitsu
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Ki-64 as a perk? Hadn't thought of that one. I would still prefer a J7W1 as a Japanese perk, but I would settle for a Ki-64 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) .
Well, actually, it's the Ki-44, Ki-84, Ki-61, and J2M5 that I really want to see.
As for the Ki-44 FM in AH (I haven't looked at the exact numbers) but imagine a plane that has the maneuveribility of the AH190 with the climb rate of the AH109. Of course top end speed is lower, but it sure would be fun! That's just a 'crude' way of how I envision what the Ki-44s FM would be here. Hopefully the next 1.06 pic HTC let's out to wet our appetites some more will be of one of the Japanese birds listed above.
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Sundog
VMF-111 Devildogs (http://www.devildogs.com)
'Criticism is always easier then craftmanship.'
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I've said it before and I will say it again.........
KI84!!!!!!!!!!!!
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LLB, If you won't say "HAYATE DWEEEB!".... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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But from what I have read, wasn't there only a single Ki61-II made with the bubble canopy? (the modified -II, which was actually the -III prototype?) If so, then the razorback is more appropriate IMO.
Here are some pics of Ki-61-II Razorback.
(http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/photos/Ki-61-II_razorback.jpg)
Ki-61-II which "Koku Shinsabu" (Army Aviation Investigation Department?) used.
(http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/photos/Ki-61-II_razorback2.jpg)
Ki-61-II in the United States.
(http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/photos/Ki-61-II_bubblecanopy.jpg)
Bubble canopy Ki-61-II which 56 Sentai used.
However, I don't know whether Razorback Ki-61-IIs were used by any Sentai. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
-Mitsu