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Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: RoyofCA on May 29, 2002, 06:26:15 PM
This is from a HT employee in blue text on the main arena today at about 4:35 pm pst.

This is not my opinion, this is not me complaining, this is ONLY what HTC said about balance.

Here is the exact phrase:

Roy-- HT: Do you feel the game is balanced (air wise)

HTC-- Yes we do Roy.

Therefore, the la7, niki, spit, etc etc...they are all balanced, according to HTC.

For those of you new to MMOG, the term "balanced" means things should stay the way they are. HTC feels all planes are currently balanced at this time.

Just thought you would all like to hear what HTC thinks. Again, I am NOT stating ANY opinion on this subject or any other subject in this thread, only relaying what HTC said to me when I asked.

Thank you.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: Swoop on May 29, 2002, 06:30:25 PM
How does:

"Roy-- HT: Do you feel the game is balanced (air wise)

HTC-- Yes we do Roy. "


extend logically to: "Therefore, the la7, niki, spit, etc etc...they are all balanced, according to HTC."


?


Swoop
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: 2Late4U on May 29, 2002, 06:31:55 PM
While there are certainly some planes that are better than others overall, and every plane does some things better that others, I would agree that overall, things are fairly well balanced.

Sure there are those who complain about the La-7, the N1k2, the osty  etc.   But thats going to be the case until we have one plane to fly...and ain't that boring as all hell :rolleyes:

In the MA today you see a huge variety of planes, even those with lesser preformance get used at least occasionally.  There isnt a single plane that I can say Ive gone more than a day or two without seeing at least once, and to me, that means its working...whatever it happens to be.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: thrila on May 29, 2002, 06:37:17 PM
shane, could you possibly show that poster of your please.
Title: Re: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: Shane on May 29, 2002, 06:38:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by RoyofCA
This is from a HT employee in blue text on the main arena today at about 4:35 pm pst.


psssttt  that ain't no employee...

:D

and what do *you* mean by  "balanced?"  i read it differently than you're trying to say, i.e.,  the gameplay is balanced  with buffs, jabos, fighhters, gv's, etc etc...  the planeset has a long way to go to reflect WW2, but it's still damn good and always getting better.

if anything GV's is where a few more things are needed to be added and tweaked.

but rest assured, HTC is always working to bring us the best possible product.

Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: Shane on May 29, 2002, 06:39:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by thrila
shane, could you possibly show that poster of your please.


happy to oblige... :D
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: Karnak on May 29, 2002, 06:41:33 PM
RoyofCA ,

You most certainly are stating an opinion.  The words and their sequence that you picked set a mocking tone to your post.  You mention some aircraft that people commonly squeak about and expect to be seen as neutral?  It doesn't work that way.  None of us are truly unbiased, but trying to appear that way when you are in fact very biased is highly cynical.

As to HTC's position that the airwar is balanced, well, I agree.

All sides can fly all aircraft.  You can't get any more balanced than that.  To think that a Spit Ia should be equal and balanced with a Spit XIV is laughable in the extreme.  The same goes for the 109E-4 and 109G-10, or the 190A-5 and 152H-1.  Aircraft got better at their designed tasks as the war progressed.  No WWII based flight sim could begin to call itself a sim if the early stuff was just as good as the late stuff.

The way HTC has chosen to balance the late and early stuff is with ENY values and perk rewards for success, in and against, the various units in AH.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: Otto on May 29, 2002, 06:41:35 PM
From the far end of the lake a faint smell is detected.

Himmmm?

"Is that.....? "

"Could it be......."

"Yes....!    Yes....!"

" Cheese Balls......."
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: Swoop on May 29, 2002, 06:54:23 PM
And why does this thread's title quote HT as saying "all airplanes are balanced" when, in fact, he never said that?


Swoop
Title: No load out changes at Re-Arm pad
Post by: MuadDib of Dune on May 29, 2002, 07:13:00 PM
HT also said that the ability to change loadout option during the re-arm had been "considered and denied"...

That one was sort of too bad imo but hey, I just pay my $14.95
and plug away.

As far as balance?  WTF is that?  is a C47 balanced against a Me262?    duh
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: Dago on May 29, 2002, 07:26:43 PM
If memory serves me right, a "balanced" plane will normally try to regain a level flight attitude.

Roy, whats with the PITA posts?  You seem awful new to be posting all this stuff.

dago
Title: Re: No load out changes at Re-Arm pad
Post by: MrLars on May 29, 2002, 07:27:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MuadDib of Dune
HT also said that the ability to change loadout option during the re-arm had been "considered and denied"...

 


Lets just hope it was denied because of the length of time it would take away from other developement...we can always hope for it in the future ;)
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: MuadDib of Dune on May 29, 2002, 07:33:58 PM
Hope yer right lars,

Would sure have come in real handy about twenty dozen times ;)
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: poopster on May 29, 2002, 07:50:59 PM
Quote
"Yes....! Yes....!"

" Cheese Balls......."


LOL there ain't NOTHIN in this world like a GOOD cheese ball :D

I was getting my bellybutton handed to me while listening to your conversation Roy.

Reminds me quite a bit of those tee shirts you buy.

Ya put one on and there is "something" in the label that itches. You scratch your neck, go on with whatever you were doing, but THE Golly-gee THING KEEPS ITCHING.

You either spend all day scratching your neck, or you put on another shirt....

I've learned to change my shirt, and now have a greater appreciation for Shanes poster.

It says it all.

Change your shirt Roy, your necks gettin red.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: FDutchmn on May 29, 2002, 07:52:12 PM
wow RoyofCA... this is some scientific reporting.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: AKDejaVu on May 29, 2002, 08:20:39 PM
I sincerely hope that you make it through puberty soon Roy... these posts are really shedding a bad light on you in general.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: moose on May 29, 2002, 08:45:53 PM
I havent really read much of this whining about la7s or perks or bombers cuz it isnt worth the time

but every time i do click on those threads it seems that the same people instigate every single fight

I'm glad pyro is getting a little more liberal with his moderator powers because some people really do need some time to rethink what the hell they're saying because they look like total asses.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: BD on May 29, 2002, 08:50:02 PM
Roy,

You have an attitude son.  And it's irritating.

The general tone of your posts over the last few days has been overwhelmingly critical of both HTC and AH.  While I doubt sincerely that anyone would call the current state of AH "perfect", I think that most people understand that it is a constantly evolving product which has been produced by dedicated people with as much experience in the field as anyone.

One of the things I have enjoyed about AH since the beta days is that constructive criticism and suggestions are duly considered by HTC.  Are they all implemented? Of course not.  But the AH of today is a quantum leap beyond the beta version, and I expect that the AH of three years from now will be equally different and exciting.

I would suggest that you consider the tone of your posts.  I know that when I read what you have to say, the credibility of your comments is reduced to zero by the volume of the whining.

The thought that comes to mind first is "well, if this guy really doesn't like AH that much, why are is he bothering to play?".

Think about what you are saying, and just as importantly, how you say it.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: MrLars on May 29, 2002, 08:55:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by moose


I'm glad pyro is getting a little more liberal with his moderator powers because some people really do need some time to rethink what the hell they're saying because they look like total asses.


Remember the poll where we were asked what type of publications we read? I'll bet HTC is getting ready for some advertizing blitz and it would be sad to have them put out a substantual amount of money trying to get new players only to have them read these boards and get turned off by them. Waistng marketing cash is not wise...If I'm right, I see why their cracking down. If I'm wrong I'm still glad something is being done.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: muckmaw on May 29, 2002, 09:17:43 PM
OMFG SHANE!!!!!

That is HILARIOUS!!!!!

I can't stop laughing.

Oh man, that's the best!!!


Thanks, thats my new wallpaper!!!!
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: SKurj on May 29, 2002, 10:04:03 PM
talk about context...

SKurj

any game that lets u use the EXACT equipment as your opponent is 'balanced'
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: Swager on May 29, 2002, 10:30:02 PM
I feel the planes are in great shape!!  All have their strong points as well as weak ones.  Learn to use your plane's strenghts and exploit your enemy planes weekness and you can win.  

It takes alittle bit of flying time.

I tend to discover these points vice complaining. IT just seems more fun that way.  Since I pay HTC to fly a virtual plane in their creation,  I might as well get what I pay for.

IT must be terrible to pay $15 a month to enjoy a recreational activity and just look at the negative things.   Well to each his own!

I believe most of us realize HT believes the planes are balanced.  If he didn't believe they were balanced he'd probably fix them.

What would of been the outcome if he said, "Actually NO I do not believe the planes in AH are balanced!" ?

Just like when your wife (or girlfriend) ask you, "Do I look fat in this dress?"   There is only one possible answer!!

Have A Nice Day!!    :)

:)
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: EvilDingo on May 29, 2002, 10:38:34 PM
Wow, Roy is at it again! His last whine was how he managed to crash his 262 with auto-take off on.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: AvidMC on May 29, 2002, 11:02:40 PM
This just in....

"HT says that vodka martinis are better the gin martinis"!!!!

The fact that anyone in that organization would suggest that you can make a martini with vodka is unbelievable. And I'll have you know that I HAVE done test's. And they are ABSOLUTEly (no pun intended) off their collective rockers. A gin Martini stays an average of 5 degrees colder at 25k in a P47-D30 then a similar vodka based drink.

PERK THE GIN DAMIT!!!!!

HIC!!!! Avid  BURP!!!!
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: Toad on May 29, 2002, 11:07:07 PM
I always wonder when I read repeated affirmations of deep unhappiness......

Why do people voluntarily keep doing something that makes them unhappy?

Or is the the old "We're not happy until YOU'RE not happy" syndrome?

;)
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: KSB666 on May 30, 2002, 04:35:10 AM
I've played this game for almost a year, and I still suck.

I suck equally well in all planes, all maps, against all opponents, for all countries. That is true balance.

I've played almost every flight sim, as far back as JET. I sucked at them, too.

I also have enough sense to not post my every irritation, annoyance, or occurance of diaper rash in the text buffer or BBS.

Never once did I feel compelled to splatter the world with my opinion of someone else's coding ability for the primary fact that I have never written a flight sim and I do not believe I could do better.

Paying 15 bucks a monthe entitles you to play the game and post valid feedback. You don't like it? Spend your fifteen bucks at Chuck E. Cheese and leave everyone else in peace.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: aztec on May 30, 2002, 04:53:43 AM
What a sad and desperate attempt to find a whine that people will get behind. For the life of me I'll never understand why people stay here and play this game if they're so unhappy with it.

Something tells me you've been here before, can't be Towd, you spell too well.
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: JimC on May 30, 2002, 07:01:05 AM
Quote
Originally posted by KSB666
I've played this game for almost a year, and I still suck.

I suck equally well in all planes, all maps, against all opponents, for all countries. That is true balance.

I've played almost every flight sim, as far back as JET. I sucked at them, too.

I also have enough sense to not post my every irritation, annoyance, or occurance of diaper rash in the text buffer or BBS.

Never once did I feel compelled to splatter the world with my opinion of someone else's coding ability for the primary fact that I have never written a flight sim and I do not believe I could do better.

Paying 15 bucks a monthe entitles you to play the game and post valid feedback. You don't like it? Spend your fifteen bucks at Chuck E. Cheese and leave everyone else in peace.


HERE!! HERE!!!....I'll second ALL of that! :D
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: K West on May 30, 2002, 07:46:31 AM
Rgr that Aztec. And what's worse is he's probably this much of a squeak to his mom when she's serves cold spaghetti or doesn't fold his laundry and put it away right.

 Three years ago there wasn't to much in the way of options for a WWII aircombat game/sim type. Now there are plenty (but luckily for us there's only one HTC crew).

  Westy
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: -tronski- on May 30, 2002, 08:04:36 AM
Context baby, context.....

 Tronsky
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: hazed- on May 30, 2002, 08:25:15 AM
EVEN MORE BREAKING NEWS!!!



3 weeks ago HT said

"i think..."

then 2 days later

"hangtime"

then a week after ..

"is in love with.."

and today he mentioned...

"kurt tank"

ok so we edited and pasted words out of context and took what we needed to draw our own conclusions........but hey..........ITS THE TRUTH!!!!


on a serious note ...What is your point here? we all know HTC thinks the game is balanced right at the moment after all they decide the costs of planes and which ones to introduce...
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: gofaster on May 30, 2002, 09:15:45 AM
The game is balanced.  Everyone has equal access to all planes.  They could introduce the F-86 Sabre into the planeset and it would still be balanced because everyone could fly the F-86 (or, assuming it would be perked, then everyone would have equal access to earn the perk points to get the F-86).

So don't sweat if one plane is better than another, or one GV is better than another, because everyone has an equal shot at getting to use it/them.  The only limiter is pilot skill (which I don't have, and that's why I'm usually in a Spitfire, P-51D, Corsair, or Hellcat).
Title: HT: "All airplanes are balanced"
Post by: Pyro on May 30, 2002, 11:21:24 AM
Roy, you are guilty of one of two things-

Trolling.

Appearing to troll.

Only you can make that determination.  If it's the latter, I'd recommend reviewing the goals of your posts and find a productive way to express and achieve them.