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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hazed- on December 18, 2001, 02:27:00 PM
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What the hell is going on?
The CT was as good as an historic arena with realistic matchups which when we had the numbers was fantastic.
The arena suffered because little attention was paid to it!
The map was bugged, had no strategy system in place, no capture and the date or era wasnt changed frequently enough.Its been stuck on the late plane set for weeks.
We knew all this as we played it but I for one still enjoyed it as a nice break from fighting BS 109 vs nik fights.
People that dont care what plane fights what would be just as happy in MA!
Im sorry but i read pyros post on the CT and i felt encouraged that they would give us a good REAL map with a much more involved or difficult capture system!! DAMN IT I wanted as REAL as we could make it not some roadkill what if crap.
I realise maybe HTC want it filled with players to lighten the load on the main servers but turning it into MA no.2 but with limited planeset is totally mad! even stupid!
I logged in saw my choice .......
fly LW and fight f6fs and f4uds on a map ive PLAYED TO DEATH !!!! jesus i couldnt think of anything worse.
I think the reason the CT was failing was purely down to the slow nature of the rolling plane set, coupled with the bugs and lack of capture system.
Also it seemed to me that if theres not 10 guys or more in it noone enters.This isnt because people wouldnt enjoy it, its just no one wants to play in a large map with a few people.I think the only way it will ever fill is if it was the only arena open but that isnt a viable answer.
People say there isnt enough of us that want the historic stuff and that the CT proves it but I say it was the sheer lack of reason to play in there that is killing it.There is no score system to keep track of, not much choice in tactics besides bombing or jabo to hit fuels and dogfighting.flak firing at you on take off, no feeling of being in a war just sterile fights.
Well im sorry but as a fan of historic matchups and flying that isnt my idea of a historic type arena.It was almost an afterthought.
Im real dissapointed in the new set up.
Sheesh the MA is furballing BOREDOM and the CT will end up the same.
Give us at least one place where we have real maps with accurate matchups PLEASE
and let us players control the changes in year/era of the wars that were fought on these maps
If HTC think they need american planes to get US people in CT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE use a REAL map of the Pacific theatre and REALISTIC enemy planes! as in IJN.
rant over
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Hazed, CT staff is developing things out there, but they just formed up! Let's give them some time ok?
:)
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XO 348th FG "Kearby's Thunderbolts"
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Check the Combat Theater forum.
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The main problem, hazed, is that when asking 100 different people what the CT should be like, you'll get 100 different answers. Everyone can get a bit of what they don't want in the MA today... why mess with the CT.
I gave up on it some time ago for a very simple reason: nobody would chose to play AH in a historical manner... they'd have to be forced. I saw more furballs in the CT than the MA. Hell.. its first two weeks were nothing but someone parking a CV off of France and endless spitV vs 109 battles with instaspawning.
Historical matchups are worthless in a completely a-historic environment. There's so much wrong with the way people chose to play in that arena that I'd just rather avoid it all together.
AKDejaVu
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S!
Next saturday is new CT launch day!!
cu up there!
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XO 348th FG "Kearby's Thunderbolts"
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Ditto, will be there!
Now if I can just talk hblair into flying that damn "one-oh-nine" of his straight and level long enough for me to get a shot off....... :D
Hazed, I know what ya mean, and how ya feel, give these guys a chance to get something going......
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Rude, this looks like a good candidate!
J_A_B
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I think it's a good development. Probably won't be perfect right away, but that is a rather tall order. Pyro and co. will continue to hammer away at it, refine it and improve it, just as they do everything else.
Will be interesting to see how the radar setting goes over. There seemed to be a large camp in favor of exactly this setting on the bbs, so I'm sure Pyro is quite interested in how it plays out.
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Read this:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000116 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000116)
Sounds pretty good to me.
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Hazed, I'm sorry you don't like the planeset. I hate to break it to you, but Royal Navy Corsairs and Hellcats fought the Luftwaffe. The planeset is "realistic". :)
I'm sorry you don't like the map either. We don't have any "realistic" maps. Some of them look like real terrains in clipboard view, but they are shrunken down and lose all tactical and strategic "realism" as a result. As soon as somebody makes a 1:1 scale map of a WWII combat zone then we will have "realistic" maps. Until then all we have are fantasy maps.
We will have a new setup this Saturday per Hblair's post in the Combat Theater forum. I hope you like that one better. :)
[ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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bah, british navy pilots. Might as well have nuns swearing at the 109's. :D ;)
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They did real well against LW too IIRC. This setup sounds ok to me, its pretty close to being historic.
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Originally posted by J_A_B:
Rude, this looks like a good candidate!
J_A_B
My thought exactly!! It's just in time for Wednesday too! :)
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JAB and MAV suck my fat one since you two are already up each others bellybutton eh?
This is no whine , this is a full blown complaint.
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S!
If there's dedicated ppl putting efforts for community (CT staff), the least thing we can do to respect their work is atleast check it out. Few sorties wouldn't take too much anyone's time and I bet it's great fun.
On the other hand, I think Hazed is just one of hblair's messangers and this is definitely a heavily baited troll! If it's purpose is to draw attention for CT, it's working wery well.
:)
<spitting bait out>
cyas there!
-vector
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WFT? WHine this, whine that, CHRIST!!!! people been bending over backwards trying to help this game and for everyone that post something possitive theres 5000 negative post. I Busted my diddlyin bellybutton making maps with the terrain editor since the day it was released. I asked what people wanted to see, got VERY few replies. I guess the post was overshadowed with all the diddlying garbage and negativity on the diddlying boards. Sometimes I even wonder why people volunteer to do stuff, when all the're gonna recieve is a diddlyin huge bellybutton ache.
Anyone that has an oppinion,
before you post, think about picking up the editor and create you own diddlying map with strats and make a diddlying really easy map, and I'll see you in a diddlying year, and then tear it all to poop, with negativity and sarcasm, how i hate it so diddlyin much!
The CM team is working hard, and volunteer their own time, Cut em some slack.
NUTTZ
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Amen NUTTZ......... ;)
Really hazed, make up a terrain for AH, make it a good one, real as you can get......maybe you will have it in a year, maybe 18 months.....and then NUTTZ and the others who have been making then for us in their own time can rip your map to pieces and make snide remarks, and YOU can get pissed off like NUTTZ is........then maybe you will back off and think before you type. Personally, I don't really care from one time to the next what terrain is in use. I go in, fly, GV, whatever I want to do, and go on. But you can bet your bellybutton I would at least try to make a terrain of my own before I started running off my mouth about how bad the ones we have are. But, I guess that is just how I am, seeing as I am "U.S.", and an "American". :D :D
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This is one friggin funny thread.
lazs
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Hazed,
You can complain all you want...no problem.
Your post is premature however since the CT TEAM doesn't unveil the new arena until SATURDAY.
After that your complaint may be submitted because right now it is just a "temp" set-up.
One more thing. I expect that the arena will see changes in planeset and terrian on a regular basis. Some people may like them...some may not.
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Sounds to me like a certain LostWaffle went swimming in salt water with a leather thong on...
-SW
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Hehe, lazs. ;)
People forget they are yelling at volunteers, sometimes. Never ceases to amaze me, really...
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Alright, please contain your laughter....but...Where can I find out more about the CT?
One of the problems facing CT is the fact that newer guys (like me) have no idea what it's all about!
It might be exactly what we are looking for, but we just don't know enough about it.
Could someone post a link where I can read up on CT?
Thanks in Advance.
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Here you go muck. :)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000116 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000116)
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Originally posted by Muck:
Alright, please contain your laughter....but...Where can I find out more about the CT?
One of the problems facing CT is the fact that newer guys (like me) have no idea what it's all about!
It might be exactly what we are looking for, but we just don't know enough about it.
Could someone post a link where I can read up on CT?
Thanks in Advance.
The CT will be a historic "Main" arena, when you enter that arena, a pop up panel will explain to you what the CT is currently running regarding planeset, icons, radar. Thats it. Nothing left to tell except you don't have to worry about a LA-7 coming in at 200 mph closure rate while you're flying your Hurricane! ;)
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I hadnt read hblairs post on the new CT team.
All i did was enter the CT expecting to have my usual fix of historicly matched fights and got some handsomehunkED US navy vs LW in the uterus map.
All this other toejam about being ungratefull to the volenteers is irrelevent and BS seeing as how when i posted this I had no idea about saturday and the proposals by hblair WHICH btw are more in line with what i expected a CT or HA arena to be like.
Now that i have seen what hblair has said it sort of calms my anger somewhat.
NUTTZ I dont know where you got the idea that im complaining about people who make maps OR about the maps they have made.
IF you read what i said you will see that I COMPLAINED that the CT had the damn uterus map in it which I am quite sick of due to over use not because i feel its design is flawed.
As to the make your own maps crap, WHY on earth would i need to when there are plenty of excellent maps that i NEVER see used in AH?
NORWAY,MEDITERANEAN,LUZONS',STALINGRAD,PACIFIC ISLANDS,ENGLISH channel one that WAS in CT(even with bugs).
Put these maps in the CT before ANY of the MA ones if only for a bit of variety.
SO TO RESTATE MY COMPLAINT IN SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND TERMS SO YOU GUYS CAN ACTUALLY GRASP WHAT I ACTUALLY COMPLAINED ABOUT INSTEAD OF TYING TO PICK HOLES OR ADD YOUR OWN INTERPRETATIONS..........
1. DONT TURN THE CT INTO A FANTASY MA #2
2. USE MAPS OTHER THAN THE MA ONES
3. WHAT EVER PLANES WE USE MAKE THEM AN HISTORIC MATCHUP(i prefer LW but Im happy to use USAAF IF they fight the planes they did in WW2)
You fail to understand that the HA idea was what I wanted from AH from the very start.
when the CT arrived I did my damndest to support it and encouraged others to try it.I sat in there ALONE for hours at a time to at least make people look to see it.
I know its unreasonable but the CT suffered from a SEVERE lack of maintenance ie the map was changed once(?) and the rolling planeset idea was run through ONCE and left stuck in the late war planes.
we never got a chance to see the hurricane in a BOB type setting (admitedly its wrong hurry but I would like to have seen it in there)
You people are acting as if the CT was empty therfore there was of no interest and people like me have no say in how its set up because of it, and I explained why i thought this was so.
Laz,swulfe,mav,jabb WHOEVER, why dont you just stop with the DIG(retort) OF THE WEEK competition and instead say why YOU think the way the CT has been set is right for the CT? but then Laz never uses it does he?
Id like to know what the CT is going to be.
If its not historic or as near as is possible with the game then call it MA#2 and I simply wont care what happens in there. BUT after waiting months for HTC to promote it a little and hearing positive news in the form of CM staff being chosen my first taste of the NEW CT was a bitter pill to swallow.
flame all you like but i feel I have at least some right with all those damn hours i spent flying alone AND BORED trying to get the place going.A dull task i think you'll agree but sometimes I wasnt alone, and when things did pick up in there it was among the best fighting ive had.
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Are you building the new CT areana?
CRASH
Originally posted by NUTTZ:
WFT? WHine this, whine that, CHRIST!!!! people been bending over backwards trying to help this game and for everyone that post something possitive theres 5000 negative post. I Busted my diddlyin bellybutton making maps with the terrain editor since the day it was released. I asked what people wanted to see, got VERY few replies. I guess the post was overshadowed with all the diddlying garbage and negativity on the diddlying boards. Sometimes I even wonder why people volunteer to do stuff, when all the're gonna recieve is a diddlyin huge bellybutton ache.
Anyone that has an oppinion,
before you post, think about picking up the editor and create you own diddlying map with strats and make a diddlying really easy map, and I'll see you in a diddlying year, and then tear it all to poop, with negativity and sarcasm, how i hate it so diddlyin much!
The CM team is working hard, and volunteer their own time, Cut em some slack.
NUTTZ
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Why didn't you simply apply or ask to be on the team that was developing things for the Combat Theater?
The best way to get things done, is to do them yoself.
-SW
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agreed swulfe, HOWEVER pyro called for CT staff with previous CM experience.
I have no previous experience so...well you work it out.
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Take two and don't post till tommorow morning.
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I tried to read Nuttz's post aloud but the censor-beeps got awful annoying :)
Hazed, wonderful timing, you blew a wonderful hole in your foot. Had you been reading, and maybe posting in the Combat Theater, you'd see a great deal of discussion and work was going on in regards to it.
Way to go... :rolleyes: Need any help yanking that foot out of your mouth? hehe
Hang in there!
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Originally posted by hazed-:
agreed swulfe, HOWEVER pyro called for CT staff with previous CM experience.
I have no previous experience so...well you work it out.
well ... I wouldn't exactly call what hblair did previously as "experience". :p
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Hey! It's an experience to me!
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Hazed,
I won't make this personal as I don't want to be at your level.
I just want to point out an observation that you yourself made. You said you wanted a HA with emphasis on historical match ups and a realistic map. You got it in the "old" CT. The fact that you yourself sat there for hours alone should tell you something about the viability of the original concept. It obviously wasn't a big hit as it was set up.
HT is in the business of listening to and catering to customers. That is how he and his employees make their living. Unless you are going to take up the load of those customers who are NOT currently using the CT as a VIABLE arena you really haven't got much of a complaint. If the arena takes off and gets up to a fair amount of traffic, your position will be even more plain as the odd man out.
Let them finish what they have started and try it out. Don't just blow it off before it happens.
Finally BTW the F6 vs LW WAS a historical matchup. The Brits used it on escort CV's in the Atlantic. If they gave you a "historical" map of the Pacific it might just end up being only water as that pond is rather large. That would limit you to cv vs cv only. It would be even MORE boring than the "uterus" and far more restrictive in game play. Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it and be even more alone.
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[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Maverick ]
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Originally posted by Maverick:
Finally BTW the F6 vs LW WAS a historical matchup. The Brits used it on escort CV's in the Atlantic. If they gave you a "historical" map of the Pacific it might just end up being only water as that pond is rather large. That would limit you to cv vs cv only. It would be even MORE boring than the "uterus" and far more restrictive in game play. Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it and be even more alone.
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Maverick ]
yeah f6fs fighting LW 109s and 190s over the atlantic was common as muck right? how many times did it occour? ever?? show me the proof as you guys love to say.then find data on F4uds and Tbms fighting ju88s and 190f8s eh? GOOD LUCK with that one.
maybe they fought long range condors or straffed a few uboats i dont know but I certainly cant find a single reference to F6/F4u/Tbm vs 190/109/ju88 fights.
As for me somehow asking for a CV vs CV in the pacific(?? i assume you meant atlantic) fight? LW never had an aircraft carrier so what are you going on about??.I dont mind F6fs flying and fighting IJN (in pacific isles map we have in SEA on occation) or LW in the MED (only place i would guess 109 vs f6 could possibly occour?) but i do object heavily to fantasy maps with aircraft pitted against each other that Ive never read a single account of or have seen proof of.
oh and btw......
Originally posted by Maverick:
I won't make this personal as I don't want to be at your level.
wont make it personal eh? well that was a great start.What i would like to know is where in all of this i got personal with anybody? I'll tell you where shall i ?.......here.....MAV you are a moron :)
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Hazed,
I said Pacific for a true "historical" sea match up. Please read for comprehension. As to anything further, you have a serious need to grow up and are no longer worth any of my time.
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and im telling you MAV that I didnt ask for a histoical pacific map consisting of a vast ocean and nothing else. Youre on your own in that one.I said i prefer LW so why would i want a pacific ocean map??? "please read for comprehension"? if you write nonsense its a bit hard to comprehend mate.
and so the proof of 109s/190s vs F6s?
oh i see you dont have any do you? so you call me childish and slip off? hmm how can i argue with such wisdom coming from MARVIN THE MARTIAN??
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
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"Sounds to me like a certain LostWaffle went swimming in salt water with a leather thong on...
-SW "
Toad.. you getting this?
hazed... no, I don't fly in the CT. Not saying I never would but so far... NO. Still, not to be pissy but... isn't there a "CT forum"?? Oh wait... it's deserted.
lazs
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hazed, when you log into the CT now, what does the Message say?
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it says US navy vs Luftwaffe, it says 1.5 fuel multiplyer. after that i logged :)
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Did you see the word "interum"?
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Hazed, My post wasn't directed at you personally. I thought about not putting in the "F" word, but it seams thats the only way to get the message across in these boards lately.
There was a discussion in the CT folder that was pretty informative where people offered their oppinions pro's and cons.
I'm just sick of people bashing the CM team or people who volunteer their time to improve gameplay in AH. Although that may not been your intent.
Crash, No i am not making the CT map, ( although the CT Team is well aware they have my services whenever needed) I AM however working on 3 maps for the CT team, none as a member of the Team. I WILL submit them to the CT team and hope for the best.
NUTTZ
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[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Maniac ]
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as said before:
Don't complain so much about the hard work others are doing unless you are willing to put forth your own efforts.
<S> to those that are trying to improve things and trying to give people what they say they want. It is that positivie attitude that continues to improve the game.
Hell, if you want whining you should go visit the WB board... ;)
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Xmas day, 1940, the British Martlet (F4F) shot down a JU88, the first German aircraft to fall to a US plane.
Page 102 of "Hellcat" - Barret Tillman
Has a photograph of an F6F with four Nazi kill victories on it and the caption reads:
"Alred R Wood and Ltn jg Edward W Olszewski with the VOF-1 Hellcat in which they shot down four German aircraft over southern France. On 20 August 1944 Wood destroyed two HE-111s near Lyon. The next day Olszewski shot down a pair of JU52s in the same F6F-5."
But most people don't think of F6Fs and F4Us fighting FWs and 109s and it just doesn't seem normal. However, we have to make due w/ a limited plane set. One day...one day.. Wildcats and Warhawks.
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"But most people don't think of F6Fs and F4Us fighting FWs and 109s and it just doesn't seem normal."
They did. F4F, F6F and F4u's. The Germans even captured a ditched "FAA" F4U in Norway.
Westy