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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Killjoy2 on May 30, 2002, 10:57:18 AM
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Automatic Allies
When 1 country is outnumbered by a determined percentage it is automaticalled allied with the next weakest.
Viola!
The alliance balances the arena and makes for some serious strategy. When the balance changes, the countries split up again.
We all want to fly our country, to change countries and to see the game evolve more sratedgy, missions and fun.
BTW could this work for historical countires? A Germany, Italy, England, America, Japan in the same arena. The arena allies them based on numbers and historical precedents. Still 2 or 3 sides, you can fly any country you want and still not be badly outnumbered.
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Yeah ... and when the balance changes back and the alliance is broken and myself along with many other countrymen are caught deep inside the previous allianced country ... no thanks.
From what I have read, 1.10 will be bringing with it new maps and a new strat ... why don't we wait till we see what that is all about before we try to re-invent what will be old ... soon I hope ... I heard it was coming in 2 weeks !!! ;)
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Not so,
Rooks still take off from rook bases. NIghts take off from Night bases.
When the alliance changes you are still in your county at your base.
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I am confused then ...
If the Knights and the Ruuks were in an alliance, could it not be possible that we would be helping each other defend a strategic base?
If so, then its possible that I could be helping defend a Ruuk base near their HQ, then all of a sudden, the numbers shift, and the alliance is broken ... guess what ... yup ... dead meat ... deep in the Ruuk homeland !!!
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Slapshot as if you weren't dead meat anyway if you were at a 10km radius of a rook with fuel and ammo onboard. :p
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Lol, I thought the nitz and nookz were already allied.:D
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Well that would be the only logical thing to do when facing an enemy which outnumbers both combined.
Unfortunately there always seems to be a few players who can't think further than their own noses point.
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we all know that bishops have the majority most times. but i think that the problem goes beyond that even with numbers if both knights and rooks attack us using strategy we pretty much get our butts kicked. this in turn is due to the fact that not everyone on a team likes to do the same thing. some people play just to furball and it's their right, their money. this results in squabbles and infighting and eventually most often leads to self-sabotage at least that's how the strategic bish see it. anyways enough of that stuff here's my idea...
only allow side switching once per map and if possible don't allow a player to switch to a side that has a huge advantage in bases/#s. also increase the time that you have to be on a side for b4 being eligible for perk points (should the side win) to 24 hours.
bish may have the numbers advantage most times but most times we're not coordinated :rolleyes: as for those 8 vs 1 fights don't get into um those are the somewhat coordinated bish :)
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Slapshot as if you weren't dead meat anyway if you were at a 10km radius of a rook with fuel and ammo onboard. :p
Be nice now ... I have killed almost twice as many more Bishops than I have killed Rooks this tour (and thats by choice) ... I might have to change my strategy next tour.
:D
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I think its a good Idea if there is a situation where one side out numbers the other 2 combined an alliance is created.
When the numbers chang back to less than that alliance is broken.
ie bish 500 rooks 200 knight 250
rooks fly from only rook bases.
kights fly only from knight bases and kill shoot is turned on between the too countries
this is so you could have a 2 front war with the one country that is out numbering every one else and eliminate all 3 countries haveing the 2 front war when out numbered.
but when the bish number drops below that of out numbering the 2 other countries the alliance is broken.
well my 2 cents
box:rolleyes:
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Thats more like the idea.
When countries are allied, they go to a green icon and killshooter is turned on. But you can only fly from you own base.
I think think the parameters could be set up to avoid spikes in numbers. Maybe tie the number of bases into the equasion.
This could actually make a historical main arena work.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
This could actually make a historical main arena work.
In what part of WW2 did the alliances change every time one of the three antagonists gained a numerical advantage over the other two? :rolleyes: What history book was that in, I must have missed it.
Did it ever occur to you that HTC probably thought about this problem (numerical advantage for a particular side) from the very beginning? Do you think three sides was a random "throw a dart at the wall" choice? Is it possible that they monitor the goings on in the MA and do what is necessary to keep the game fresh and interesting?
Can you possibly wait until 1.10 with its big maps, buff boxes and other additions (or subtractions) to see how these changes affect the game?
Or must we continue to "distress ourselves with dark imaginings"?
;)
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Yes Toad I'm pretty sure the bigger map and buff boxes will make us forget that there are more 2x bishops with 100 players having time only to fly the buff boxes while others easily defend any given attack 1:1.
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Not opposed or for this idea but....
What happens when one of the allied countries lose more territory than the other (maybe a lot more), then numbers subside and the alliance is off?
SOB
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It would be in the best interest of both allies to try to prevent each side from reset so I don't think that would become a problem. We have to keep in mind that this kind of alliance would take place only if one side outnumbered the rest with a HUGE margin.
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Perhaps not a huge problem, but surely you could recognize that it will happen. Since each respective country of the alliance wouldn't be able to take off from the other's fields, there would often be a two sided front, but that doesn't mean that the country with numbers will be at both fronts in force. No doubt you've experienced the huge push on one front by a country while their other front is getting mowed over with little resistance. I like to call this the "Bishop Principle" :D, but I'm sure it happens in other countries too.
SOB
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
that there are more 2x bishops with 100 players
You continually generalize based solely on the times YOU fly.
I'm sorry that YOU always find this situation.
However, please realize that in the 24 hour cycle it is NOT always the same as YOU apparently find it.
But feel free to continue to distress yourself with dark imaginings. BTW, did you hear that EVERYONE is QUITTING when 1.10 comes out because we all know exactly how the buffs are going to work and it's just not going to work out? We KNOW this.
So, enjoy. We're down to the very few very last days of AH. The END is NEAR!
Guess we should all repent, eh?
:D
BTW, how's your BBS campaign to get folks to switch out of Bishland going? It's a unique approach you're taking..... does it work you think?
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Toad I think it played a part with knight squads moving to rooks. It seems that bish players do not want to balance the sides so the moves didn't help at all.
So I'm left with the conclusion that the game won't fix itself by players own initiative, either something forced happens or I'll gravitate out of the game eventually.
I'm tired of logging on just to see bish milkrun bases 50 vs 18. I can go and kill 8 of them in a succesfull sortie, but then I have to rtb and they capture the field (which is left undefended) anyway. What's the point to play anymore?
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
What's the point to play anymore?
There ya go!
When you talk it through on the BBS, your true desire is revealed unto yourself!
Glad we could all be of service in helping you find your way.
Good luck to you sir!
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Ta hell with Fatty & Funked, Toad. Give the Wit of the Week award to yourself. :D
SOB
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So Toad you think that by having your bishop gangbanging sessions long enough and driving most of the other country's players away from the game you'll have more fun?
I doubt it. The playerbase will get smaller and the arena will be even more imbalanced since all bish are so 'country loyal.'
I don't WANT to leave this game. But you and your friends retarded idea of gameplay may well force me to - alongside with many knights and rooks who may have or will leave because of this.
At least I'll be in Greece for the july, I'll reconsider after that.
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Tell ya what Ripley, make up a list of Bishop squads and players. You can decide how many players need to transfer out, and send out assignments to everyone indicating which countries they should be transferring to. Put me at the top of your list, I'll go fly for a month in whatever country you choose.
SOB
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That's a very gallant offer SOB.
I prefer to see what HT had in mind with correcting the balance.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
So Toad you think that by having your bishop gangbanging
Here's the part you still don't get:
When I play the Bish are often outnumbered and in the process of being reset.
Read that again.
Now read that again.
So YOUR problem is also MY problem. In fact I'll wager just about everyone playing the game experiences this problem to some degree on a routine basis.
Now what's the difference between you and me?
Well, one of us is having a life crisis snit over an online computer game.
The other one is enjoying the heck out of life.
Maybe this just isn't for you. Maybe the "gaminess" of three continually unbalanced sides is too much for you.
You know what you want to do to show the rest of us dumb bassards how you feel and make us all sorry we weren't nicer to you and stuff.
Go ahead, pull the trigger. :D
Here's a new's flash just in for you though. The game isn't LOSING players, it's GAINING players. It'll gain a bunch more with 1.10 I'll wager.
The Bish/Rook/Knight numbers thing has been going on since day one.. with the concomitent crying.... the game still grew month by month.
I'm sure HTC is aware of all these rivers of tears and is monitoring the situation. I'll even wager THEY know how many resets have been won by each side in each tour (unlike YOU or ME or anyone else here) and I bet they can quickly graph country numbers hour by hour in the arena. So, if it TRULY needs fixing, I'm sure they'll act. However, if it's merely a problem of totally incorrect perceptions on the part of a few players, I doubt they'll mess with a very successful game formula.
So if you want to make a big statement and show your discontent.. go ahead. I think AH will survive despite the incredible loss. I'm sure some other nattering nabob of negativity will man his keyboard to soften the blow. :rolleyes:
Because the vast majority of people playing realize what an absolute blast this is.. outnumbered or not........ and also what an incredible entertainment value it is at roughly 50 cents a day.
Oh, btw...... you can feel OK about leaving because I signed up a friend at the airshow yesterday. He'll be joining shortly as a paying customer. So, you've already been replaced. In your honor though, I'll have him fly as a BISHOP!
:D
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Toad you yourself have missed the several posts where I've over and over stated that I'm talking about euro timezone and I don't give a cornered rats bellybutton about what happens when I'm at sleep. Like you don't seem to care.
So in that sense your attack was way off.
Now what's the difference between you and me?
Well, one of us is having a life crisis snit over an online computer game.
The other one is enjoying the heck out of life.
Heh, you're the one confusing life with a computer game it seems. I'm posting here because I'd like to get a better value for the few hours I and other knights/rooks pay and spend on this game in eurozone let this be stressed in case you missed my previous text again.
Out of curiosity, what kind of numbers are you bish facing on your timezone? Are you daily facing 2:1 numbers or worse? I've played almost all night on some occasions and I haven't witnessed a huge rook / knight advantage lately. A few months ago the situation seemed really unbalanced on US prime time though.
You see, Toad, even though it may seem I'm attacking bishops in general but in reality I'm trying to make people realise that the problem you also seem to be facing needs to be looked after. Or do you really enjoy logging daily to see your virtual country in virtual trouble with huge streams of virtual enemy flocking to capture virtually undefended virtual fields?
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
... I've over and over stated that I'm talking about euro timezone and I don't give a cornered rats bellybutton about what happens when I'm at sleep. Like you don't seem to care.
Yet your on the BBS continually crying that "it just isn't fair" and people should switch sides just to solve a Euro timzone problem? :rolleyes:
..... and I'm not attacking you. I'm disagreeing with you over the nature of the problem. Lots of folks seem to take disagreement as a personal attack though. Interestingly it seems to me to be the ones that basically aren't happy here because things aren't just they way they want them to be.
Additionally, I'm suggesting that if a silly little computer game that costs 50 cents a month is causing you such distress you should perhaps consider doing something else for entertainment. After all, entertainment shouldn't RAISE your irritation level, it should lower it. If AH were causing me continual irritiation I'd drop out right away. It wouldn't be prudent to pay to irritate yourself, would it?
I play US evenings. Most nights the numbers are reasonably balanced. Of course, my definition of reasonably balanced is probably different than yours. Usually no one side is more than 30-40% greater than another. However, I've also been on when the Rooks had 2X the Bish or the Knights and when the reverse was also true.
The last two nights I got to play the Bish were down to about 5-6 fields when I logged in and the downhill slide continued. Usually, when one country gets down, the other two both try to finish the job. So, I fought defensively against bad odds both nights... and got my butt shot off a lot. :D This happened even though the numbers weren't extremely[/b] out of balance. Of course, as the onslaught continued some Bish logged out of frustration and it got more lopsisded.
I, however, had a great time. Had some truly great fights, including one against Alaskn in his La-7 against my 205.
So, bottom line is that just about every player experiences the fight against overwhelming odds routinely. Some more than others. Not everyone has a life crisis over it, however.
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Toad you should have realised something in your post..
You seem to be able to mostly play with reasonable odds, 20-30% differences are not bad at all..
While on the other hand I would also like to play on similar circumstances because I really like this game and would also like to have fun with it.
Now because the situation has been constantly lopsided, it's difficult to get that fun out of it like it has been. It's still fun but not like it used to.
What you're saying really is 'too bad dude, this game sucks for you at that time and you should just quit playing.'
What I'm saying is there is a problem on euro time and I'd personally like to see if anything can be done about it. Maybe it will go away on its own, afterall summer is here and many people stop playing with better things to do.
Like I said, I'll be a full month completely without computer, on the beach bar drinking cold beverages and checking out topless girls on the beach and once I return from there (regretfully I have to.. :) ) I hope things will have changed on our zone also.
I'm not accusing you Toad personally or other bishs that aren't involved in this.
As you have seen this thread was not started by me and signs are there are more and more players who agree with me on this.
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bishops were being slaughtered by knights last night and we had superior #s so we need those numbers to keep it even it's only when we feel like getting organized that we're a threat otherwise we just plain suck. there's no cooperation no 6 calls no help when a mission is at a base everyone goes and does their own thing instead of looking at the bigger picture and staying close to the field helping countrymen/women get airborne safely. i tell ya it's utter chaos in bishland most times. :D
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hehe utter chaos in biscuit land , thats funny :) we need to see more of that !!!
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Is this what a hijacking looks like?
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Heh, yeah I'd say it's a pretty good example. Sorry :)
SOB
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The problem as I see it is that some folks think "it only happens to us rooks/bish/knights" which is absolute balderdash. Beyond that, numbers themselves don't tell the story.
Here it is 2032 CDT in the US. I just logged in on the other computer.
Numbers:
Bish 156
Knights 142
Rooks 163
Not bad right?
Except the Bish own 6 bases, three airfields and three vehicle bases. All are capped and under heavy attack.
There is ONE.. repeat ONE sector that shows knights fighting rooks.
Basically the Bish are getting ganged by both of the other sides.
Now, I could go crying...... but instead I'm going flying. :D
It's been this way the last three times I logged in but I don't care.
You care. Must be tough to be you. Just a game to me. If I didn't enjoy it, I guarantee you I wouldn't do it.
Cya up there!
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Update:
Flew for about an hour until Bish were reset by Rooks.
Never took off from any field that wasn't capped.
Never could get more than 25% gas.
Flew the 205, landed a few with 3 kills, died in a few with 5+ kills. Think my best may have been 6 or 7 kills.
In a 25% fuel 205 that sucks up the gas.
What a turnin' burnin' blast!
I love this stuff.
Of course....... YMMV!
:D
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That's ok Toad if your definition of fun is to be vulched every day..
One would think though that you get tired of that sooner or sooner.
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I gave out more than I took.
Yep, I'd call that fun.
You probably should find another way to entertain yourself. AH isn't ever going to be "fair" and it doesn't look like you can get over that fact.
:D
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Maybe. It's quite a shock there are so many dweeby players, but I should have known human nature.
At least the H2H arena's have hosts regulating uneven teams, looks like there's more chivalry in h2h than in the main.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Maybe. It's quite a shock there are so many dweeby players, but I should have known human nature.
At least the H2H arena's have hosts regulating uneven teams, looks like there's more chivalry in h2h than in the main.
if you expect fairness in the MA you would better try to find another game ...
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Straffo there are none that I know of. All are played by humans and I don't know any flight sims that would require team balance like most fps games do for example.
Imagine playing MOH with 10 allied and 1 german.. LOL.
In any case I'm getting over the AH burnout I've had. Lately I've just flown dweeby planes, furballed and ackstarred in low alt buffs. I think I'll practise spawn point camping etc. fun activities next. The game does seem to be much more fun without worrying about the strat aspect for nothing.
OTOH vacation is increasingly near and the whole concept of AH seems less and less appealing to me. Maybe I'll be back after the summer, maybe not.
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For me MA is just a training for TOD or scenario :)
So I don't really care of fairness gangbang ackstaring ...
It's annoying when a country is in the bucket ... nothing a good book can't cure ;)
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Maybe. It's quite a shock there are so many dweeby players, but I should have known human nature.
At least the H2H arena's have hosts regulating uneven teams, looks like there's more chivalry in h2h than in the main.
Ah, the mournful sadness of nobility lost! Where have all the chivalrous lords and their ladies gone?
Almost brings a tear to one's eye, does it not?
No one will play FAIR with you! What injustice! What pathos!
Don't you just HATE it when people fly planes you don't want them to fly? When they fly in ways you don't think they should fly? Those DWEEBS! Those unchivalric QUAKERS! Have you realized that some guys actually fly historically good planes, do well in them and then have the nerve to ENJOY themselves? Disgusting. But what can you expect from mere humans? The masses are just not NOBLE; that's always been the problem through history, hasn't it?
Why doesn't everyone fly the C-202 anyway? In a manly, chivalric manner, of course. No dweeby furballing.. no dweeby ackstarring.. why DON'T they fly in accordance with your clear sense of what is proper? :confused:
Perhaps H2H would be much better for you. Perhaps you can even host a Chivlaric Arena there with rules and everything so people MUST play the way you feel is best for all.
That's be great, eh? Maybe you ought to give THAT a try.
Maybe I'll be back after the summer, maybe not.
Well I'm sure your presence will be missed. Sort of like missing the sound of an overheated axle bearing, but missed nonetheless.
I hope you enjoy your vacation! I hope you have a very looooooooong vacation! :D
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Toad I don't have any problems with certain planetypes, that's your own invention.
And as an end conclusion: bite me. I will keep posting whines on this board just to piss You off Toad. Oh what pathos.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Lately I've just flown dweeby planes, furballed and ackstarred in low alt buffs. I think I'll practise spawn point camping etc. fun activities next.
Ah. My invention. I see.
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Hey, go for it Axle Bearing!
Touchingly sad stories of injustice and incredible suffering like yours are always interesting. I love reading them.
Especially when one can compare say.... a pancreatic cancer victim that finds pleasure in just waking up everyday to people who are having angst because they think that an online computer game is not being played "fair" or that chivalry is dead in a game.
Always interesting to see what some folks think is "really tough".
:D
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Toad you're attempting to justify a completely biased gameplay balance. If you had any more brains you'd realise that it's detrimental to both sides in the long run.
My guess is that you're just jealous that I'll be spending the weeks on the beach.. muhah.
I said dweeby planes because I consider some planetypes not challenging at all.. but I haven't complained about people flying those planes - it's their decision. We all were new once.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Toad you're attempting to justify a completely biased gameplay balance. If you had any more brains you'd realise that it's detrimental to both sides in the long run.
No, I'm not attempting to justify anything at all. I just play the game. I have faith that if something really gets unbalanced HTC will deal with it at that time. As far as perceived imbalances, I just don't agree with you. You think you have a problem in one particular relatively short time of day when a particular, very small percentage of the player base is online, ie: Eurotime.
In this regard, you post perceptions unsupported by documented facts. You show the odd screenshot but not a pie chart or graph that shows the flow of player count around the clock, day by day, week by week in the MA. You have no data with respect to the number of resets by each country, by particular map, showing starting map positions for each country throughout the tour.
HTC has all of this data. I think if they see a true problem, they'll fix it.
You, and others like you, in similar threads dealing with gameplay or aircraft or perks or whatever seem to continually endorse forcing folks to do something they don't want to do. Switch countries, fly certain planes, be unable to fly certain planes, somehow eliminate HO tactics, add "chivalry" :rolleyes:, etc., etc., etc.
The common thread, of course, is that other folks should do as you axle bearings tell them to do.
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
My guess is that you're just jealous that I'll be spending the weeks on the beach.. muhah.
Sorry. Although I've spent days on beaches from the Phillipines to Okinawa to Hawaii to California to Texas to Florida to New Jersey to Brighton to Nice to a number of places in Greece...... I'm not really a beach person.
So, enjoy. I'll be going other places than beaches for my vacations this year. First up is the Con. Then Canada for some goose hunting with Sax and Beemer and then following the flights South for a month or two. Best part is that when my Labradors whine it means the fun is about to start. :)
Or can you think of some way to make me take what you consider to be the "proper" vacation? :)
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I said dweeby planes because I consider some planetypes not challenging at all..
Thus you denigrate those aircraft that you in your infallible wisdom have found to be "not worthy" with the term "dweeby" and, by association, also denigrate all those pilots that find those particular aircraft an enjoyable way to entertain themselves for $15/month. Shame on them! Why won't they fly planes that you find "challenging" or "worthy" or "chivalrous"? What is the matter with those guys anyway?
:rolleyes:
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Ok Toad you're the superman and your word is the final wisdom.
Btw: you haven't shown a single piece of data to prove me wrong either. Yet you act like you and only you know how the situation on the arena really is. Spew up the pie charts and data.
I don't mind if newbies take the easyest planes available in the planeset like I said Toad, which part did you not understand there? I never mentioned HO anywhere as I don't see them as a problem. You're generalising. You seem to think that if someone sees a problem with something and dares to complain he automatically falls to the grey mass of whiners who have absolutely no basis to complain whatsoever. Afterall AH is born perfect.
I think HT has seen the balance problem and is thinking ways to remedy it thus the online comment of restricting squad rotations. I'm waiting to see the result.
In any case I'm finished with this discussion, I've rarely met a person with such an arrogant, obnocious and patronising attitude like you Toad. Therefore I'm placing you to my ignore list so I don't have to bother myself with your non-creative arguments ever again. Have a nice time shooting wildlife. Pls wear a feathered hat and make bird noises while you're at it :P
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Btw: you haven't shown a single piece of data to prove me wrong either. Yet you act like you and only you know how the situation on the arena really is.
Well, I'm not the one saying we desperately need to address this "problem" and things must change because "I see a big problem here."
That would be YOU. Thus the burden of proof would fall upon the accuser, eh?
I haven't said anything at all about "what the situation on the arena really is." Once again, that would be YOU.
I have pointed out, in contradiction to some of the totally ridiculous statements in this thread and others like it, that the Bish get ganged too and do not always have the "numbers". I've also pointed out that numbers do not tell the whole story. There can be 100 in each of the three countries, all nice and equal. But if two countries are ganging one country, it's not quite the same is it?
How will you address THAT problem? :)
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I never mentioned HO anywhere as I don't see them as a problem. You're generalising.
Actually, I'm lumping your "perceived problem" in with all the other "make people fly the way I tell them to fly" Fuehrer's problems that abound on this board.
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
You seem to think that if someone sees a problem with something and dares to complain he automatically falls to the grey mass of whiners who have absolutely no basis to complain whatsoever. Afterall AH is born perfect.
Not at all. There are problems and AH isn't perfect. However, there are also gentlemen who can point these things out in a perfectly logical, reasonable way with supporting facts. And those things do get changed; not always but usually. Check some of F4UDOA's work for an example of the right way to do it. I think Vermillion did some early work in that vein and it was nicely done as well. Andy Bush provided some great stuff on trim effects.
Of course, then there's also the axle bearings. :)
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
In any case I'm finished with this discussion, I've rarely met a person with such an arrogant, obnocious and patronising attitude like you Toad. Therefore I'm placing you to my ignore list so I don't have to bother myself with your non-creative arguments ever again. Have a nice time shooting wildlife. Pls wear a feathered hat and make bird noises while you're at it :P
You haven't ever met me. You've just read my replies to your ideas and you don't like the fact that I don't agree with you. Of course, anyone that doesn't agree with you MUST be arrogant, obnoxious and patronising eh?
Are you going to wear a prosthesis and make sexy noises while you're on the beach? I mean, is this a tip for bird hunting that you've extrapolated from your beach hunting? :D
Or are you just submitting to that overwhelming urge to tell someone else what to do and how to do it again? :p
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Hey...now wait just a second!!!!
You better put me on your ignore list as well, because I'm just as arrogant, obnoxious and patronizing as Toad is!!!
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My God, ladies; take the chill pill. This game is about un-even numbers, gangbangs, vultch fests, massive mission assaults, 'unofficial' alliances, alt monkies, ack starrin buffs, strat weenie landgrabs and perk plane drivin stick-stirrin B&Z'n idjits with no nads.
You want fair, take up stamp collecting or model trains.
A 'good fight' for one guy is the other guys 'HO Dweeb Gang Rapin Ass-whuppin contest'.
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Wait! Hang!
Say it ain't so!!!
You mean we can't have a war in the MA where EVERYTHING is always equal and no country WINS?
OMG! We've all been terribly fooled!
:D
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No Rude I consider you a nice guy compared to him..
Hangtime: that may be so. Just as one mans cherrypick is another mans achievement. But as I said I'm done with the subject and won't be bothered to post anymore.
I'm taking Toads advice and will wait if and how HTC will address the problem (yes Toad just in case there is one.)
These UBB wars are starting to bore me as nothing can be achieved with them, time to move on.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
These UBB wars are starting to bore me as nothing can be achieved with them, time to move on.
Ding!
Give the man a seegar!
You got it now! Just play the game...... or don't!
You'll enjoy life a whole lot more either way.