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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hades55 on May 31, 2002, 03:02:51 AM
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This site gives a good example for what these mens
had to face up-there.
And what a realy good aircraft means.
http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/B-17/contents.htm
Give it a look, it worth it.
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(http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/B-17/photos/tail/Tail1.gif)
"'Hang the Expense Again III' was seen heavily damaged, going down over France. The pilot, however, was able to bring it out of a dive and struggled back to his home field. The blast damage blew the tail gunner out of the aircraft but he survived the incident.
SOURCE: Flying Forts by Martin Caiden, additional material by Ray Cary"
WOW!
SOB
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Obviously overmodeled.
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Balls, Cojones, choose your acronym, all B-17 crewmen had 'em.
Masher
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(http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/B-17/photos/body/RadRoom1.gif)
"A rocket fired by an enemy fighter inflicted this damage on The Sack, a B-17 of the 379th Group. A 14-inch fragment of the rocket tore the pants off of the turret gunner without hurting him.
SOURCE: Target: Germany by Life Magazine and The Mighty Eighth by Roger A. Freeman"
DmdKanth
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Where ARE your pants?!
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The blast damage blew the tail gunner out of the aircraft but he survived the incident.
How the F?!?!?!?!
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This is the most impressive IMO
(http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/B-17/photos/body/Torn-In2.gif)
The B-17 "All American" (414th Squadron, 97BG) flown by Lieutenant Kenneth R. Bragg, its tail section almost severed by a collision with an enemy fighter, flew 90 minutes back to its home base, landed safely and broke in two after landing.
(http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/B-17/photos/body/b17AllAmerican.jpg)
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I'd like to see what was left of the fighter..
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I think a piece of it is shown falling below the b17 in the first pic ;)
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"HAP" had the flak stick in his chute.
Central Reports (http://www.frugalsworld.com/b17/flak.shtml)
Cool dude to talk to.
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I used to have a picture of an artist print called "piggy back" or something along that line.
The painting illusrated a heavily damaged B17 with only 1 engine hitching a ride with a slightly damaged B17, I mean it was riding on top of the other one!!! I think both aircraft made it back to England and the crews safely bailed out. I think the pilot got the CMOH.
If anybody has a pic or link to this picture I would really like to see it.
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What I find interesting is how much fuselage and tail damage the B-17 can take and still fly back home.
There are NO pictures of missing wing parts, mostly flaps, alerons, and missing props.
Am I right in assuming that the B-17 as a bomber can withstand a lot of damage to the body and tail, but little to the wings?
Fork
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The morning after. The "City Of Wanette"'s officers pose behind her flak-shattered right wingtip.
Source: Half A Wing, Three Engines, and A Prayer by Brian D. O'Neill
(http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/B-17/photos/wings/Wingtip1.gif)
Back at base a crew marvels at the hole in their wing. According to Hal Landaker, who was the radio operator on this aircraft (the B-17 "Sugar-Jo", assigned to the 385th bomb group, 550 squadron, 8th Air Force), the damage was received on a mission to Hannover Germany on Dec. 6, 1944. The hole was caused by a direct hit with an 88 mm.anti-aircraft shell. The 88 went completely through the wing severing one of the main spars and exploded above the plane.
(http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/B-17/photos/wings/Wing1.gif)
On one occasion the Germans tried dropping bombs from a captured B-17 onto a formation attacking the Rhineland. Luckily, the bombs didn't explode as they crunched through this 331st Bomb Group B-17's wing trailing edge.
(http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/B-17/photos/wings/WingEdge.JPG)
Inspecting cannon fire damage inflicted by German jet-powered fighter planes. Wing control surfaces were damaged but the fuel tanks remained intact as the pilot brought the B-17 back from the raid on Hamburg.
(http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/B-17/photos/wings/Aileron120.JPG)
......the wing pictures are out there too.. just takes a tiny bit of searching on Google.
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Nah, just scratches!
Look at this one:
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/cool/b17_damage.jpg)
"B-17G-80-BO 43-38712 Buddy Buddy of the 710th BS/447th BG somehow managed to return to base after having most of its nose blown off in a combat"
There's .50 cal mg still hanging from the fort!
From book "Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress" by Michael O'Leary
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Masherbrum
actually I don't know if balls had anything to do with it.. they had no choice.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
Masherbrum
actually I don't know if balls had anything to do with it.. they had no choice.
Choice or not they definately had balls or whatever you use to describe courage. You most definately know nothing about what you speak.
BTW quite a few of the Bomber crews as well as trasnport crew were volunteers. They CHOSE to go to this type of service and fight.
Nice of you to downplay their sacrifices.