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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 31, 2002, 03:03:10 AM
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I was reading a pretty interesting discussion down at agw today about AH.
There were several very funny comments like WB fliers claiming you can't dodge bounces with ACM in AH, AH feels mushy compared to WB (!??) etc. stupidities..
Tried to reply and since I have forgot my old id in agw, tried to register.. Surprise..
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Sorry. Registration has been disabled by the administrator.
I wonder what's up with that.
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AH! HA!
So U are the "wise prettythang" of AH. Should have quessed...
julle
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Julle why don't you just say wise bellybutton like the rest of us?
Does me wanting to post to your homeboard make me a wiseass now? What are you then?
People at WB have tried AH for 2 weeks. You can't adjust from WB to AH FM in 2 weeks it takes more like 2 months to get to the level where you were in WB.
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Don't bother with it Ripley. It's been done dozens of times already, yet the idiots will continue to rant about why AH sucks and about why WarBirds is great (and vice versa here on this board), and why one respective community is superior to the other. It won't make a bit of difference to anyone who's open minded enough to actually give the other one a try if they're interested, and only goes to prove how narrow minded some are. We're all one big community who (for the most part) are interested in WWII history and who all love to fly and blow toejam up with virtual WWII war birds - some choose to fly WarBirds, some choose to fly Aces High, or even one of the others.
As for registration, I think the moderators over there close it down now and then, tho' I'm not sure why. I know they've closed it and opened it back up at least one time in the past. They'd probably set an account up for you if you emailed 'em.
SOB
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Why do you feel so defensive as to try to reply to their envious crap?
If you like AH who cares what the diddlytards think. Let em sink slowly on their tar pit.
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If you like AH who cares what the diddlytards think. Let em sink slowly on their tar pit.
Wow, man that's a bummer attitude :(
Stridr
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To answer your wonder...
As far as I know there was a disruptive person on the agw board and when they'd shut him out he'd just log back in with different names.
In order to stop him they just stopped people being able to register.
DmdKanth
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I was reading a pretty interesting discussion down at agw today about AH.
There were several very funny comments like WB fliers claiming you can't dodge bounces with ACM in AH, AH feels mushy compared to WB (!??) etc. stupidities..
Tried to reply and since I have forgot my old id in agw, tried to register.. Surprise..
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I wonder what's up with that.
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Originally posted by Stridr417
Wow, man that's a bummer attitude :(
Stridr
Is that Gatineau as in Gatineau, or Gatineau as in Hull?
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Hey, a local guy!
Hull, but closer to Aylmer, actaully. Just off of Chemin de la Montagne on the other side of the Champlaine bridge. I can't get used to the new name... "Gatineau" to me always conjures up images of strip joints and seedy bars...
Lots of other AH and Warbirds folks are in the region as well.
Stridr
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For the others not-in-the-know I was referring to a totally other post by this creature. I personally have never said anything to offend AH/il-2/WWIIOL on these boards. I play 2 of these games and have tried the 3rd too. If I canīt play AH itīs ALL the same to me if you can. To you my post seems odd since it refers to something you donīt see here. The word: "stupidities" caught my attention. Since it (ripley) had accused me being lame for supporting the Brewster to AH!
Here I go again: Brewster into AH! :D <=Suck that...
julle, NOT converting anyone to ANY game!
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Just email Argo and ask him to register you. That's what I did during the '98 registration close-down. :)
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I think iEN is looking to phase out AGW and get people to use the official iEN board where they rule with an iron fist. Most of the people that were on AGW when I started are gone now, and with registration blocked, I imagine it won't be long until it's deserted. I also think that Argo has neither the spare time nor the interest in WarBirds to run AGW actively so I doubt he would mind terribly much if it faded away.
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Originally posted by Stridr417
Hey, a local guy!
Hull, but closer to Aylmer, actaully. Just off of Chemin de la Montagne on the other side of the Champlaine bridge. I can't get used to the new name... "Gatineau" to me always conjures up images of strip joints and seedy bars...
Lots of other AH and Warbirds folks are in the region as well.
Stridr
Ah Gatineau, how I fondly recall going to Pigale's for the first time, at the tender age of 15. heheh.
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Don't know if I agree with Funked's assessment of the current reason for closed registration, but he is dead-on about iEN's desire to control all BBS traffic associated with WBs and DoA. These intentions they've made clear in the past, and only the immediate and vitriolic outcry of the AGW community prevented it. It should also be added iEN is very tight in the way they run their BBS- no criticism allowed.
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Originally posted by Kieran
It should also be added iEN is very tight in the way they run their BBS- no criticism allowed.
They know their game is flawed, so they will do all thats possible to prevent negative word of mouth (wich is what these games live of)
Different case with HTC. They know their game rocks, so they allow any dipshit to come here and talk crap. These retards promptly make fools of themselves, there is no need to ban them :)
Any doubt a potential customer may have will be cleared with the 2 week trial period.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Don't know if I agree with Funked's assessment of the current reason for closed registration, but he is dead-on about iEN's desire to control all BBS traffic associated with WBs and DoA. These intentions they've made clear in the past, and only the immediate and vitriolic outcry of the AGW community prevented it. It should also be added iEN is very tight in the way they run their BBS- no criticism allowed.
That's 1/2 the reason I quit WB (when I was a trainer and flew for free). The trainers were also beta testers and we had a special bbs for it. They started deleting posts that were negative about the changes they were making to the FM/DM (the addition of mushbirds) How do you improve a game when you allow no negative comments even by the people you have to test your new additions?
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Well, I still have my old WB AGW account in addition to my AH account (Apache), but don't post there any longer.
Whats funny is guys that have found WB since we all left callin' us "casual gamers" and such. Lol, most of us here were flyin' WB when they were still suckin' the tit.
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I was thinking that too Apache... I hardly recognize the IDs of anyone there from the old days... but to read their posts you'd think they started up the game.
AKDejaVu <- Thun in the old days of WB
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Heh, just read and (unwisely) posted to the thread that noted that nearly as many people were logged on to AGW as were in WB3.
AGW was (and is) a way of life for many. It was a great community, and the remnants are still left. Although I gotta confess the folks that insist they have a better product kind of wear on me. Using simple air-compression blast effects to model bomb damage? Uhh.... there's a reason why they did those studies with nukes and not before guys. Most WW2 bombs ain't designed to knock down buildings by being dropped in an open field 200 meters away.
anyway, we could actually do a point-by-point comparison of the simulations, but many people on both sides seem convinced that "opinions" can invalidate arguments based on reason. So why bother? Let them enjoy their game, and wish them the best. When the fools among them go strutting around insisting their minimal engine-management, overdampened-control, supersimplified-alt-performance game is more realistic, don't challenge 'em. You can only win arguments based on evidence, not faith. (and heck, mutatis mutandis, the same holds for WB fans arguing against AH fanatics)
Oh yeah, and a better graphics engine is nice, but it doesn't count for much. I'm currently obsessed with operation flashpoint, which has a gorgeous engine (especially if you kick the view distance to 3km), but it sure as hell ain't a realistic vehicle sim. (and as for ballistics, I confirmed today that MG rounds travel at 1000 mps without ever slowing down -- tehy disappear after two seconds. The M1A1s main gun? 1500 mps or 5400 km/h. What is that? Mach 4? for a 120mm HE projectile?! For 20 seconds without slowing down?! )
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thread that noted that nearly as many people were logged on to AGW as were in WB3.
Yikes
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QUOTE-"""Hey, a local guy!
Hull, but closer to Aylmer, actaully. Just off of Chemin de la Montagne on the other side of the Champlaine bridge. I can't get used to the new name... "Gatineau" to me always conjures up images of strip joints and seedy bars...
Lots of other AH and Warbirds folks are in the region as well.
Stridr """"
I live just on this side of the border about 4 miles west of Champlain NY.
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Here's Julle trying to explain us that he's supporting the introduction or brewster to Aces High by posting ad banners from WB war room.
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And Iīll do it again: BW into AH! :D
julle, CO Überfinns Perkele! An AH-squad waiting for a decent arena for us.
WITH:
- NO ICONS
- NO INFLIGHT RADAR
- NO ZOOM
- RPS
- HISTORICAL PLANESET
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Why would you want an arena with no icons- that's even more unrealistic than having icons.
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WITH:
- NO ICONS
- NO INFLIGHT RADAR
- NO ZOOM
- RPS
- HISTORICAL PLANESET
There is no "zoom", except in the bombsight. The "zoom" I believe you are refering to is actually changing field of view, not magnifying.
F.
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- NO ICONS
Ick
- NO INFLIGHT RADAR
Ick, Part II "Icks"
- NO ZOOM
What Furious said.
- RPS
Ick, Part III "The Return of Ick"
HISTORICAL PLANESET
Eh, whateva'
SOB
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SO: why should a WWII era "sim" enthustiastic even try quakes high?! :confused:
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LOL julle... what I can't figure out is why you have to come over here and spew that crap. Did they kick you out of Warbirds? Do you have a witty name for that crowd too?
...or is this where you say that somehow, magically, warbirds manages to be more realistic because they only have a two sided war?
Which just begs the question once again... why are you over here?
I love the "quakers high" title that's being thrown around. Its quite like the mentallity alot of people started up with when the CT opened up over here. Of course... our CT has about the same numbers as any Warbird's arena... its just that HTC hasn't decided to exclude everyone else by shutting down the MA.
AKDejaVu
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You should know SOB's "D" key is broke on his keyboard. A tragic Chocolate milkshake spill disaster.
His response is alarming, considering.
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Julle just thinks having no icons is realistic, like real world pilots thought they have to look out of the window through a trinitron monitor..
Julle just thinks Zoom is dweeby even though without zoom you can't see the FOV aspect ratio you normally have. Monitor can't quite cover the field of view but it can show you that one small piece of what you should see all around you in real size.
No inflight dar is quite ok if the game has an organizer who constantly keeps updates on enemy positions - otherwise it sucks if ppl won't sit in tower to help others out.
RPS - now there's an idea I like myself too.
Conclusion: Julle's concept of a realistic gameplay is just about as unrealistic it can get on a computer MOG.
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Originally posted by julle
I personally have never said anything to offend AH/il-2/WWIIOL on these boards.
Originally posted by julle
SO: why should a WWII era "sim" enthustiastic even try quakes high?!
To answer your question . . . Why the hell should anyone care what I think about why they should fly AH? That's HTC's job and HTC's business. And, if you'll take note of the numbers in the "quakes high" main arena, you might get the impression that they're doing a pretty damned good job of it.
Just because a certain set of game play design features are appealing to you, does not mean they are appealing to others, and it certainly doesn't mean they are more realistic.
SOB
PS...It's becoming apparent that you are indeed one of the "idiots" I was referring to in my earlier post. Flame away at me and whatever game you choose, then play whatever game you choose, I really couldn't care less about any of it, but I do find you amusing (if that's any consolation for you).
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For the others not-in-the-know I was referring to a totally other post by this creature. I personally have never said anything to offend AH/il-2/WWIIOL on these boards. I play 2 of these games and have tried the 3rd too. If I canīt play AH itīs ALL the same to me if you can. To you my post seems odd since it refers to something you donīt see here. The word: "stupidities" caught my attention. Since it (ripley) had accused me being lame for supporting the Brewster to AH!
Here I go again: Brewster into AH! <=Suck that...
julle, NOT converting anyone to ANY game!
Impossible as it seems, you make my boozonical rants seem pale in comparison.
What you said, is ... well tarded for sure, but I'm still miffed.
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Julle is one of the sad delusional Warbirders who believe making things uneccessarily difficult equates to ultra realism. While low icons is perhaps a step in the right direction no icons is not realistic at all not even with the best hardware currently available.
The MkI eyeball is a very complex bit of kit but it works very well...so well him upstairs never felt the need to update or patch it ;) You can never offer the same kind of detail and visibility on flat 2 dimensional computer monitor and this is made worse when you can only run at 1600x1200 max. The other problem you have is its never going to be a level playing field with a multitude of computer specs out there limiting many players by the maximum resolution their pc's can handle and also the size of hteir monitor making a difference also.
No radar? while I might not always agree with the accuracy given in these sims it does simulate the control tower giving the location of cons, perhaps to make what we have realistic a little more lag is needed in the way it updates.
Zoom and icons...well I've already covered that above
RPS - I enjoyed tha RPS in Warbirds but it was ALWAYS a point of contention for both sides as WB never had a large enough planeset to fill in all the gaps so often we had 'substitutes' :rolleyes: very histroical. One day though when one of the sims has a big enough planeset this can work but only as an alternative to the main arena and let the players decide where they play, there is definately a market for the current AH MA thats for sure. If you want to look at how revered the WW2A/RPS was in WB take a look at AGW attopics just in this last month with many players describing how it split up their squads and saw many players leave.
As for the historical planeset, we have the CT for that and it sees enough players to make it interesting and probably more than the War Room or EA as I remember it. I used to fly there but got fed up of flying with 3 other players, the War room is a failure plain and simple and a concession by iEN to try and keep a bunch of realism zealots subscribing.