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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MugZ on May 31, 2002, 08:25:15 PM
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So i take it All the Old Maps are history??
No more Baltic ,.................Ect?
If so. Is this pizza Map the only one for the new version 1.10?
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After seeing the pizza map, I decided I wasn't so anxious for 1.10 after all.
It does open up some interesting possibilities for mapmakers though. Why stop at pizza? You could do nachos, hot dogs - or even get really creative and do a bust of Ronald Reagan.
Better yet, a bust of Marilyn Monroe.
:D
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or hitech :D
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I think it looks like a great MA map. Three equal zones for three countries, interesting new strat design, HUGE. I'm really looking forward to it.
SOB
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I djust ordered from pizza express. So hungry!!!!!
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PIZZA PIZZA!!
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I thought that the Pizza Shiner bock map was the first MA terrain after the beta terrain .
(http://www.raf303.org/308/screens/000804mythreedweebs.jpg)
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I shouldn't make fun of the pizza map. I'm sure it took alot of hard effort. Initially, I wasn't crazy about the "Perdonia" map for the CT either, and ya know what? Perdonia is hands down the best looking terrain I've ever flown in, with terrific framerates everywhere. Its one of my favorites now.
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You guys need to understand how hard it is to make a 'historical' terrain that is balanced for all 3 sides. The bases arent going to be close enough for MA play and they arent going to be even for all sides. I guess you could do a real map and just place bases wherever you want to, but then again....how 'historical' would that be? :)
I am looking forward to the seeing how the new strat is going to work in 1.10. I applaud the AKs for their effort. Everyone has been whining about needing bigger maps, and they are the only ones that stepped up to the plate to try their hand at creating something. I am sure that HTC really appreciates their efforts since it leaves them free to bring about bigger and better things in the game and not have to spend so much time making new maps.
WTG AKs.....not bad for a squad full of gay dudes. :D
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really pleased we have a large scale map otw but to be honest i think its layout lacks inspiration a bit.
unless of course there is plenty of differing terrain like canyons etc
I just hope its a little bit more exciting to play than it is to look at :)
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sure looks like canyons between the countries to me, i think the sheer scale of the thing mebbe misleading you hazed +)
SKurj
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Accurate or real land masses can be made into maps pretty simple, airfields can be historically placed, But would it make good gameplay? Probably not, for a senerio's "Immersion" factor, YES! For the MA definately NO!!. your right, if you do a real landmass and then change the airfeilds for gameplay it's no more "historical" than changing the landmass or making a "fantasy" map. A 3 sided map ( balanced) is really not an easy task while trying to maintain some sort of historic landmass. HiTech once told me more or less gameplay comes first. That i would have to agree with. AK's were fortunate enought to get a jump on the "zone" idea HiTech is working on. I'm sure once v1.10 is released and the "zone" is understood, you'll see more maps getting submitted.
to the AK's for stepping up and doing this MA map, especially of this size and magnitude.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by sling322
You guys need to understand how hard it is to make a 'historical' terrain that is balanced for all 3 sides. The bases arent going to be close enough for MA play and they arent going to be even for all sides. I guess you could do a real map and just place bases wherever you want to, but then again....how 'historical' would that be? :)
I am looking forward to the seeing how the new strat is going to work in 1.10. I applaud the AKs for their effort. Everyone has been whining about needing bigger maps, and they are the only ones that stepped up to the plate to try their hand at creating something. I am sure that HTC really appreciates their efforts since it leaves them free to bring about bigger and better things in the game and not have to spend so much time making new maps.
WTG AKs.....not bad for a squad full of gay dudes. :D
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is it me, or does it resemble the AW 3 sided map..with the rivers in the middle..with the AZ on the left the Bz on the right and the Cz on the bottom? also, not a lot of water.. the naval planes will be rather out of place in the desert.
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Originally posted by hawk220
is it me, or does it resemble the AW 3 sided map..with the rivers in the middle..with the AZ on the left the Bz on the right and the Cz on the bottom? also, not a lot of water.. the naval planes will be rather out of place in the desert.
At least with the AW 3-sided map you could still gain some
suspension of reality and "get into it"...
With this ludicrous "pizza" terrain it would be REAL hard to
suspend belief. Absolutely NOTHING relates to "real life"
in terms of TERRAIN...only PIZZAS!
I find it to be the worst looking terrain I've ever seen...bar none!
I still hope beyond hope that it's nothing bu a giant, oversized
troll or joke!
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Originally posted by Gypsy Baron
I still hope beyond hope that it's nothing bu a giant, oversized
troll or joke!
GB - have you seen the Calendar picture posted by AKWabbit (I think)? It features a screenshot from this terrain, and I think it looks awesome! Give it a chance, huh? Don't forget, although it looks very over-crowded, it is actually 4 times the size of the arenas we are used to in the MA! :)
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You guys are kidding on this map thing...
Right ???
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Yep...... it does look like a pizza. I spent a fortune sending my son through college. He now has a masters degree in computer science. at least thats what I think it is. So I'm gonna get a little payback and have him do some terrains. Try to keep them historical. Maybe some mountaines areas, some desert, some farm lowlands. Straits, harbors and a large body of water, all keeping with the new strat system. Time to break out the world map and take a look. Any Ideas out there?
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#1 suggestion: if you have aspirations of seeing it in the Main Arena get feedback from Hitech before expending too much effort. Contrary to popular opinion, he's a nice guy.:D
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WTG AKs.....not bad for a squad full of gay dudes.
LMFAO
Hey AK's Im looking forward to taking a crack at it.
Also looking forward to the new strat system.
you critics crack me up man. You piss and moan more than my chemically inbalanced ex-wife.
Relax, take your prozac or something.
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Nobody can piss and moan more than my ex wives, and I've had two of them. It still looks like a damn pizza.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
Nobody can piss and moan more than my ex wives, and I've had two of them. It still looks like a damn pizza.
I look forward to seeing your design. :)
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It's not as easy as it looks. You have to make the map using only 6 different tiles.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by weaselsan
Yep...... it does look like a pizza. I spent a fortune sending my son through college. He now has a masters degree in computer science. at least thats what I think it is. So I'm gonna get a little payback and have him do some terrains. Try to keep them historical. Maybe some mountaines areas, some desert, some farm lowlands. Straits, harbors and a large body of water, all keeping with the new strat system. Time to break out the world map and take a look. Any Ideas out there?
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Originally posted by Gypsy Baron
At least with the AW 3-sided map you could still gain some
suspension of reality and "get into it"...
With this ludicrous "pizza" terrain it would be REAL hard to
suspend belief. Absolutely NOTHING relates to "real life"
in terms of TERRAIN...only PIZZAS!
I find it to be the worst looking terrain I've ever seen...bar none!
I still hope beyond hope that it's nothing bu a giant, oversized
troll or joke!
Alas, I doubt it's a joke. I really hope that it doesn't turn you off enough to quit tho', as the constant drone of your crying in the MA would truly be missed.
SOB
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Gypsy have you seen the terrain yet ? Or just the map ?
Real life terrain doesn't work in the MA, as we've allready seen . Case in point, Mindanao, great terrain, but not for the MA . 75% of the space is unused water, it's very vehicle unfriendly and one country all ways gets screwed because of the asymetry . The MA is a fantasy war (more than two sides) fought by fantasy countries using fantasy planesets, it just doesn't work out well with real life terrain . That's why we have a CT, but nobody wants to use it, instead they would rather whine about the unrealism of the MA .
At least see the terrain before you complain about it, give it a chance, and give the CT a chance while you're at it .
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Originally posted by Samm
Samm"75% of the space is unused water,"
I use the water all the time for stealth attacks :)
Samm"That's why we have a CT, but nobody wants to use it, instead they would rather whine about the unrealism of the MA ."
Yeah...........why dont more of us use the CT?
If there were a larger player base in there i prolly would leave the MA all together
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Must get lonely way out there in your stealth water, or are you talking about around the coast . I didn't say that nobody uses water, I said unused water .
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AK's Map looks Fantastic.
I know there is some interesting canyon's in it.
What else we will find is the fun part.
But I'm seriously looking forward to a map where you'll be able to find a ground battle or some PT action on a regular basis. Piece of Pizza map looks good on that score. But we won't know for sure till we fly it. 5 fleets to play with!
Ease up on the whines till you've actually seen what it has.
Anyone else think 1.10 will be out this week?
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First uterus now pizza...hehe. IMO this map should be a good one, it sounds like it has everthing.Canyons, plenty of cvs and gv bases and HTs new strat. Will it be a "great" map? Hard to tell. Put 400 people in it for a few nights and you will know. Anyway
to AKs for the effort.
Olgzr
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Did you notice the pizza map is divided in a way which resembles the peace sign - and the green fields have been placed in the form of a bird (white pigeon, sign of peace and freedom..=)
It must be a joke :)
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Did you notice the pizza map is divided in a way which resembles the peace sign - and the green fields have been placed in the form of a bird (white pigeon, sign of peace and freedom..=)
It must be a joke :)
Quite an imagination
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I am quite looking forward to the map. The MA is a fantasy realm where balance is far more important than is a real map.
I think the gameplay on this map will be great, but I do have concerns about the big fields being completely uncapturable.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I am quite looking forward to the map. The MA is a fantasy realm where balance is far more important than is a real map.
I think the gameplay on this map will be great, but I do have concerns about the big fields being completely uncapturable.
No worries mate, the large fields are captureable. It's only the outer zone that is uncapturable. That doesn't mean that it's large field is uncaptureable, only that the original owning country will always benefit from the enhanced rebuild times of the factories in the zone.
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Originally posted by Karnak
The MA is a fantasy realm where balance is far more important than is a real map.
I agree with that and I am looking forward to new maps.
I wonder how many people they will be able to put in there...
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You know, you guys got it wrong. It's not a damn pizza.
It's a cookie. :D
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Originally posted by AKIron
You know, you guys got it wrong. It's not a damn pizza.
It's a cookie. :D
hey! what ya do to my radioactive pepperonni!!!
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With all due respect to the AKs for their effort, and pizza or cookies aside, this map screams "Arcade!" to me.
This map is a real departure from most previous maps, which made at least a minimal effort towards representing a believeable terrain. The AKPizza terrain makes no compromises towards realism at all - its entirely focused on gameplay.
I recognize I'm in the minority here, so if this is the direction HTC wants to go, and most players approve, I guess that's it. Gives me something to think about other than what the next plane might be. I don't know why though HTC would spend time and effort making sure the flight model is realistic, the aircraft skin is realistic, etc., and then use an utterly unrealistic terrain like this one. I think pink and black P-51s or the aircraft from Crimson Skies would fit just fine here. And the Crimson Skies a/c are probably balanced for gameplay, too.
I'm sure Hitech put the map up to get some reactions and feedback (or at least knew he was going to get them anyway). Mine is "Please, no."
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First off, Thanks to the AK's for their effort
I agree with some of the comments made by NUTTZ wherein some historical terrain are not good for the MA and gameplay, but I also agree with some of the other folks comments where a "fantays shaped" map does detract from realism. I believe a terrain that will make a good percantage of folks happy would be one that is a hybrid of realism for gameplay.
There are some things to remember before we start spouting off about this or that. This game is always evolving, remember? Is this the last map we'll ever get? No. Is there any map that everyone likes? No. So what if the terrain is shaped like a cookiepizza, I would think that type of shape would be a decent choice for a 1st map design that integrates a new zone-based strat system. Fear change? This game isn't fer you :D
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Originally posted by oboe
I'm sure Hitech put the map up to get some reactions and feedback (or at least knew he was going to get them anyway). Mine is "Please, no."
I think we got your point a few posts ago.
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He's bashing AK's lock this threeeaaaaaad! :cool:
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
hey! what ya do to my radioactive pepperonni!!!
Friendly advise : I've copyrighted this sentence ... please contact my lawyer ;)
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
He's bashing AK's lock this threeeaaaaaad! :cool:
Not sure what you're getting at here Ripley. I think HTC uses good judgement in deciding when a thread has gotten abusive and counterproductive. Are you mocking HTC or AK's?
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It's called black humor. Referring to the previous AKbashing thread which was locked.
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Originally posted by oboe
With all due respect to the AKs for their effort, and pizza or cookies aside, this map screams "Arcade!" to me.
Funny- that's what the Main Arena concept does to me too.
You want history, realism, suspension of reality- the Combat Theater is where it's at.
Mugz- if there was a larger player base in the CT, you'd play there? I'm willing to bet that there's good number of people like you out there, unfortunately they are exactly like you. They won't go into the arena to make it increase in size (the more there are there, the more people will go there), instead they sit on the sidelines waiting for other people to go there... when the majority is just like you.
And last but not least- you want to suspension of disbelief or more immersion... but you all fly in an arena where B17s dogfight B17s, Zeros are being zoomed by 109s, perk point system you use to earn better rides, fields that instantly repair when they are resupplied by a single C47....
but a terrain where you'll have to fly zoomed in on the map all of the time, and is divided into several sectors that are as big as the current MA maps... you can't suspend your disbelief?
Oh well, you guys make a better map and we'll see.
-SW
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regarding "Oh well, you guys make a better map and we'll see.
-SW"
what is the policy on submitting maps? do they review anyone's map or is it an elitist thing with only special squads getting consideration?
if everyone's efforts are at least reviewed then we should put up or shut up.. I don't really dig it that much and don't think I have the talent or patience to cook one up, but I'm sure there is great talent out here in many of Aces' players.
maybe have a message board section where people can submit maps and the rest can rate them and maybe the really popular ones would get consideration from the big cheeses.
Hawk220
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Originally posted by hawk220
what is the policy on submitting maps? do they review anyone's map or is it an elitist thing with only special squads getting consideration?
Well actually I offered up that suggestion because it's an elitest thing and only special squads will be considered...
The point isn't how well it looks and how many people like it- but how well the map is tested for problems (so HTC doesn't have to fix it) and how well it works for game play.
-SW
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Apologies to the AKs if my tone was insulting. I was trying to make a memorable post, not a derogatory one and I think I overstepped the line.
Every once in a while I get reminded abruptly what a diverse community this is. I always thought I was pretty average, but that doesn't mean most everyone's going to think the way I do.
I'm sure when 1.10 comes out, the new terrain will be a big hit.
People will have a lot of new planes to fly around in and I'm sure find alot to do in the terrain.
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I think it is a neat map. Fair division of territory and the like would by nature suggest a symetrical shape. Form follows function in this case.
The CT will have plenty of another flavor of action, as always. I think once people play this map though they will like it - a lot.
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"Well actually I offered up that suggestion because it's an elitest thing and only special squads will be considered... "
SW
which are the special squads? which qualify for consideration? I'm really interested in the social structure of this game and would love it if someone could inform the rest of us the hierarchy of standing within the different squads. is it a written thing or just one of those 'nod/wink' sort of things?
thanks
hawk220
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>which are the special squads?
Uhhmmm I believe he was just being sarcastic Hawke.
Wab
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I have yet to judge a map because of its "looks" ... looks is not what does it for me, its the playability (which one of the AK said that HT was looking for).
The AKs' know how to play this game and I'll bet that we will all be pleasantly surprised with the gameplay when we finally get to use it.
I would like to see HT publish some sort of requirements for any map to be considered for circulation within the MA. I would like to take a shot at making a map.
My concern is how to handicap the AKs' for the first 5 rotations of this map. They must know all the secret nooks and crannies and that can't be good for the rest of us. :D (just kidding)
Big <> to all the AKs' on what must have been a tremendous effort. THANKS !!!
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For those contemplating making a terrain for the Main Arena our map evolved with input from HTC. Here are a few guidelines:
The fields and terrain should be laid out symetrically, or at least in a fashion that is even and cannot be exploited by one side.
Field distances should always be within .75 and 1.5 sectors apart.
Limit on number of fields is 255. Use them all, no more, no less.
There should be 3-4 zones per country.
Within these guidelines I'm sure there are many layout possibilites but I bet they are all pretty much symetrical. How about tossing out some ideas for a shape/layout here?
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Originally posted by oboe
Apologies to the AKs if my tone was insulting. I was trying to make a memorable post, not a derogatory one and I think I overstepped the line.
No prob friend. :)
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Originally posted by hawk220
"Well actually I offered up that suggestion because it's an elitest thing and only special squads will be considered... "
SW
which are the special squads? which qualify for consideration? I'm really interested in the social structure of this game and would love it if someone could inform the rest of us the hierarchy of standing within the different squads. is it a written thing or just one of those 'nod/wink' sort of things?
thanks
hawk220
Certainly, AK's are first, all the rest are tied for second.
Sorry, couldn't resist. :D
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I have to agree that it must be one of the uglyest maps made for AH.. But you got to start from somewhere and maybe it will give a good gameplay balance. We'll see soon.
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Originally posted by straffo
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hey, I am saying it for you! ;)