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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MuadDib of Dune on June 04, 2002, 03:45:35 AM
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What is it about zekes and their apparent will to live longer than any other plane in AH????
How many times have you peppered one of these damned things to hell and back only to see it continue to fly about like the little butterfly that wouldnt die, trailing four different smoke trails to boot.
Not that Im complaining, because I dont believe it that.
Just relax and have fun ;)
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I've seen that a lot too. I don't know if I notice it more just because it's the Zeke or what.
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You've never seen a La7 didnt you?
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Yeah, I've noticed this with the Zeke too...plug it with all kinds of lead and away if flies dragging white and black smoke...however, it seems like it will end up exploding eventually, even if you're unable to damage it further. I may be imagining the last part.
SOB
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I've for sure noticed it. After a couple of ahem.. bad experiences, I make sure Zeke's pop before I take my attention off of them.
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Originally posted by Duedel
You've never seen a La7 didnt you?
Nice try. The wingtips on the La7 are made of paper mache when it comes to bullet hits and they fly horribly on 1 1/2 wings.
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Wrong LA7 flies just fine with 1 1/2 wings. I can RTB with that easily, try it in a 109 and then come back and say damn your right la-7 is uber.
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LOL Actually IMO Hitech modeled fire & its effects on the Zeke so well that people actually whine about it.
Yes they burn, and trail smoke, but they go "Bang,poof" after 1 minute also. The engine on the zeke does seem to run well pouring out black smoke, which as a big radial I suppose it should.
Blow the wingtips off and they flutter nicely.
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Yeah the fire lasts longer on the zeke before blowing up, to the point if you're very fast you can ditch it and run sometimes. If you can see it burning you can leave it and it'll blow up, it'll just take a bit.
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just wish the 109 was modeled half as tough
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I've noticed a number of times that I'm likely to lose my aux fuel in the zeke. Lots of white smoke, no real damage.
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The zeke seems a bit tougher than other planes wich bothers me since it had a reputation for being a fragile plane.
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Perk it
(Can't believe no one has suggested this already)
-Sikboy
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I fly the A6m often.
2 times I have managed to ditch a burning zeke. Fire always leads to explosion. The zekes I fly catch fire easily. Sometimes, however, I am surprised how many hits it can take and still keep on going. Most of the time they crumble though.
eskimo
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What about the mossie? Whenever i fly it i'm always getting hit in the fuel and it getting set of fire. I thought the mossie was supposed to be very durable, doesn't seem like it is in AH. Did the mossie in RL light up like it does here, i know the mossie was made from plywood but I was just wondering.
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I had one of my A6M5bs (keep in mind it is a late war strengthened Zero) take some light hits from an Fw190 and start to leak fuel. No other damage, I checked. I turned to engage the 190 when a minute into the duel I exploded. No fire at all.
Thrila,
Yes, the Mossie should be tough. I have a photo of a Mossie that was covered in fuel and flames from a Bf110 it shotdown at close range. All of the paint and fabric in the rudder is burned off, then the fire went out as there was no more material flamable enough to burn in the airpreasure of a flying Mosquito. The wood did not make the Mosquito anymore prone to fire than aluminium aircraft. Fuel is what burned in both cases and the Mosquito had self sealing fuel tanks.
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well.... I fly 6 fifties and have found some interesting things about plane hardness.
The zeke and the lag7 seem to be unusually impervious to fifty caliber hits. Lots of smoke and even some pieces falling off but no kill... Another plane that seems to be very tough for what it is... the 109 series.
On the fragile side... spits. the easiest plane in the game for me to kill with fifties are spits. Nothing dies as easy. They blow up outright or sporal down with one wing. Why a spit should be so much easier for me to kill than a zeke is a mystery... I can't believe that spits were more studmuffinile than the weak little 109 either.
lazs
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I get shot down in the zeke a lot, so I can testify to its tendency to light up--however that's as it should be. With no self-sealing tanks and a wet wing, you'd expect it to be pinged, then leak and/or burn. I haven't noticed that it lasts a particularly long time--I'm just thankful the game doesn't model the ability to light up a fuel stream with tracers (although that would be fun).
The mossie is more of a puzzle. Tough, yes. Self-sealing fuel tanks, yes. So why the fire all the time? My experience has been pretty much the same as Thrila's--I'm never hit except the entire plane is engulfed in flames. And I've shot a few down that with one exception have always burned.
Just one of life's little mysteries!
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This is one reason why I think a penalty of some type is needed for being killed. No penalty for bailing or whatever, but if you actually get killed.
How many times have you shot a plane all to hell, only to have it keep flying and spraying bullets widely like a rabid dog?
With no death penalty, pilots keep flying rather than bail out. The plane is dead anyway, so why not try to take a few with it?
If people wanted to avoid actually being killed (by not getting a 2 minute "you can't message") then the rabid dog sindrome might go away.
In real life, if your plane were on fire and trailing smoke everywhere, the last thing you would want to do is ride it out.
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midnight... a lot of zeke pilots didn't carry chutes anyway but.... if there were a penalty for not reaching the ground safely then it would sure make shooting chutes all the more fun. I don't have a key mapped to "bail".
taiala... I believe that our zeke is the M5 and that it did have self sealing tanks. It should still be a pretty fragile plane though.
lazs
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I agree, we need a lot more incentive for players to bail out and a lot more to lose when shot in a chute.
I waste so much ammo trying to get them to bail out I barely have any left for the chute.
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The Zero as an airframe was pretty sturdy, and made out of excellent metals. That said, its biggest problems were 1) No pilot Armor 2) No self sealing tanks.
So either the pilot died, or it burned by fire, otherwise its was pretty strong. Its a carrier plane and used in rough foward fields so it had to have been a pretty rugged frame to absorb the abuses. ( This is why the Spitfire didnt work so well off decks and in the Pacs rough fields)
Our Zero has pilot armor and perhaps some form of fuel protection as it is a late model. It also features strengthened wings for high speed dives. There have been accounts of Zeros riddled by .50 cal returning to base. Zero is a decent sized airplane too.