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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: eye on March 27, 2000, 12:01:00 AM
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There is alot of guys here that are flying 2 accounts or more. I propose that if you fly 2 or more and kill 1 of your own accounts some how it should show up on your kill board. The vulching here is terrible! A joke realy 10 to 15 kill missions are common. I doubt that with the very high skill level here that vets would up over and over to die at 30 feet. It screws up kill board stats makes ranking system worthless. I propose a asterisk or seperate box on kill board for those who engage in this practice. I you do not kill your own know one will know you fly two names. Spys are also part of game but if your not poping your own no one will ever know you have two. Ensureing privacy
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The vultching done here is not done purely for kills. Sure there are some that thrive on that sort of thing, but the majority of vultching is done in a desperate attempt to 'close the feild' (lets avoid this can o' worms) ie to stop personX from launchin in spit while troops are out and mowing them down while still rolling. We cant close feilds here, vultchin is the unfortunate reality of what NEEDS to be done to give the attacking country any show of capturing a feild.
BTW - im not condoning vultching, its a necessary evil under present conditions that when 1.02 comes out will be solved (closable feilds).
Bring on 1.02 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Supreme Mega-Overlord Spatula
"...perfect for serving"
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[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 03-27-2000).]
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You know, there are times when I actually enjoy being vulched: admittedly, not when there's more than 2 vulchers around, but it is quite a challenge to get something in the air and try to turn the tables on these folks. I mean where else do you get such extensive practice in recovering from a serious E deficit? Score-schmore, you know a good pilot when you fight one. And that kill tastes even better when you think of them going to the score page to check your pathetic K/D ratio.
Those folks with two accounts probly use one for dweebing around, and the other for scoring purposes. So, if they wanna spend $30/month more, I say let them get their score.
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There's NOTHING wrong with vulching - that's how many aircraft were really destroyed during WWII - F4U was used extensively for strafing Japaneese airfields, Ponies were hunting 262s on t/offs-landings etc.
I'm guilty myself on both counts - drink and laziness "forced" me( (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))to serve as food for some JG2 guys.
On the other hand, we were trying to capture F3 yesterday and the was a lone Spit re-spawning every time and trying to interfere with troops delivery - what did you want us to do? Wait until he gains altitude and engage in "fair" fight? He was killed more than 10 times in less than 5 minutes - we vwere killing him until we all run out of ammo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But he managed to kill/damage our bus twice, so, from his point of view it was worth it...
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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF
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>And that kill tastes even better when you think of them going to the score page to >check your pathetic K/D ratio.
Agreed ! A guy vulched me fifty time and thanked me on CH 1 for padding HIS score...
Bottom line was that my base wasn't taken,even though my K/D ratio went to hell...
Since us Bishs were down to a couple of airfields I felt that this was the right thing to do: sacrifice myself for the team and forget about personal rewards...
I came out of the fight bruised and battered score-wise,but I still had my honor (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) !!
I can't see how ACM kills and vulches can be separated,so it all depends on how one likes to play : for the score or for the team...
As long as one has FUN , no prob!
(and I love to kill a goon on his final run ,after he spent 20 minutes lumbering there!)
Spooky.
"Ten feet tall and bulletproof"
[This message has been edited by Spooky (edited 03-27-2000).]
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Actually if you are down to just two fields, and the enemy is in danger of taking one....
LET THEM!!
Then you get all the rest of your fields back (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Spooky-
Yup, logged on yesterday and Bish was definitely the team in trouble. I switched to Bishop, and soon we were down to only 2 fields (F1-F4). We fought on despite harrowing odds (all Rooks on F4, all Knights on F1). I must say that there was very little whining about the odds, either. S!
There was some vultching going on, but what else could Bishop do? We launched and launched... and eventually we held on.
I can't speak for the Rook front at F4; I was at F1 fighting against the wall of Knights. I can say that the Knights did attempt to get goonies in and win the war. That comment from the Rook (thanks for padding my score) I hope was taken out of context, as I would hate to see any team set up this way for "easy kills".
Bishop did finally break out and get a few fields back. A few of us grabbed bombers and managed to draw enough heat off besieged fields to hold on. Bagged a few fighters too gunning (more luck than anything). Was fun, despite the odds.
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Eye, this isn't Gamestorm and it's not $9.95 per month.
Many folks here do watch thier score, for an indication of many things, and heck I do too to see if my hit % is going up or down based on what I test out. But I've yet to see anyone do a great big Snoopy googely jig and then prance around hollering "I'm numbuh one, I'm numbuh One!!!!"
But you know what? If someone were to someday pay HTC for two accounts ($60/month) and they vulched themselves happy for points. Well "WTFGAS" anyway? (who the $$$$$ gives a &&&)
They payed for it. Whoopity doo.
As for vulching? Well just like they say in regard to "HO's" in that it takes two to 'vulch'. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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The way I see it is that vulching is the only way to keep an airfield suppressed and give the C-47s a chance. Hopefully this will change. (I understand that it is supposed to in 1.02)
Sisu
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I think you guys missed my ponit . Vulching is ok . Killing another account you pay for is not.The guys here at ah love 2 account 3 account guys . Im sure there's some one with 4 or 5 too. Its that your getting cheated when mr tough guy kills you and tells you how good he is. When the truth is a certain percentage of there kills are fake. I feel im getting riped off. Haveing a kill board or ranking system is a waste. I felt that way in aw3 same here i guess. There should be a way to tell if some one practices this tactic.<S> To everyone thx for your posts.
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Forgive my lack of knowledge, but how can one tell if someone is using multiple accounts?
Certainly, if they are, it is a cheapskate way to up ones ranking.
Sisu
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Eye? You're either insane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) ... or I'm talking out a mouth with a treble hook latched on.
-Westy
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Sheesh Westy, what's becoming of this game?
So far I've read complaints about guys upping at closed bases killing goons and troops, guys vulching, guys buying two accounts to pad their score, head ons, calling bingo... it's beginning to look like RR in here. The old argument that higher rates would thin out the whining seals is obviously wrong. But it looks like you were right that dweebs can indeed fly FR and thrive. I wish I could =o/
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The kill scoring is hosed anyways.
A bandit and I trade shots, I bail out and he dies in a fireball. But he gets a kill and I get nothing?
No kills for ditches?
Some taxi-strafing doofus gets a kill when his AAA shoots me down?
The kill stats in this game are utterly worthless. I advise you not to pay much attention to them.
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Well Grizzly EYE does come from AW (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
You can see where he claims it's a rampant problem there <eye roll> too.
Version 1.02 will take care of alot of the issues about base closing, people respawning repetatively (hey. I've done it myself)to kill troops dropped to capture a base and with vehicles it will add a gound defense factor (or even offense)
One problem is that this sim did go pay-to-play a bit early (still beta in my eyes) but I for one found it worth the money.
Another problem is the folks who want to try out Aces High get a two week free trial where many of them bring alot of these silly 'RR' habits from 'other sims' into the arena forcing the rest of the more premanent and paying customers to endure it.
As for vulching, being shot down when calling out bingo and even gang banging.
I've NEVER complained about any of that in AW. My best run to date is predominately vulches. These things are a fact of online life. I've even shot chutes. And liked it!
But to call out bingo and expect NOT to be shot down? Gimme a break.
But I am gratefull that I no longer have to see three text lines of a kill macro from iMpErIaL UbEr-gEnErAl gOoBeRdOoD (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Or that in a scenario or historical evetn I'll not have to wonder why "Maverick", the hottest damned Spitfire pilot in RRE03, decided that rules don't apply to him and goes off and blows a scenario frame plan.
Most whines that one might read about in these boards are at least on topic, be they about gun or aircraft lethality or climb rates and flight modeling. And they're quite literate about it and have even been known to back it up with facts and figures instead of
an all CAPS post demanding that Mage be fired for not making some idjits perception into reality. Oh! And his squad will be leaving too! :P
I still stand by my belief that $30/mo is a good goober filter. I was never naive to think there were no Goober who would be able to afford it. NO sim is invulnerable to morons. The price will help reduce thier numbers for sure. And has imo.
I just wish several folks I know would appreciate flying here could, if not for the higher than AW price plan.
-Westy
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I love vulching. It's one of my cheap thrills, though cruel, I know. It's also hilarious and very satisfying to be in a bomber, place a bomb on the spawn point and actually get a kill. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Also, I like being vulched. It presents a great challenge to push the enemy back. Many times, my teammates and I have sucessfully pushed them back. Of course, if you don't like being vulched, here's a good strategy: Takeoff from a different field! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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HiTech Creations
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Ok eye, your kinda far out on this one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cant see anyone "vulching" themselves via 2 accounts...
Like the man said above, If we have C47's comming in and a good CAP over field are we supposed to let the enemy take off??? Are we forcing the "vulched" player to take off???
I dare say many pilots try to drag the cap down and run him out of ammo by continuously taking off.
The "vulched" also knows he can force the rookie flyers to auger as they dive frantically to try and shoot the parked plane before the rookie right next to him gets the "kill" . Kinda like a shark feeding...
Now as for the pilots getting 10, 12, 13 kills from vulching per sortie... I am one and don't mind telling ya, If someone is gona take off , I am gona kill em. If they are gona take off 13 times, I am gona kill em 13 times. Nothing wrong with that. I'd like to see some rookie get 13 kills in a P51. He would auger, or run out of ammo after 3 or 4 kills (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Remember, Friends don't let friends take off from "vulched" fields.
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Coyote
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Originally posted by funked:
The kill scoring is hosed anyways.
No kills for ditches?
thankyou!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, ditched planes should not VANISH as soon as they stop, they should remain there for a good 60 seconds as big FAT targets. The pilot can live, but the plane must burn!!!!!!! This cowardly way to exit a fight must be eliminated (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
Wish HTC could tell us why this would be so hard to implement and why it would be so bad for game play?? can't think of any myself! Pilot can immediately respawn on runway in his favorite plane, but the old plane remains where it was ditched for 60 seconds....
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Guys killing their own account happens here every day. All i want is a box that gets checked when some one does it. On the killboard. It wont make it stop but it will make it more dificult, i guess different credit card names you would need. Hell i don't know. This stuff goes on dont fool yourselfs. I have talked to enough wb guys that spent 150 + dollars a month to figure out 60 for two is cheap. All i want is a box.You can'tstop thisbehaviour but you can make it tougher to pull off. If you want to fly on different sides a spy so to speak fine. Its not my way to play but the guys at AH are here to make money.
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"Guys killing their own account happens here every day."
Ok. I'll bite. Back this up with soem cold hard facts please. Names if you have them. Film even better.
Till then, I think you're off your rocker.
-Westy
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I don't think it works that way EYE, One callsign one score, I dinnea think one can attach a new password to an exsisting callsign.
"I love vulching. It's one of my cheap thrills, though cruel, I know. It's also hilarious and very satisfying to be in a bomber, place a bomb on the spawn point and actually get a kill.
Also, I like being vulched".
LOL Suppa, you and Dog of Nate crack me up kudos.
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hiya all, my two cent now,
vulching is part of the game yes, but if its just to pad your score, easy way to fix that, just set up game so you dont get points for killing a plane untill it has been in play for atleast 10 to 15 seconds, or how ever long it takes to get up, as well, the plane launching cannot score for same length of time, and cannot have its score hurt for been killed till the time has elasped.
and as far as any body complaining about the vulchers, im sure a lot of you know how often i am the one been vulched, look at my score, 84756364789656487 sorties
84756364789656486 deaths
1 kill
1 assist
just play the game and have some fun, thats what it is here for.
my god, did i say that much, lol
blue skies
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Well said Wolf! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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daddog
332nd Flying Mongrels
http://www.ropescourse.org/flying.htm (http://www.ropescourse.org/flying.htm)
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Right on Wolf!
Vulching is an incredibly fun part of the sim, and i dont mind it one bit!
Jarbo
of the Buccaneers
P.S. I truly doubt many people have more than one account!
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Damb right! Just had to leave a nine streak at F22 just now. Cod that vulching felt good!
-Westy
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I forgot to post you can kill some one in air too. Its the killing of 2nd or third account i have a prob with. As for film i wish i had 1. When i first started this game i followed the best i could find. Tried to find out their tactics. I saw something very funny happen. It stuck in my head for a month thus the post. Like i said i wish i had a film to see what you all think. If i ever see something that look funny going on ill film it and post it here for sure so you all understand.
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eye, I think you are on drugs.... who is setting up 2nd and 3rd accounts and "killing themselves" ??? WHO?? Names please.... LOL Not that I care, just like to see you prove this one... Is it you? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif) This thread is silly... just SILLY... And that moron who said kills should not count unless the plane has been in the air for 15 seconds.... what a moron..... this thread is 99% entertainment only.....LOL
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Eye,
Can you please explain how this actually works?
Do they sign up multiple accounts, who would actually pay 30$ for each account djust to gain score?!?!
Over 4 yrs of online flying and ive never heard of such an thing.
Untill you explain further i will take this thread is an troll.
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Eye .
I have often suspected that many of the top players are runing multiple accounts so that they can strafe themselves. But I didnt have the courage to post it. Could they be bombing them selves too?
Makes you wonder, imagine the advantages to be gleened from bombing yourself....Would be hard to resist if you could afford the accounts.
Bet all those trainer guys stafe themselves all the time.
Thanks for bringin this up.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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Pfffft!
Please tell me you guys are joking! do you realy suck so bad at this game that you have to accuse respectable players of cheating?
Friggin amazing! <shakes head>
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Dang, he caught me.
Alright, I admit it, all the squad of bastards are the same person, and I keep shooting myself not so much for score, but to see 'Fat Drunk Bastards' on the screen.
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Fatty
FAT DRUNK BASTARDS (http://fdb.50megs.com)
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I've seen enough vulching in this game to know it would be much easier to have one account and let someone else come up for the easy vulch than to try to fly both planes yourself.
I have been a vulchee, and a vulcher on enough occasions to know that there are those pilots out there that don't really care if they are padding someone's score.
AKDejaVu
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Fine. I'm someone's score potato. I live to serve points to my master.
Um.
SO what?
EYE. You are a stump.
[This message has been edited by Curly (edited 03-31-2000).]
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I am not on drugs nor am i crazy or far out. That said i must say coyote im not talking about you and i will post my results soon. I will film the guy i think is doing this and show you all. I also find it interesting who has posted here on this topic it. A couple of these guys i have wondered about. Hmm boy did they get mad!
How is this done well i have never done it but here is how it was done in aw3. Guy buys several accounts one his main one the ego account gets all the glory and is the mouth peice. The 2nd account is a newbe or a name that you normaly do not recognize. In aw3 or wb its much easier to see through this tactic because fewer new player are around and you know their names. This 2nd account if the guys smart gets its name changed regularly. The 2nd account is in another country usualy as a spy. This allows you to see how high the guys you are fighting and who it is. If you have a arguement this account will tail you ,shadow you for this first account .The mouth piece. If the guys a head hunter he will use this info to try to set you up to kill you. He knows your alt and position. In my book if you doing this it sucks but AH has to make money its a valid tactic that top players use all the time dont fool yourselves. The prob is when you cross the line and pop mr number 2. Why do this? Personaly i think its to keep a high kill per mission. Sometimes all the bogies leave and to keep up their kill board they must do it. Guys who do this are driven by the game. By the killboard stats. To do this i assume you need two accounts, computers and phone lines although im not sure. There are other variations on two account fighting but im not going into it. The cool part that no one has asked me about is how to defeat someone whose doing this to you but im nuts right lol how would i know lol. Guess ill save that for another post. One more thing the realy sly guys fly two but fly them both good vulch neither and use both to support each other ie as spys. You never know who they are they could be your wing man lol. Flame on boys everything i said is right on the money!
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LOL !
This is the most absurd topic I`ve ever seen on a BB!
PS-watch out for the black helicopters with the brain scanners (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) They are coming to get you eye.If you make a cap out of aluminum foil you may be able to escape them. <G>
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I have never seen anyone do what Eye is talking about, but he isnt' crazy.
I know quite a few people (some in AW and some in WB's) that own two computers, two phone lines, and two accounts. So it is possible for this to happen. Remember all the bomber guys in AW Scenario's that gun for their own bombers?
This is possible, especially in off hours, at a base where no one is defending. Account 1 knocks out the ack. Account 1 then comes over in a fighter, then account 2 spawns on the runway, account 1 vulchs. Respawn account 2. Account 1 vulchs.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is happening. Because I have never seen it.
But technically its very possible.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Wait! (This is getting funnier) In your first post you say, "There is alot of guys here that are flying 2 accounts or more."
Now you say "the" guy in your last post. Which is it? Is this a conspiracy or are you raving about one guy? And so what?
Really? S_O W_H_A_T ??
<dons aluminum foil hat>
And you DO realise you cannot change your account handle here right? And EACH account is 30/mo, right?
Seriously now. I'd like to just go on record to say if someone has indeed opened two or three acounts just for __<snickers loudly>__ for points.... Well what can I say but WTFG!!!!!!! Keep that dough rolling into the HTC coffers and maybe I'll get my P-47 by the summer! Oh! And need any help doing it?? I'll let you vulch me too!
Eye, you're proof you can take the dweeb out of brand 'A' but you can't take the brand 'A' idiocoy out of the dweeb.
-Westy
p.s. Verm I know that there were several simpletons who did this in AW. Who couldn't
at 10/mo per account and with a completely changeable handle on each to help add to the confusion? All it did was get thier name in the Gamestorm Top Scores list for that month or campaign.... Which is impressive to themselves only really.
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well i can say that im my house we have 2 computers and 2 accounts on AH one is mine and the other is my fathers but we are both on the same team and even on the same squad. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) if someone wats to spend and extra 30$ a month just to bad there score i say its there money but i think it would be faster just to look for a furball and go in and kill somethings (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Just my thoughts
Trell
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What you proved is that you cant interact with me in a normal manner westy. Truth be known you tried in aw3 to fly with me and got sheered lol like a sheep. Changeing your name matters all you need is to open and close your account lol. AH is very prompt on this point. If life people will try to get a edge any way if they care about something enough.
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OH one more thing im trying to cut down on my trash talking in this game. Turn over a new leaf so to speak.All it got me was hunted and hacked even if i won the argument.This is a problem here all i wanted was to bring it out the shadows and have a discussion.ITs the dirty secret of these games wb included.
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You're serious? All along I thought this was a joke, a troll.
No Eye, you're quite right. I can't interact with you in a normal manner because there's something most definately "bent" about you.
As for flying with you in AW3? Cripes, I've never even heard of you till Aces High. You're not the type of person I would be found "flying with" anyhow. I'm not paranoid nor delusional, and I never cared a bit about points.
Arg!
Watch out Eye!
There's another one of them!! <points off to the distance and snickers as Eye seeks the evil point mongerer out>
See ya! Fruit cake.
-Westy
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Eye I dont know about AW but to propose this thing happening in WB is pure BS.
And mind you I have never used that term in any thread before.
As far as AH goes, numbers are still small and we all know each other.Untill now, all I have seen is some *very* competent flying in the top 100.
danish
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Read your above post you talked about aw so how you know lol. There was a westy there too.You not going to fess up fine lol. Do me a favor you find me in the arena we settle this. For anyone else who has seen this please read Westy's post's. A example of some one who is trying to ride me because he couldent hang in aw3. lol i killed you and flamed you in wb too under another name. My last post so you can have the last word. If you were hopeing to get me off topic lol you did. I will be seeing you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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You got it Forrest. (tips hat to the loony)
-Westy
(never flown WB's online)