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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: -ammo- on June 04, 2002, 06:44:33 PM
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Pyro, I found this in reading a book ( ANGELS ZERO authored by WW2 P-47 pilot, Robert Brulle. Brulle flew with the 366th FG and flew late war P-47 variants (D25's-D30's). He says that when HVAR's were carried, they could not fire their guns due to the likelyhood of the spent cases damaging the rocket fire wires. Would this be an easy implementation?
Also he states that the P-47 had a lockable tail wheel, basically negating the negative impact of engive torque on takeoff. Quote--" recalling the difficulty torque caused me on my first P-40 takeoff, I was determined not to repeat the experience (the author was all over the runway trying to keep the P-40 straight). I needn't have worried. The P-47's tail wheel lock kept the AC rolling straight down the runway during takeoff."
Would it be possible to implemnent these? Would it be undesirable from a gameplay standpoint?
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Maybe we should add some weight to
:D
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in the same update, lets take the titanium out of the P-38 fuselage:D
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in the same update, lets take the titanium out of the P-38 fuselage
Hell yeah!
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in the same update, lets take the titanium out of the P-38 fuselage
Or rename it : "The Flying PNZR" :D
OTOH, the wingtips are still waaayyyyyy too soft!
Muuhahahahah, ;)
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LOL Yup Apar, wing tips can only take 3x20mm before blowing off :)
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Also can we get the Paddel Pade Prop for the P-47D-11 and optional hard points for the wings for a pair of eggs??
And the Rear view mirror :D
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Doh..they should have a spell checker on this thing!!.. make that a Paddel Blade Prop!
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Virtually all American fighters had locking tail wheels. If you read through any pilot's handbook for these aircraft, you will find an item on the takeoff checklist that says, "tail wheel locked." BTW, locking the tail wheel did aid in controlling torque, that is until you raised the tail. This is when most pilots got into trouble due to torque, on takeoff that is. A worst case scenerio ofr torque roll was when an inexperienced pilot "firewalled" the throttle at speeds near stall. There was insufficient airflow across the control surfaces to overcome the effect of torque, and the fighters tended to roll inverted, stall and spin in. In this regard, many pilots experienced in both the P-51 and F4U will tell you that the P-51 was as bad or worse than the famous "Ensign Eliminator" with regard to "torque roll." Thunderbolts, thanks to their greater bulk, were easier to control. P-38s were, essentially, torque-free unless an engine failed on takeoff. If that were to occur, only the most experienced pilots could avoid rolling inverted and crashing alongside the runway This was almost impossible to avoid if you were still below minimum single engine airspeed. It took experience and a cool head to chop the throttle on the good engine while pushing the nose down with scant room between you and the ground. If possible, the preferred method was to land straight ahead. Should that not be feasible, and should the P-38 not hit a ground object, the pilot could then slowly add power to the good engine until he could climb out and make an emergency landing.
Sorry for wandering off topic....
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
Also can we get the Paddel Pade Prop for the P-47D-11
Absolutely !
and optional hard points for the wings for a pair of eggs??
IIRC there weren't any wing hard points in D-11, they were added from D-15 onward?
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Hrrmm.. I thought I had seen one that they did field mod's and installed somewhere around 250lbs on each wing..tho..like I said out in the feild they did very odd things with a/c. Even seen them with 150 gal drop tanks from P-38's. Those were done on some pacific P-47N's if I'm not mistaken..If I can locate the photo with those drop tanks I'll put it up.
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Yep, the D-11's and D-15's of the 56th FG were modified in Feb 44 and they recieved the 150 gallon DT's just in time for operation Big Week. However, to be quite honest, I am unsure if they were capable of flying them on teh wings, or as a belly external. My guess is a belly tank only at that time.
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(psst - try again ->paddle)
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WHAT fuselage ye preeecks? The thing is a wing with 2 tails and a nose. GOTCHA! HAHAHHA. :D :D :D :D
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As far as i know Bf109 and FW190 also had lockable tailwheels.
Most interesting thing with the FW190 might be that in the flight instruction for take off the pilot is advised to keep the tailwheel on the ground till the bird takes off on its own.
Seems that in the FW190 some kind of "3-point-take-off" was normal, mainly because flight engineers feared the propeller could touch the ground when the pilot raises the tail to high.
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LOLOL, Wilbuz, he means he got U, I just quoted U, :D
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In some planes, locked tailwheel meant the tailwheel was locked to the rudder, so it moved with the rudder. E.g. P-51.
On most others a locked tailwheel meant that the tailwheel could not steer at all.
The problem is that it's hard to tell which plane has which type of lock, even if you have the pilot's manuals.
I'm pretty sure all planes in AH are modeled with the P-51-style tailwheel.
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Hey all.. found the info on this..subject of wing points for the D-11
The P-47D-6-RE to P-47D-11-RE and P-47G-10-CU to 15-CU production blocks had only ventral shackles, which were stressed to accommodate one 500-lb bomb, but subsequent production blocks were fitted with underwing pylons and stronger wings which permitted them to carry two 1000-lb bombs, three 500-lb bombs or a combination of bombs and drop tanks. Either six or eight machine guns could be carried, and maximum ammunition capacity was 425 rpg. However with the full ordinance load, ammunition capacity was reduced to 267 rpg.
At about this time, a number of Thunderbolts suffered mysterious engine failures during missions over the Continent that could not be ascribed to enemy action. It was eventually discovered that the additional weight of the bombs and drop-tanks added so much weight to the aircraft that the Thunderbolt was able to build up excessively-high speeds during bombing attacks. During the recovery from these high-speed dives, g-forces got so high that a surge or vapor lock was produced in the fuel lines which the fuel pump was unable to overcome.
So yes it was done but sometimes had negitve side to it.. Hell I'll still take it..
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_Angels Zeor_ was a great book...i wish more guys from the 9th's fighter-bomber squads would write their autobiographies. I read another one called _P47 Pilots_ (dont have the author's name available because I am@work now
¦¬þ ). The ground pounders seem to go into great detail about some thing. You'll never read a book by some 20 kill ace that describes the effect of
a high G pullout on unselltled intestines...
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P-47 Pilots "The Fighter-Bomber Boys", another great book. Author was Tom Glenn.
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Ja, thats the book.....great read...those jabos write great boox
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...now that we're somewhat off topic on this thread, anyone know of books by combatants in less well covered theaters? i found "Swatstika in the Gunsight" by a Soviet pilot, & i have one by a guy who flew 109s for Isreal in the Isreali independence war, but I've never seen any books written by any Italian fighter pilots, nor Finns, nor Yugoslavs, Hungarians, Norwegians, Chinese, Brasilian....did India have fighter pilots? I know there were RAF squads in India (Ginger Lacey was there i think)...and does anyone know if Sailor Malan wrote an autobiography?