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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RAM on August 30, 2000, 09:56:00 PM
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Well,after hearing much rants and claims about A5 uberness, G10 invencibility,etc etc etc, today I had a boring day and decided to give a try to a plane I rarely had flown since early v1.2-the P51.
First sortie was from A27 to A16, where the usual low-intensity furball was going on. 50% fuel and 6 MGs. Got 3 enemies and landed.
Second sortie was very similar. But this time got 4 kills, one of them a bit weird because as I started to fire I got a red beacon for some seconds (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif). Landed immediatly (so cutting my streak) and reloged.
Third was longer. Went near A1 to kill a low level 109 and then climbed to A13 where there was a massive knit attack on a bish field. I was soon surrounded by unhappy knits (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) but managed to kill a fw190 shortly before another 109 killed me.
After It I returned with my A5 to fly a coop flight with a newbie friend of mine, then I moved to TA for a long long time.
Came back some 3 hours later, to find rookland gangbanged from all sides. A31, A26 and A16 (now rook) were being bounced at the same time, I chose a P51 and started from A27, moving to A16. I reached A16 at 10K, and dived to clear a 6. There I became involved into a furious low level furball where I killed 4 cons and had 2 assists regardless that we all were at sea level and waves of bishops were coming at 10-15K. I died after a P51 dived on me from 15K when I was at 5K and slow, and HOed me. (this thing is getting REALLY OLD! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif) ).
Next one I upped from A27 again and moved to A16. There was less action now, only one niki. I dived on her,as did other 3 rooks, and noticed a red spot on my left...A M3!!!. I broke the attack on the niki and looped over the M3, and killed it. Still he managed to kill one of my external MGs.
I climbed up to 10K and returned to A16 where the knights were now attacking (they had conquered A31 shortly before). I saw KKen and another rook on a B17 and the bomber firing at them. I sneaked on the B17 and severed his wing with a 5 second burst. Then I realized that a rook had a P38 on his six , but this time I had very few ammo on my internal MGs and only one external. Still I dived on it and cleared the mate's six, getting some pings on the meantime. assist.
Landed succesfully.
And last one I upped from A27 and climbed S to avoid the incoming knit wave from North. Then I went W for a while until I spotted a knit P51 and bish P47 fighting. I dived under them and did an immelmann. The P51 kept running (strange thing, huh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) ) but the P47D-25 started a fight with me. A wonderful one, BTW, where I nearly was surprised with the E keeping of the 47. Still with help of flaps I won his six and killed it.
I ended low and slow and spotted a bish 109 coming for me. I was nearly hoppeless, but still I managed to drain all his E, and keep into a scissors with him thanks to the flaps of the P51. I barely kept control of my P51, but the 109 (evidently a G10) ended augering, and I got the kill ( he had shot at me before). Then I climbed back to A16 to see Kwan bounced by a knit F4U. we tried to bring it down but he kept on BnZ me (kwan had to disengage), so I couldnt get enough E to fight it. Then I saw a hi bish P51 coming that instead of going forr the hog went for me. I avoided his bounce and then the F4U's one, but,still, he got pings on me killing my rudder and my chances to down him on the overshoot. Still I pinged him well, but the P51 came into me and finished me.
Total K/D on a plaane that I had not touched since 2 months ago (one mission with Heater and HT), and that I dindt fly regularly since Tour 3:
17/3
And most of the time I flew it I flew it low and slow, clearly on the defensive, and in NO moment I tried to run like a little girl because "my P51 cant turn with your uber 190A5".I stayed and Fought, even against the odds. Still I landed all but 3 of the sorties.
Next time I hear that the G10 is the best plane in Aces High, that the A5 is a monster,or that AH is "Cannons High" I'm going to get a good laugh at the poor guy who say it.
(BTW I did a 540IAS dive up to 50 feet to fire at a niki, got impacts on it, but the faulty wings dont seem so weak in my computer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
<G,D,R> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-31-2000).]
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Hi Ram,
Well glad you had a good time. The P-51 Mustang is still the premiere fighter in the sim. It is normally my only ride, but since the Jug came to AH I fly that alot. But both here and in WB the Pony is and will always be King.
Sharky
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Man,have to say-having flown vs RAM in his Stang...He's the only guy that gives me a tombstone on a consistent basis. Vs the 51,once you learn to deny a higher faster fighter the shot ,the 'avg.'BnZer can be baited into blowing his E state to below minimum 'extend' requirements.That should mean his termination.Of course,as i STILL cant shoot for toejam,they still sometimes escape.
The other guy that kills me consistently is EZ in his P-47.These type planes,(driven by this calibre pilot) CAN be flown agressively and 'force the issue' enough to demand the angle fighter to reduce his E-state to termination levels.
In the hands of the avg. pilot however,I usually can force at least a disengagement vs. the Stang.
By-Tor
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RAM has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the P-51D against the Fw 190A-5.
RAM has 2 kills and has been killed 1 time in the P-51D against the Bf 109G-10.
RAM has 1 kill and has been killed 2 times in the P-51D against the P-51D.
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Originally posted by Citabria:
RAM has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the P-51D against the Fw 190A-5.
RAM has 2 kills and has been killed 1 time in the P-51D against the Bf 109G-10.
RAM has 1 kill and has been killed 2 times in the P-51D against the P-51D.
LOL...it should be a good point, but it isnt. You know why?...because there is no assists listed. I fought at least 4 Fw190a5s in the first part of the night (before going to TA), one was quite stolen (but I remained silent), 2 more were assists, and one last augered with no kill awarded. I am sure they were all A5s, the yellow band on the tail is inconfundible.
The G10 who killed me was Ede, near A13,when I was surrounded by 2 more knits, if he had not killed me, a 190 would've done, so giving you a (invalid) argument in the above statement. Note that I could've 0g dived for safety after killing the 190 I killed, but I remained in the combat against 4 knights, alone, and killed one.
The 2 p51s that killed me are listed in my story avobe. one was a STUPID HO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif), other was a intelligent opportunist (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). (i think he first got me then he got the F4U).
Now citabria ,your points are...?
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-30-2000).]
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The P-51D has 421 kills and has been killed 446 times against the Bf 109G-10.
The P-51D has 386 kills and has been killed 471 times against the Fw 190A-5.
The P-51D has 101 kills and has been killed 72 times against the Fw 190A-8.
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Originally posted by Citabria:
The P-51D has 421 kills and has been killed 446 times against the Bf 109G-10.
The P-51D has 386 kills and has been killed 471 times against the Fw 190A-5.
The P-51D has 101 kills and has been killed 72 times against the Fw 190A-8.
And?...not my fault that a usual Fw190A5 driver knows to ride a P51D better than a usual P51 driver.
In other words, If handled properly, P51 is deadly. But there is many more people here worried about running in the P51 instead of fighting in it. And THAT is my point.
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Originally posted by Citabria:
The P-51D has 101 kills and has been killed 72 times against the Fw 190A-8.
That last one is TRULY funny (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Says all about your "argument" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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That too was my point.Would love to see the 51 flown more agressively, because it is a VERY deadly and capable machine.I think also that it is the preferred ride of a high percentage of relatively inexperienced pilots,due to its historic notoriety and beautifull lines.As such,the kill stats of the P-51 may be among the most inaccurate(as far as being an indicator of the potential effectiveness) of all planes in AH.
By-Tor
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P-51 remains the best air-to-air weapon in the game. If we could get one with proper 315 Sqn. markings I would fly nothing else. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW I love how people use statistics here. If the statistics show your plane at a disadvantage it means the plane is undermodeled. But if they show your plane is at an advantage it just means that better pilots fly your plane. Gives me a chuckle everytime I see it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 08-30-2000).]
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And?...not my fault that a usual Fw190A5 driver knows to ride a P51D better than a usual P51 driver. -RAM
your whole argument is irrelevant
your individual experience from one day in a P-51 in no way can condone or disdain the flight model of the P-51 based on your Kill to death ratio in it.
its about like saying the P-38L flight model is incorrect because most find it to be a big fat easy target and its not easy to fly succesfully.
it's all just a slanted observation from a certain point of view until you fly that aircraft all the time and see the ins and outs of what makes a P-51 sing and what makes it go down in flames in every possible scenario.
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Again, seems a sound argument. Again, in fact, it isnt.
Tour 3 scores:
ram has 94 kills and has been killed 34 times in the P-51D.
As you see I flew P51 extensively in Tour3.I took it first time to check the effects of the (then just fixed) flaps. I had such a astonishing success in it, I reached a 9/1 score at one point (will never forget it, 27Kills/3 deaths), that I stuck with it for a while. Then I got bored of it and returned to Fw190A8.
I recall some of those 34 deaths (dont remember how many ,sorry, but at least 5 of them) being in spawns from vulched fields (yes, yes I know it...I also used to spawn in A8s from capped fields (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)). In one point I reached 80(+or-) kills vs 12 deaths and next night was something like 85/30. So go figure...
After reading the thing of the "tweaking down" of the P51, the "breaking wings" and the "turned down 50 cals" mixed with "cannons high", I thought P51 should be worse than then.
In fact is better.
Yes, citabria noone can base an argument from only one night. But this night I flew the P51 in disadvantageous positions for nearly 80% of the time, other nights I am sure I can fly it from the advantage. So I guess that the results will be, not only not worse, but BETTER than tonight's.
Anyway ,as you see, I have flown P51 a lot. I know the plane. And for me is the best arena plane in Aces High, hands down.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-30-2000).]
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Here a little fact for yas.
Wardog has 13 kills and has been killed 4 times in the Fw 190A-5.
Now i have allmost 3 sorties in total in the 190a5, but flew it as i would a p51. The only difference is Cannons. I prefer .50s..
So i find no difference between the 190a5 & p51 except for the weapons and the fact that the p51 is much prettier (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
It take no skill to fly the 190a5 or the p51. Both rides are the same.
Dog out..
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it's just your personal opinion RAM.
and you know how much I value your opinion (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 08-30-2000).]
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Originally posted by Citabria:
it's just your personal opinion.
and you know how much I value your opinion (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Heh...just as much as I do value yours.
But who minds? me not (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Wardog:
Here a little fact for yas.
Wardog has 13 kills and has been killed 4 times in the Fw 190A-5.
Now i have allmost 3 sorties in total in the 190a5, but flew it as i would a p51. The only difference is Cannons. I prefer .50s..
So i find no difference between the 190a5 & p51 except for the weapons and the fact that the p51 is much prettier (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
It take no skill to fly the 190a5 or the p51. Both rides are the same.
Dog out..
Wardog you are giving me the reason. I dont say that P51 is a superplane, I say it is the BEST arena plane, and that if it was used to FIGHT (like you do) and not to run it would have a much better K/D ratio than now.
And for sure there would be much less whinin on 190A5 and 109G10s, and less "runstang" calls on #1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
P51s are fighters, damnit. Not running dogs.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-30-2000).]
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so RAM now that you have proven the P-51d flight model lives up to it's historical counterparts reputation and needs no adjustment...
tell me your opinion of the accuracy of the Fw190a5 flight model.
is it accurate in your opinion?
or is it undermodelled or overmodelled?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hehe, sorry you dont value my opinions, do you?...then I must have to ignore your question (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Extraofficially, I must say I feel it is a bit unnacurate (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) there seems to be a bit weight problem with the A5... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Ask Pyro. He knows about it already (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
BTW I was talking about the use given to the P51 in MA, not the plane modelling. It has been a nice try to hijack the thread and lock it up in a A5 whining fest. But so sorry I wont fall in your trap (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-30-2000).]
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I knew it!!!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Extraofficially, I must say I feel it is a bit unnacurate there seems to be a bit weight problem with the A5...
Ask Pyro. He knows about it already
[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 08-30-2000).]
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Citabria, as I told you before I wont let you hijack the thread. This is the last answer I give you here.
The paragraph you quoted is the main reason I flew P51 tonight. Boredom. Boredom of HOs, of running dweebs and stupid whining on German plane models. That was no argument for my post. Was an introduction.
In nowhere I say P51 is over or undermodelled, nor I say anything about A5's model or G10's model. I say that there has been a lot of whinin on A5 modelling (fact) and G10 invencibility (Fact).
And so I said what I said. Clear now?. I hope, because I wont answer you anymore in this thread.
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Originally posted by Citabria:
I knew it!!!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Oh well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) as you edited your post I will answer too to this one.
I said it is unnacurate. I said there is a problem with weights.
I didnt said if there is more weight or less (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). So you know NOTHING (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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yeah I think it's too heavy too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
ROFLMAO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I will hijack the thread, ty.
Nath11 has 42 kills and has been killed 2 times in the Yak-9U.
Would be 42/0 except for 1 death because of a disco, and the other from a suicidal newbie who vulched me when i was landing with no fuel.
Yak9U is the best aircraft in the game below 20k. Only thing that rivals it is the 109G10.
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Geschwaderkommodore JG 54
"Grünherz"
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Aces High Scenario Corps
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 08-31-2000).]
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Lighten up!
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RAM, the 190 (A8) near 13 you attacked low and slow, near 13, when Ede shoot you down, was me, and i was very surprised the p51 was you... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
you...
you...
you...
you RAMstang !!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Traitor of the luftlobby !!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Do you mean to tell me that Field Marshal von RAMmel has gone over to the other team?
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Yes, i am a witness, of his traiment, sir.
I am ready to testify in the martial court, sir.
I need just little protection, he already menace me.
...Sir. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Geeezzz nobody mentioned the F4U yet ....
Duckwng6 has 15 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the P-51D.
Duckwng6 has 10 kills and has been killed 4 times in the F4U-1D against the Fw 190A-5.
gotta say i don't think the 51 is the fines weapon in ah (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
DW6
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RAM, you didn't mention that some of them were vulches, was it at 16? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I was rather surprised to see you in a 51.
On a positive note, you should be fairly used to the P51 as I think it flies like the 190a5 (IMHO), yet a lot less responsive in everyway, though the wings fall off in steep dives and very hard turns. I've flown the 190a5 about 20 times now and I'm still getting used to it but it's fun, not totally different to everything else.
As for the P51 being porked, well HTC have said that there IS something wrong with it and have been working on new flight models (which include other planes too).
Regards
'Nexx'
[This message has been edited by Replicant (edited 08-31-2000).]
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As a member of Hitech's squad, I sure hope you don't get any extra influence chatting as wingmen. Your idea of scoring in the MA is pathetic, and if HTC ops for the perk planes,I hope your idea of score is completley disregarded.
Quote: "I fought at least 4 Fw190a5s in the first part of the night (before going to TA), one was quite stolen (but I remained silent), 2 more were assists, and one last augered with no kill awarded."
That's just plain ridiculous. Wake up.
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lets just fix the paper wing spars on the AC so i can put my faith in it again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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RAM buddy, you got an excuse for everything. As you get older you will learn that generally your responsible for what happens to you whether its the virtual arena, or in real life. So if you died, you died period. If you got the kill, great job, you got the kill. But if you only got an assist, whelp you screwed up somewhere and only got an assist.
Two words. Personal responsibility. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Sucess or failure come from you and you alone.
That said...
Who ever said the P-51 wasn't a good plane? I personally rank it along with the G10 as the two best planes in the game, and I've said that since the beta. Especially if your flying to live.
But I do have to disagree with you on at least one point.
You say early in your post that you got kill after kill, and that the MG's were as effective as the 190's cannons, so we should shut up about "Cannonbirds". But then when Citabria points out that didn't have the kills you claimed you did in the score, you said that they were "assists". Ummm.... could that be because your using the MG's instead of cannons? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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But.but...DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!! WHO SAID IT WAS MY FAULT NOT TO GET THE KILLS!?!??!?! I SAID I GOT ONE STEAL(wingless con) AND 2 ASSISTS!!!! NOT THAT THEY HAD TO BE KILLS! As if they'd be with cannons they would've assist anyway. Both were close combats with me putting some rounds on them and that is not going to kill anything with 2 mausers!!!! (nor with 4 ,to be true.). I simply STATED that I FOUGHT with SEVERAL fw190A5s, and that the 0kill/0deaths says only half the story.
Nexx, yes 3 kills were vulches, i said it clearly in the #1 channel. 2 times Hitech one another one I dont recall. Ok, as you want, sustract them from the K/D, and do it too with the M3: 13/3. Better now?.
About the P51 similar to A5...well a5 accelerates better and rolls much faster. BUt after testing the 50 cals I must say that P51 has better weapons (I'm serious), its faster, and handles very well over 10K, thing that 190As will never do.I see them as completely different planes.
Nath11, I disagree. Yak9U bleeds a lot of E each time it does a move. Not matter it builds it fast too, the thing is that you can win E over it for short laps of time. Plus I find it quite unstable, the P51 is like a rock in that sense.
And 51 has LOADS of ammo. For me is the best plane of AH at all altitude.
Oh well. Screw it. I said nothing. I will gladly see how the P51 used to run until the end of time, not staying and fight. We'll all be quite bored of it but as is "their" 30$ and in MA all is ok, stupid or not, Who minds?.
Last post in this thread.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-31-2000).]
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Fury has 0 kills and has been killed 1 time in the C-47A.
Fury has 0 kills and has been killed 3 times in the C-47A.
Fury has 0 kills and has been killed 6 times in the C-47A.
Proof that the C47 FM is still wrong.
Fury
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My opinion about this..
Some kills killed statistics don't tell the truth when we take in count that newbies are more likely to fly famous P-51 than FW190A5.
Therefore that causes few killed points more for P-51 as they think its a man sized mosquito.
Next... I have tried myself P-51 sometimes also and I've had great success, even when .50 calibers were weaker than those are now.
Really puts me wonder why all that cry on 190s when P-51 outclasses those, what comes to that how I've performed in P-51.
P-51 vs. Fw190 in streaking would mean that P-51 would have greater streak.
*fixed*
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 08-31-2000).]
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Ram, buddy. Chill.
The reason the P51 looks so good to ANYBODY that looks at it:
She's got options. Loads of 'em. I fly her aggresively (albeit, I have to get used to the lego wings, but hey... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ), others fly it rather timidly. And with it's superb e-retention and top speed both at alt and on the deck, she has a disengagement option no fighter pilot worth his stick would thumb his nose at.
She's got a decent amount of firepower. True, she's no P47 or 190, but a good full 2 second burst put into a con will generally bring em down.
Throw all these together, and you can see why the P-51 is easy to be called the best. You can tailor suit and trim her to your fighting style.
Bottom line-
It's all about options.
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-Rebel
"You Rebel Scum"
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lol Fury
You want some Mini-guns and a howitzer putting in her? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
'Nexx'
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Originally posted by RAM:
Nexx, yes 3 kills were vulches, i said it clearly in the #1 channel. 2 times Hitech one another one I dont recall. Ok, as you want, sustract them from the K/D, and do it too with the M3: 13/3. Better now?.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-31-2000).]
lol RAM, it doesn't bother what kills you get, I'm just going on the title of the topic "The Much Underrated P51" whereas any plane can vulch. What I mean to say is that your combat kills show how effective the P51 can be, the vulches don't show diddly. No need to get your knickers in a tiswas! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Regards
'Nexx'
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RAM said:
LOL...it should be a good point, but it isnt. You know why?...because there is no assists listed. I fought at least 4 Fw190a5s in the first part of the night (before going to TA), one was quite stolen (but I remained silent)
RAM later said:
I SAID I GOT ONE STEAL(wingless con)
Ram,
Once again I give you the same advice I give you everytime you begin to rant for this long. Shut up.
Your double standards and mixed messages are transparent to everyone that reads your threads. Your inate ability to continue arguing long after the battle has been lost reflects poorly on your decision making process and your deductive reasoning.
Simply let it go.
AKDejaVu
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? sorry I am posting one more post...but...
AK, what do you mean with that?...I stated in the first quoted that one was quite stolen (I severed the wing of a A5 and "someone" came and killed the spinning plane), and that ,still I remained silent.
Then I repeated the same, that I was stolen a wingless con.
Where is the problem there?...I dont see it.
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When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is STOP digging.
Cobra
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SOB has 146 kills and has been killed 135 times
Holy toejam! I'm in the positive! And RAM, I have only one thing to say to you...Piss Off! I just read this thread in it's entirety, and that's 15 minutes of my life that I'll never get back! If you make it to the con, you owe me a drink.
SOB
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"less skilled people are more likely to fly famous P-51 than FW190A5."
ROFL FISHU!!!!
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SOB
Hey at 16 last night I had fun stealing a couple of kills from biscuits on rooks (me being a knight). Was talking on RW about it to my squaddies. Ran in and took down a FW190 and a 205. Laughed my arse off!! Was that you RAM? If so, thanks for setting the cementheads up for me - they were easy pickings.
Of course I died alot more than I killed. Hey - someone has to be the target....
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Sour
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"Hey - someone has to be the target...."
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[This message has been edited by sourkraut (edited 08-31-2000).]
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*click**click**click**click**click**click*
(tosses controller into wall) *thump*
*sigh*
"Yo, it's squeak hour again and it looks like the damn clickers busted.. all the channels are playin the same noise again.... "
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Originally posted by funked:
"less skilled people are more likely to fly famous P-51 than FW190A5."
ROFL FISHU!!!!
"Cadillac of the skies", doesn't that tell many newbies what plane is that what they want to stick in.. plane that sounds the best?
Alot posters and stuff wrote of it... kinda makes newbies go for it. (and die in it as they think its sooo uber)
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Fishu.. it is the use of the phrase "less skilled people". Newbies may be a better term.
Skill level has nothing to do with it... there are plenty of "less skilled people" that fly all aircraft in the arena. These are the people that account for a large percentage of deaths in planes like the 190, 109s and p51 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Have you ever wondered why it was really easy to kill some pilots but really hard to kill others (in the same type of plane)?
The p51 is popular because it is a cool plane that Americans are familiar with. The F4u falls into the same category. Its pretty much as simple as that.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Fishu.. it is the use of the phrase "less skilled people". Newbies may be a better term.
Yes I admit, I did figure that out today as I were reading.. and like I said on more recent post..
Think I posted that at 5am, at the time I found something wrong with 'newbies' instead finding something wrong with 'less skilled'
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jez guys...
I fly the P-51D. I like the P-51D.
Other people Fly 109s. They like 109s
Other people Fly 190s. They like 190s
Why do we have to bash peoples prefered plane? What the hell is this thread going to achieve? More hatred for people based on the planes they choose to fly? This is OLD.
If you *geniunly* believe a plane is 'too uber' then tell HTC with *facts* to back it up and a repeatedable process to regenerate your findings. Let them decide, its their game. You have a choice to pay them for the merits of the game or let them go bust for a shoddy product.
PS Ram, i realise you werent bashing the P51 as the original reason for this thread.
[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 08-31-2000).]
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IMO, P 51D is among the best AH planes. Its qualities are well known and numerous. And it even looks good. Along with nice historical record. It is very easy to understand why American players (and others too) like it. Flown to its strengths it can rack up impressive record.
IMO, C-Hog would be even better in AH, if without that 6 view. Of course, if flown to its strengths. I can understand Americans like it because of its historical record, but it sure ain't pretty. Correction though, it was D-Hog who had great historical record, C-Hog's was marginal (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). IMO, the pilots that fly D-Hog are true enthusiasts who should really be congratulated for their dedication to the plane. They turned down a cannon crutch and are investing in skill to fly the plane they admire. Salute !
A dedicated LW type has to choose between 2 planes, of which only 3 subtypes are really competitive. Me 109G-10, Fw 190A-5 and Fw 190A-8. Success in other subtypes (109s) relies heavily on pilot ability, IMO.
However, all LW planes can be reasonably successfull in AH. Some easier, some harder than others. If you die, you probably died because of your own mistake. Don't blame your plane or plane that enemy flew. If C-Hog shot you, you probably gave him that tiny firing window which is enough for him to disintegrate your plane. If a P 51D or D-Hog shot you, you made a bigger mistake for sure.
After one month of AH apstinence and from this perspective, my opinion is that a pilot can be successfull in any AH plane he choses to fly (with only few notable exceptions). He just has to learn the plane but also himself.
Some planes are easier than others, some are real challenge to do well in. It is up to you.
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... I dont know what i'm doing posting into that kind of nonsense thread, anyway, having a bit of experience with G10, A5 and P51, my conclusions are:
1 - P51 is the best overal fighter unless in a closed 1 vs 1 engangement.
2 - G10 3x20 is a very capable plane, close to the P51.
3 - A5 is a dogfighter, with very limited capability against buffs. So, with little value as a platform capable of interfering into well mounted offensives.
In a 1 vs 1 engangement, my experience sais that G10 3x20 can eat any P51 (if P51 doesnt decide to flee away for 50 miles) or A5, and that a well driven P51 with some alt to play with can win any dogfight with an A5. Anyway, A5 is a very dangerous opponent at close quarters.
A side note: I'm up to the balls of my "destierro" at Rio, haven't been able to fly in the last three weeks, so, I dont remember very well what an A5 is ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by MANDOBLE (edited 09-02-2000).]
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RAM;
Does mean you are still not having fun in AH or as some of the fun re-appeared?
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"hehehe...I like this thread squealing Bastids!"
SOB
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Originally posted by Minotaur:
RAM;
Does mean you are still not having fun in AH or as some of the fun re-appeared?
Think in the kind of boredom I must have to experience to change planes and fly a P51D.
If that answers your question...
To be true last 2 days have been much better. To have people that want to wing and learn with you is much more fun than to ride alone. So well, now it is much better than before thanks of the time I am spending in Erg/Jg26 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Just spent a few hours toolin around in a pony.
Damn nice airplane.
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Hang