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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Furious on June 05, 2002, 11:13:40 AM
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disclaimer: I don't care what you fly.
Just a thought on this spit horde thing.
It seems that folks are using the number of kills by a plane as a reference to its volume of use. This, I think, is incorrect. It is an indicator of its successful use.
Spits kill other spits, just as C-hogs killed other C-hogs.
It is my impression that about 1/3 of all enemy I see are of the spit variety. But this is just an impression. Would be interesting to see "sortie" stats for each plane, as this would be a better indication of use.
...but like I said, I don't care what you fly. This is not a spit whine. I enjoy killing them. The more the merrier.
F.
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I don't know furious....
Spits usually can't escape fights. Its why alot of people see them... they simply can't get away. The same is not true of P-51s, La-7s, 190D, 109G-10 and a few others.
If a plane excells in furballs... its less likely to RTB simply because disengaging from a furball is not the easiest thing in the world to do. If a plane has the speed to hang up high and stay faster than the other lower planes... it is much more survivable.
When a plane can engage and disengage at will... you will not see it as often. When one cannot... you will.
I think you'd find that the slower planes are less likely to RTB. The faster planes have a better look at the RTB option.
AKDejaVu
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It's my impression that 100% of the red icons I see turn out to be enemy aircraft. I think we should perk the red icons and perk 'em pretty high too.
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Originally posted by Toad
It's my impression that 100% of the red icons I see turn out to be enemy aircraft. I think we should perk the red icons and perk 'em pretty high too.
Then what will you shoot if no one pays for that perk? ;)
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Toad,
Clever post, but pointless.
I don't care what you fly. Not trying to belittle or berate anyone for their choice. We all are frikking dweebs for caring about a computer game so much.
I am simply pointing out that because xxxx plane has 10-12% of total kills does not mean that the arena is composed of only 10-12% of that plane.
The % of total kills has been used to "prove" that a plane is not used as much is percieved. I'm just saying that line of reasoning is incorrect.
My post is really an advocation for a "sorties flown" stat, more than anything. Don't really want that information to use against anyones choice, just think it would be interesting to see.
F.
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This confirms it: Toad is a closet hippie pinko!
;)
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Originally posted by Furious
Clever post, but pointless.
Thank you. I agree. On both points.
Originally posted by Furious
I don't care what you fly. Not trying to belittle or berate anyone for their choice. We all are frikking dweebs for caring about a computer game so much.
I agree and concur, on all three ideas.
Originally posted by Furious
I am simply pointing out that because xxxx plane has 10-12% of total kills does not mean that the arena is composed of only 10-12% of that plane.
Once again, you are totally correct and I agree. It's a point often ignored by the Sixth Sense "I see Spitfires!" crowd.
Originally posted by Furious
The % of total kills has been used to "prove" that a plane is not used as much is percieved. I'm just saying that line of reasoning is incorrect.
Suprise. I agree again.
Originally posted by Furious
My post is really an advocation for a "sorties flown" stat, more than anything. Don't really want that information to use against anyones choice, just think it would be interesting to see.
Yep, me too. I think it would suprise a lot of the Sixth Sense guys.
So, you see, your intial assessment was totally correct. Pointless post; merely an attempt to lighten the mood on the BBS.
BTW, I forgot to mention that when I'm up fighting, I see WAY TOO MANY of those red icons?
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Toad,
Ok.
I thought you might have been misinterpreting the intention of my post and lumping me in with some "other" folks. :)
F.
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In addition to sorties flown, I'd also like to see total hours flown or average sortie length.
My personal experience is that I fly more (quicker) sorties in a Hurri IIC (base defense) than in a Yak-9U (Mindinao fun) than in a 190A-5 (my favorite plane) than in a P51-B (dance with the angels)
As such, I think my kills (and deaths) per period of time flown will be higher for furballers than for e-fighters. Being able to note that while the Hurri IIC gets say, 1 kill per 1.4 minutes is tempered by fact the average lifetime of a Hurri IIC is 3.6 minutes might help diffuse the resultant PERK THE HURRI threads. (Yes, of course I know it won't, but I can dream.)
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As long as you remember sorties isn't a true accurate count on its own. There have been several times in a tour where I'd spawn on the run way and despawn or land immediately for whatever reason. Spawn and see a vulcher coming in... despawn! Spawn and see a squaddie say "need help at aXX" where aXX ain't near me, so I despawn. Or see I was dumb and forgot that the last time I took off I only had 25% fuel. etc.
However, I agree it's still a better stat that pure kills to determine usage, as I maybe despawn 2-3% of my sorties at most.
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oops wrong thread.
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I might be wrong, but I don't think AH counts it as a sortie unless you actually lift off the ground.
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Maybe it shouldn't count as a sortie until you are gear and flaps up and at or near maneuvering speed for at least one minute. That would at least eliminate the "he never had a chance" vultches. :)
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AH starts a sortie when you click fly.
It doesn't count multiple sorties after you click fly and use the rearm/refuel pad though... which I believe to be incorrect.
-SW