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Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: SlapShot on June 05, 2002, 02:58:10 PM

Cougar owners and future Cougar owners ...

Players, such as Revvin, who were amongst the first to receive their Cougars, have already posted links to their profiles, but they are scattered in various post.

I just thought that we could start a thread that would be used just to point to profiles that we have developed.

Pre-existing profiles are a godsend to developing your own, especially if this is your first programmable stick.

I used Revvin's profile (thank you very much) to develop my own.

You can find my Aces High profile here. (http://pages.cthome.net/crzn22/Misc/Aces_High_SlapShot.zip)

Title: Re: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Revvin on June 05, 2002, 07:30:22 PM

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Cougar owners and future Cougar owners ...


I used Revvin's profile (thank you very much) to develop my own.

You can find my Aces High profile here. (http://pages.cthome.net/crzn22/Misc/Aces_High_SlapShot.zip)

No problem :) glad you could make use of mine. It's one of the good points about the software that you can take the macro file which contains all the game commands and then map them to your own joystick file. Config's are very personal things, mine suits me just fine but others might find it totally alien to them.

You can find my Aces High Cougar profile here (http://www.no9squadron.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=4) along with profiles for the MS FF2 stick, CH FX/Pro Throttle and Saitek X36 USB (also a profile for Game Commander there too)

Title: Here's mine 8^)
Post by: airspro on June 05, 2002, 08:06:38 PM

I wanted a very very simple profile . It has just two basic changes .

This profile will let you use Hat 2 as pov in AH , and then all the other hats , and buttons will be directx inputs .

Just make sure you have the "Button & Axis emulation is ON" in the HCCP , also you paste this file into the foxy > files folder . Tells how to download it into stick on page 28 and 29 in manual .

I got pretty good sized hands but it seemed to me that HAT2 was easier to use as a pov , than HAT1 . I then set HAT1 to HAT2's directx buttons .

I really like this software , learning it is going to be fun , I think

:)

Title: dang forgot the file
Post by: airspro on June 05, 2002, 08:08:13 PM

here it is

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Karnak on June 07, 2002, 02:39:37 AM

Here is my current file.  It works pretty well, but I still need to get the microstick to work as elevator and aileron trim.

The view system is SOB's, and he did an exceptional job on it.  It is so much easier having all of your views on one hat.   SOB, and thanks.

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Wanker on June 07, 2002, 02:39:47 PM

Karnak, that's an interesting view system. I think mine accomplishes the same thing, but I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how mine differs from yours.

All I did was to assign hat 3 to be the POV hat, then in AH I set the 8 standard "level" views on the POV hat. In FOXY, I assigned S3 to "Look Up". So now, I can look all around with the POV hat, then if I need to look up in any direction, I just press the S3 button while holding the POV hat.

it works great for views, but I think I'm missing out on the /I /O ability because I limited my S3 button, correct?

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: 214thCavalier on June 07, 2002, 03:38:05 PM

You may want to check this one started with Revvins and changed views to have normal plus up and down switchable, without as in the original losing the held view, IE right reverted to front when you select up and you then had to reselect the right view again doubling up on key presses.
Also moved stuff around so trim is on throttle meaning i can trim while still using views at same time, trying to use 1 hand to fly and view and trim at same time was hard work :)
Tried to keep the important functions ie ord select, flaps etc to easy to reach hats and less important like autopilot modes to the more difficult to reach hats / switches.
Oh and the S3 button is not tied up it still acts as a shift button, S3 gives up views and S4 down views.
Also a work still in progress.

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: SlapShot on June 11, 2002, 02:28:57 PM

There has to be more Cougar owners and profiles than what has been posted ...

Flossy / Zeb ... I know you have the Cougar .. want to share ?

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Flossy on June 11, 2002, 02:46:39 PM

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Flossy / Zeb ... I know you have the Cougar .. want to share ?

We still keep tweaking ours, but here is what we have so far:

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: SlapShot on June 11, 2002, 03:20:06 PM

Thanks Flossy ... There is  definately is a "tweaking period" ... mine has changed within the last week too and will have to update the FTP site soon.

EDIT: Sorry for the double post/request Flossy ... :D

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Flossy on June 11, 2002, 04:45:09 PM

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Thanks Flossy ... There is  definately is a "tweaking period" ... mine has changed within the last week too and will have to update the FTP site soon.

LOL, yeah lost count how many times Zeb has modified ours.... just get used to one and he changes it again!  :D

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EDIT: Sorry for the double post/request Flossy ... :D  [/B]

Hehe, NP.  Zeb is hoping to write a bit of an explanation at some point, but has been waiting until the profile is finalised...  ;)

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Reschke on June 14, 2002, 01:40:43 PM

Gee I would post my profile here but it is an amalgamation of all the profiles listed here like Revvins, Karnak's, banana's and SOB's. So I am still tweaking and working on it and it is god awful ugly but hey it works...well at least it does 50% of the time. :D

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: FOGOLD on June 16, 2002, 01:15:18 PM

Hi

I just got a Cougar. Do these dowloadable profiles overwrite the settings within AH? Seems to me you can set the stick up pretty well within AH?

I had hoped to set the two rotary buttons as trim, but can't figure out how.

Also How do you enable the microstick as mouse (I know. Go to Frugals Cougar World:p )

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Flossy on June 17, 2002, 03:15:40 PM

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Originally posted by Flossy
Hehe, NP.  Zeb is hoping to write a bit of an explanation at some point, but has been waiting until the profile is finalised...  ;)

OK, Zeb and I put together an explanation and graphic, also tidied up the .tmj a bit, over the weekend.  As it is now too big to post as an attachment, it can be found at:  http://www.zeb.clara.net/AHZeb.zip  :)

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Zeb on June 17, 2002, 04:04:19 PM

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Originally posted by FOGOLD
Hi

I just got a Cougar. Do these dowloadable profiles overwrite the settings within AH? Seems to me you can set the stick up pretty well within AH?

I had hoped to set the two rotary buttons as trim, but can't figure out how.

Also How do you enable the microstick as mouse (I know. Go to
Frugals Cougar World:p )

Nothing is overwritten in AH. Simply unzip the files into your FOXY/FILES directory.  The profile I have used relies on the AH stick settings to be flat (all sliders to the top).  I use the CURVE command in the Cougar profile to make different stick sensitivities around the middle of the axis for different modes. Dogfight, Normal and Land/Takoff.

Setting rotary buttons as trim is not too difficult.  Similar to the map zoom method I used in my profile.  Have a look at how I have done trims.  I use S4.  When S4 is held moving the stick or rudder pedals locks the analogue axis positions and ajusts trims.  Returns to normal on release of S4.  Whilst S4 is held it also alows HAT1 to go itno F8 PAN mode.

The microstick is set to mouse with

USE MICROSTICK AS MOUSE (11,3,1)

However, if you want to change the X for the Y axis and reverse the direction (seems to seel a lot more natural) you would use

USE MIX AS MOUSEY (11, 3, 1) - REVERSE_DIR
USE MIY AS MOUSEX (11, 3, 1) - REVERSE_DIR

However there is a bug in the software and it doesn't work.
If asked if it would be fixed in the software update I would have to reply "No Comment" ;-)

The way to do it for now is as follows.

[color=0080C0]MIX [/color]2 11 [color=008000]MSY([/color]10[color=008000]) MSY([/color]7[color=008000]) MSY([/color]4[color=008000]) MSY([/color]2[color=008000]) MSY([/color]1[color=008000]) MSY([/color]0[color=008000]) MSY([/color]-1[color=008000]) MSY([/color]-2[color=008000]) MSY([/color]-4[color=008000]) MSY([/color]-7[color=008000]) MSY([/color]-10[color=008000]) [/color]

[color=0080C0]MIY [/color]2 11 [color=008000]MSX([/color]10[color=008000]) MSX([/color]7[color=008000]) MSX([/color]4[color=008000]) MSX([/color]2[color=008000]) MSX([/color]1[color=008000]) MSX([/color]0[color=008000]) MSX([/color]-1[color=008000]) MSX([/color]-2[color=008000]) MSX([/color]-4[color=008000]) MSX([/color]-7[color=008000]) MSX([/color]-10[color=008000]) [/color]

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: 214thCavalier on June 17, 2002, 05:57:25 PM

Zeb are they aware that the Cougar axis curves are forcing a dead zone whether you set it to zero in the CCP or not ?

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Zeb on June 17, 2002, 06:11:58 PM

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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Zeb are they aware that the Cougar axis curves are forcing a dead zone whether you set it to zero in the CCP or not ?

I have not noticed that myself.  Can you give me more details and an example I can try.

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: 214thCavalier on June 17, 2002, 06:19:27 PM

Yea if you have not already seen this thread, http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55453

Try the Ostwind test i describe with your setup of choice then mine, everybody who has tried it so far agrees it works much better and smoother for control around the breakpoint with Curves and dead zones at zero in CCP and using the AH option to control joystick response.

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Zeb on June 17, 2002, 06:44:44 PM

Probably a better test would be to look at the values produced by the joystick analyser built into Foxy.  I am getting strange results around the daed centre of the axis, but I am not sure if it's the deadband setting or play in the stick.  I will try a few more tests.

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Zeb on June 17, 2002, 06:49:06 PM

In fact checking in the joystick analyser with deadband set at zero for the X and Y axis and a curve setting ov around -5 I get changes of readings as soon as the stick moves away from centre.  This suggests no deadband.

Can you try the same experiment.

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: ScreamingEgle on June 18, 2002, 01:14:20 AM

SlapShot-I D/L your profile but stange-the throttle works in reverse:confused:
Also why does a left bracket repeats in the radio buffer at
times:eek:
I like your application of views, wouldn't be nice if one
could move Hat button #1 to Hat button#3:)
What I mean is the actual physical button:eek:
Any new profile for guys like me to D/L, been in this
game since AW & Confirmed Kill.
Have a great day:)
Ed

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Flossy on June 18, 2002, 02:12:11 AM

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Originally posted by ScreamingEgle
wouldn't be nice if one
could move Hat button #1 to Hat button#3:)
What I mean is the actual physical button:eek:

You can, and some people have done just that.  I think I have seen details in this forum somewhere...

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: ScreamingEgle on June 18, 2002, 11:40:59 AM

SlapShot, I replaced your throttle with a new command:
THR 5 1 (97 100) (/P WEP /R WEP)
It is working fine, wep & all.
You still have a good profile.
Thanks Ed

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Sabre on June 18, 2002, 04:09:32 PM

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Originally posted by ScreamingEgle
SlapShot, I replaced your throttle with a new command:
THR 5 1 (97 100) (/P WEP /R WEP)
It is working fine, wep & all.
You still have a good profile.
Thanks Ed

Scream, does this throttle set up make it so that WEP engages when you push the throttle past the second detent?  Also, how did you decide the "97 100" values?  Thanks.

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: ScreamingEgle on June 18, 2002, 07:36:49 PM

SABRE, I picked that command from another profile, & I
can't remember where, but it works well.
Ed

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: FOGOLD on June 19, 2002, 02:03:31 AM

Me again Zeb. Sorry about this, it's something to do with being Scottish!:D

What I mean by "overwrite" is, if you map a button or a stick slider in AH, does the Cougar profile over-rule the AH setting or does the AH setting take precedence?

Can you eg map your sensitivities in AH and have SOME buttons mapped in Cougar and some not. IE most buttons mapped in AH but rotaries mapped to trim via Cougar?
Or must you have EITHER AH mapping OR Cougar mapping?

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Zeb on June 19, 2002, 06:15:09 AM

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Originally posted by FOGOLD
Me again Zeb. Sorry about this, it's something to do with being Scottish!:D

What I mean by "overwrite" is, if you map a button or a stick slider in AH, does the Cougar profile over-rule the AH setting or does the AH setting take precedence?

Can you eg map your sensitivities in AH and have SOME buttons mapped in Cougar and some not. IE most buttons mapped in AH but rotaries mapped to trim via Cougar?
Or must you have EITHER AH mapping OR Cougar mapping?

I will try and explain a bit better :).

The Cougar can emulate any any of the eight available stick axis that are available, plus a couple more. But thats another story.
Those 8 analogue axis can be assigned to any rotary or stick or even button on the Cougar.  How you allocate those axis in AH is up to you.  Same goes with the buttons.  If I make one of the buttons go to bombsight then open doors and select a default zoom view.  Then that is 4 separate key presses F8, O, Z and somthing else I seem to recall.  Now if you have mapped those functions to some other keys in AH then it wont work the same.  You would either have to map them the same as mine or change the Cougar temp[late to match.

Make any more sense?

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: 214thCavalier on June 19, 2002, 02:31:33 PM

Zeb i tried the Joystick analyser and you are correct it does register all movement.
But the CCP curves option still sucks when used with AH for fine control at the breakpoint, it definitely gives you an unwanted dead zone.
However i will agree its not necesarily a CCP problem and could just be how it interacts with AH's joystick controls.

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Zeb on June 19, 2002, 03:45:09 PM

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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Zeb i tried the Joystick analyser and you are correct it does register all movement.
But the CCP curves option still sucks when used with AH for fine control at the breakpoint, it definitely gives you an unwanted dead zone.
However i will agree its not necesarily a CCP problem and could just be how it interacts with AH's joystick controls.

I presume this is because the curve control in AH is done with separate sliders along the length of the axis.  I don't think this technique would be easy to duplicate in the Cougar.  It would be in the CCP I think but not in the programming side where it matters.  If you are not doing any axis curve mods on the fly then you may as well stick to AH's stick settings.

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Revvin on June 26, 2002, 03:49:29 PM

Updated my profile to add the new bomber commands, you can get it at the link I posted above

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: GunnerCAF on June 26, 2002, 10:01:06 PM

Here is my profile, you can download it here. (http://webpages.charter.net/davegun/Cougar.htm)

My web page has a copy of the graphic layout so you can view it before you decide to download.  The download has the graphic and Read Me file.  The Read Me file explains AH settings needed, and how it everything works.

There is lots of stuff in here.  I have included lots of Rem statements if anyone wants just parts or to make changes.  A few of the features are:

- Cursor Hide - Put the cursor in the lower corner out of sight whenever you press the S3 button

- Auto Film Shut-Off with indicator -  Ends the film when you start/stop the engines and flashes the text window size to remind you the film is ending.

- Vox tuner and Radio changer - One Mic button, One Text buffer button to remember.  Your keyboard LEDs will flash when changing radios to indicate VOX and radio you are set to.

Gunner

Title: Cougar Profiles for Aces High
Post by: Shiva on July 09, 2002, 02:23:11 PM

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There has to be more Cougar owners and profiles than what has been posted ...

I'm still working on mine, Slapshot. I made some notes yesterday I haven't folded into the stick program yet; with the new bombsight calibration mechanism, I need to shuffle some things around for convenience.