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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: empire2 on June 05, 2002, 06:41:13 PM
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heres a couple shots of the meteor...i think its cool...thats why i want it on ah(http://www.iaf.org.il/english/images/about/gallery/visuals/large/meteor/pic10.jpg) (http://www.iaf.org.il/english/images/about/gallery/visuals/large/meteor/pic08.jpg) This ones of me takin a shot of my wingman(http://www.iaf.org.il/english/images/about/gallery/visuals/large/meteor/pic01.jpg)
MK 8...(http://www.yellowairplane.com/Book_Reviews/Bernard_Peterson/Short_Straw_Gloster_Meteor.jpg) (http://users.chariot.net.au/~theburfs/images/Meteor_CP.JPG) Thats my cocpit
Specs:
TYPE: Single-seat fighter and ground attack aircraft
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: United Kingdom
ENGINES: Two Rolls-Royce Derwent 8 turbojets of 3,600 lb. thrust.
DIMENSIONS:
SPAN: 37 ft 2 in / 11.33 m.
LENGTH: 44 ft 7 in / 13.59 m.
HEIGHT: 13 ft 0 in / 3.96 m.
PERFORMANCE:
MAX. SPEED; 519 kts / 962 kph
INITIAL CLIMB: 7,000 ft / 2,134 m. per min.
MAX. RANGE(internal fuel): 666 nm / 1,234 km.
SERVICE CEILING: 44,000 ft / 13,411 m.
ARMAMENT: 4x 20mm cannon; 2x 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs or 8x 60 lb. / 27 kg. rockets under wings.
WEIGHTS:
EMPTY WEIGHT: 10,700 lb / 4,853 kg
MAX. LOADED: 19,100 lb / 8,664 kg
NORMAL LOADED: 17,350 lb / 7,870 kg.
CREW: 1 (The RAAF also operated some 2-seat variants)
RAAF SERVICE: 1946-47 and 1951-63
with 75 and 77 Sqns., and Citizen Air Force 22 (City of Sydney) Sqn. and 23 (City of Brisbane) Sqn., 38 Sqn., and Weapons Research Establishment (WRE).
The Meteor was the first jet fighter officially taken on by the RAAF, one F.3 being operated from 1946 until February 1947, when it was scrapped after a heavy landing at Darwin. Meteors entered squadron service in 1951 - by which time Vampire jets were also operating with the RAAF.
The first of these Meteors were sent directly to Korea to replace 77 Sqn. Mustangs. As well as its 93 Meteor F.8's, the RAAF operated nine T.7's, and a single NF.11 for missile tests at Weapons Research Establishment (WRE) in the early 1950's.
heres some camera shots:
(http://wio.boom.ru/korea/f86pepel.jpg) (http://wio.boom.ru/korea/f84.jpg) (http://wio.boom.ru/korea/f80.jpg) (http://wio.boom.ru/korea/b29suchk.jpg)
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Engine:Mk.I Two Rolls-Royce Wellend turbojets;Derwents were installed in their later versions
Wing Span:13.11m(43 ft)
Length: 12.57m (41 ft 3 in)
Height: 3.96m ( 13 ft)
Weight: Gross 5,332 kg (11,755 ilbs)
Maximum Speed: 676 km/h (420 mph) at 9,145 m (30,000 ft)
Endurance: 1 hour 15 mins
Accommodation:Pilot 1 Crew 0
Armament: Mk.I:Four Hispano cannons in nose
History:
The first official flight of the meteor was on March 5th 1943. The meteor was designed to Air Ministry Specification F.9/40, the first official British requirment to be issued for a single-seat interceptor powered by a gas-turbine enine. After completing 8 prototypes Gloster built 20 examples of the Mk.I 16 of which were delivered to the RAF. Their first operational success came on august 1944, when Meteors from No. 616 squadron destroyed two V-1 flying bombs over southern england. These were the first of many V-1s to be brought down by the new fighters.
The major wartime version was the Meteor Mk.III ( 280 built) which employed the Rolls-Royce Derwent engine giving a higher maximum speed of 793km/h (493 mph) at 9,145 m (30,000 ft).
Other versions including the Mk.II (with D.H Goblin engines) and the Mk.IV (with two Rolls Royce Derwent 5 engines.
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This would be a great addition in the perk plane category. Accomplished more than some notable aircraft already in the game. :)
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Wanna see He162 Salamander "Volksjäger" first at game , then we can reconsider Meteor...
Heinkel He 162 Salamander (http://www.kotfsc.com/aircraft/he-162.htm)
Type: Single Seat Interceptor
Design: Ernst Heinkel Design Team.
Manufacturer: Ernst Heinkel AG. First batch Vienna-Schwechat. Production totally dispersed with underground assembly at Nordhausen (Mittelwerke), Bernberg (Junkers) and Rostock (Heinkel).
Powerplant: One 1,764 hp (800 kw) thrust BMW 003A-1 or E-2 Orkan single shaft turbojet engine.
Performance: Maximum speed 522 mph (840 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); service ceiling 39,500 ft (12040 m). Endurance 57 minutes at 35,990 (10970m). Climb rate 3,780 ft/min (19.2m /sec) at sea level - 1,950 ft/min (9.9m /sec) at 19,690 ft (6000 m) - 315 ft/min (1.6m /sec) at 36,090 ft (11000 m).
Range: 410 miles (660 km) at 35,990 ft (10970 m).
Weight: Empty 4,520 lbs (2050 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 5,941 lbs (2695 kg).
Dimensions: Span 23 ft 7 1/2 in (7.20 m); length 29 ft 8 1/4 in (9.05 m); height 8 ft 7 1/2 in (2.55 m); wing area 120.56 sq ft (11.20 sq m).
Armament: (Early) Two 30 mm Rheinmetall MK 108 cannon with 50 rounds per gun. (Late) Two 20 mm Mauser MG 151/20 cannons with 120 rounds per gun.
Variants: He 162A-0 (pre-production), He 162A-1, He 162A-2.
Avionics: FuG 24 R/T (radio) FuG 25a IFF.
History: First flight 6 December 1944; first delivery January 1945.
More info:
elevon/baugher (http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/he162_mm.html)
The Jet Genesis - He162 (http://www.soton.ac.uk/~genesis/Level2/Planes/Germany/He162.htm)
Gareth Hector's Luft '46 images (http://www.luft46.com/ghart/lufartgh.html)
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Meteor would be great addition if HTC releases most of Japanese planes. :D
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"Wanna see He162 Salamander "Volksjäger" first at game , then we can reconsider Meteor..."
Bah. There's already the ME-262. Right now IMO the Meteor would be a wonderful and appropriate addition to AH. Later I'd also like to see the He162 included too.
Westy
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no Meteor for me thanks.. they make craters when they land :D
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Meteor didnt even fight in WW2.... I think it would kinda unbalance every thing.
We really need Gloster Gladiator, CR42, Hs-123 and I-153 to out turn the new A6m2 and out run the D3A1 we are getting :)
Gloster Gladiator:
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"Meteor didnt even fight in WW2.... I think it would kinda unbalance every thing. "
For starters why don't you look into something even a leeeeetle before posting so you actually know a bit of what you're talking about. Also, for once why not add something to a topic besides adding the same old obsolete-even-in-1936 biplanes begging. It's literally the same thing as hearing someone incessantly whine for Spifires, 109's and Zero's in a Korean airwar sim.
As for the bipes? Hell yeah we need them. If HTC were to model them soley for the few days of the war in which some folks had to fly them. But beyond that they'd be good to light on fire to help get the Meteors jets running.
Westy
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For the umpteenth time, Meteors I and III chased V-1s over the UK, and Meteors III fought with two squadrons in the 2nd TAF based on the Continent.
It wouldn't unbalance anything. In fact it would balance things by giving the Me 262 a good match.
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Originally posted by K West
"Meteor didnt even fight in WW2.... I think it would kinda unbalance every thing. "
For starters why don't you look into something even a leeeeetle before posting so you actually know a bit of what you're talking about. Also, for once why not add something to a topic besides adding the same old obsolete-even-in-1936 biplanes begging. It's literally the same thing as hearing someone incessantly whine for Spifires, 109's and Zero's in a Korean airwar sim.
As for the bipes? Hell yeah we need them. If HTC were to model them soley for the few days of the war in which some folks had to fly them. But beyond that they'd be good to light on fire to help get the Meteors jets running.
Westy
They entered service in 1944/45...
I had read somewhere earlier made it sound like they entered service in 1946...
But as for biplanes, they played a very important role in WW2 and you cant have any early war scenarios with out em!, If we get Meteor and ME262 that hardly served a year or 2 in WW2 we should at least get a few biplanes which served through out the war.
Biplanes were not that obsolite, if they were used through the whole war!
I'd take up any late war 109, 190 or even ME262 in a CR42, Gloster Gladiator MKIII or I-153.
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The meteor MkIII flew ground attack sorties in the 2TAF- that counts as combat so lets get it modelled.:D
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ROE stopped the Meteors getting to grips with the Me-262...
...oh, and the cowardly hun not being sporting enough to fly into Meteor territory.:p
Bring the Meteor III to AH! :D
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Im glad MOST you are with me on this
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Sounds like a good idea to me.
Out of curiosity how does the Meteor compare with the 262?
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Some more i would like is the b29,b-24,b-25,salamander,shooting star,peashooter,supercorsair,ju-87(stuka),and most of all damnit the v-1 hahahaha
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Death to ALL ABOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Empire2
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(The Smart tulips Of America)
The SAA;)
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LETS JUST SAY-Meteors thrust=3,600 ilbs of it
4 hispanos
Mk.III Engine=Rolls-Royce Derwent engine giving a higher maximum speed of 793km/h (493 mph) at 9,145 m (30,000 ft).
HAHAHAHA u do the math
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"Out of curiosity how does the Meteor compare with the 262?"
ME-262 is superior imo. Much like the P-51B/D is against a 190A8 at 25K.
Westy
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The Me262 would have the advantage, but the Meteor Mk III would be more of a threat to it than any other Allied aircraft. The Meteor Mk I would be rather useless. The Me262 woula have much more to fear from a Spitfire Mk XIV or P-51D than from a Meteor Mk I.
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Hi Pei,
>Out of curiosity how does the Meteor compare with the 262?
It would be an interesting match! The Me 262 is much faster than the Meteor, but in climb they might be quite close to each other.
The Me 262 will have an additional edge in high speed combat capability as the Meteor had some directional stability problems at high Mach numbers.
However, the Me 262 lacks the Meteor's air brakes, and I guess the engines of the Meteor weren't as touchy when it came to throttle changes as the Me 262's Jumos. Accordingly, the advantage in "transitional performance" probably goes to the Meteor.
In the low speed regime, I'd expect the Meteor's more taditional wing to enable it to outturn the swept-wing Me 262. (In fact, later Meteor variants regularly outturned the swept-wing Sabres in mock fights.)
Another advantage held by the Meteor is it's longer endurance, which can be translated into superior "combat persistance" :-)
The Me 262 probably has superior offensive capabilities, but I wouldn't underestimate the Meteor either.
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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Although I do love the He162 Salamander, I believe that AH has to have the Meteor at some stage! It's the perfect match vs the Me262! :)
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/gallery/meteor3800.jpg)
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/gallery/meteor3s800.jpg)
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He 162 will be fun too. Has a super high wingloading but good thrust:weight ratio. But with AH MA fuel multiplier it will have barely enough fuel to takeoff and land.
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Another fun one would be the me-163 Komet:rolleyes:
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does it take 100 posts to become a senior member?
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LOL just wondering:D
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im gonna post till im a senior member;)
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its just something i have to do
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19 more hahahahaha
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Im a senior member!!!!!!!!!!!!hahahahahaha yay!!!!!!!!
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LOL! empire2, I was wonderin how the thread raised by 20 posts so quickly :D
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Who got high quality 3 view drawings and cutaways from Meteor ?:confused:?
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well dr. i have one here ill pick it out fer ya
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(http://www.soton.ac.uk/~genesis/Pictures/Britain/Meteor_3.gif)
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theres no top view but heh whatever a good site is right here->
theres a bunch of planes there from britian:cool:The Pictures;) (http://www.soton.ac.uk/~genesis/Pictures/Britain/)
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heres a top view(http://www.soton.ac.uk/~genesis/Pictures/Britain/Meteor_2.gif)
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Thank u very much empire2 :)
(http://www.britney-pictures.com/images/laola.gif)
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You welcome
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Originally posted by K West
"Out of curiosity how does the Meteor compare with the 262?"
ME-262 is superior imo. Much like the P-51B/D is against a 190A8 at 25K.
Westy
slighty O/T, but 77 Sqn RAAF Meteor Mk8's suffered at the hands of Chinese Mig-15's. The Meteors were withdrawn to ground attack missions, in areas where UN air superiority was high, and plans to re-equip with Australian built F-86's quickly drawn up.
Tronsky
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The MiG-15 would be far, far superior to the Me262.
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Originally posted by Karnak
The MiG-15 would be far, far superior to the Me262.
Very true K, which is why I didn't postulate that the results between the Migs and Meteors in Korea, would mirror what would happen between Meteors and 262's.....althought I did consider it :)
From what I have read, I get the consensus that the 262 would be superior than the Meteor, the Meteor being the less manoeuvrable example.
Tronsky
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The Meteor would be a wonderful addition to AH, and a serious threat to the 262.
Its not as fast, nor does it accelerate as fast, but it would still be the second fastest plane of AH. Its got good armament, rocket ability, good range and good handling.
I have seen Meteros on an airshow doing lovely low-speed low-alt aerobatics, and still running on the original engine!!!!
(Centrifugal turbojet gives a really distinctive and funny sound)
It would catch Arados, outrun Mustangs, and still not having to B&Z, for it would be able to dogfight some fighters. In a close quarters fight I would put my money on the Meteor vs. the 262 as soon as they are under like 400 mph.
Yeahh...bring it!!!!
p.s. Regarding the eternal Biplane begging....
I see no use of Biplanes untill we have the slowest monoplanes (Japanese and early European), and then ONLY if we got like 3 or 4 of them in a batch to be able to create a historical setup in the CT. The first one to feature would IMOP be the Swordfish.
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Angus:
Do you have sound clips or links to of those engines?
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No, I don't have any sound files from the meteor unfortunately:(
It's a really special sound, its a "whoosh" like a jet, but with a special "buzzy" undertone, utterly cool.
I'll see if I can find it anywhere.
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Thanks Angus
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http://www.gasturbine.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/derwent.htm
has a sound file of a Derwent, and an mpeg of one being run on a test stand.
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Originally posted by Angus
p.s. Regarding the eternal Biplane begging....
I see no use of Biplanes untill we have the slowest monoplanes (Japanese and early European), and then ONLY if we got like 3 or 4 of them in a batch to be able to create a historical setup in the CT. The first one to feature would IMOP be the Swordfish.
Thats just what they are doing, we already are getting the val & SBD-5 (10 mph slower than the Gloster Gladiator, 35 mph slower than the CR42), The A6m2, only about 20 mph faster than CR42.
I have a feeling after early war pac planes are added HTC will add some more early - mid war European Theater planes, Like Stuka, Gloster Gladiator, Hs-123, CR42, I-153 & maybe the swordfish.
That would be enough for a good early-mid war set up I think...
I think biplanes would also be able to hold their ground in MA,
they may not be able to catch most planes, but they could out turn, out roll, and generally outmanuver any other plane.
Many times you have shot down people dogfighting in Il-2 and TBM I am sure, (or at least I have) those rarely go over 260 mph, even in a dive, imagine fighting in 1 of those only in a biplane you'd be able to easily outmanuver any opponent.
And for meteor, I was under the impression it was a 1946 plane from reading another post, as long as it saw action during WW2 we can have it I guess, but I think the early war planeset needs allot more work before HTC adds to many latewar planes.
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So why couldnt we have the meteor
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Cajun,
CR.42 had a top speed of 267mph. The A6M2 had a top speed of 316mph. That is a difference of 49mph, not 20mph. The A6M2 also is armed with 20mm cannon and climbs vastly faster. The A6M2 would eat the CR.42 for lunch, just as Hurricane Mk Is and Spitfire Mk Is did in the BoB.
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Not to mention the monoplanes superb performance when it comes to dive, acceleration and zoom. :D
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Originally posted by Karnak
Cajun,
CR.42 had a top speed of 267mph. The A6M2 had a top speed of 316mph. That is a difference of 49mph, not 20mph. The A6M2 also is armed with 20mm cannon and climbs vastly faster. The A6M2 would eat the CR.42 for lunch, just as Hurricane Mk Is and Spitfire Mk Is did in the BoB.
1: I found a web site that lists CR.42's top speed as 280MPH.
2: The a6m2 may be able to go faster, but the CR42 can out turn and roll it easily, just kill it like you kill any other plane in an A6m.
3: Most CR42s were armed with 2x50 cals, but I have heard of some being armed with 2x20 mms like the Hs-123 german biplane dive bomber.
You can BnZ a biplane all you want, but they are very easy to avoid even in unmanuverable planes, now imagine a plane that can roll like a 190 and easily out turn a A6m2. All you have to do is put down flaps do a lil evasive manuvor and pull the trigger when the enemy zooms in front of you. I've done this trick and many others countless times in planes such as the Il-2, TBM, A6m-5 against much faster planes, even the Me262. And it works great :)
Tell ya what how bout we convince HTC to add a biplane and then we will find out who's right :D?
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They will also be much more usefull with the addition of all of these early war planes, Such as the Val & SBD-5 wich CR42, I-153 and Gloster Gladiator can all out run (Gloster Gladiator having the same top speed of the SBD but faster than the val).
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Empire - are those pictures posted taken by you? Are you a former Meteor pilot? Curious.
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cajun,
Finding a website that says the CR.42 goes 280mph (still 36mph slower than the A6M2, not 20mph slower) does not make it so. Every source I have found lists either 267mph or 268mph as the CR.42's top speed.
I highly doubt that the CR.42 would out roll the A6M2, two wings are not condusive to a good roll rate. It will out turn the A6M2, just as it would out turn the Hurri Mk I and Spit Mk Ia. It still got slaughtered by the Hurris and Spits.
Speed and climb are far more important to a WWII fighter than being able to make really tight turns, as the Japanese painfully discovered.
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Originally posted by Karnak
cajun,
Finding a website that says the CR.42 goes 280mph (still 36mph slower than the A6M2, not 20mph slower) does not make it so. Every source I have found lists either 267mph or 268mph as the CR.42's top speed.
I highly doubt that the CR.42 would out roll the A6M2, two wings are not condusive to a good roll rate. It will out turn the A6M2, just as it would out turn the Hurri Mk I and Spit Mk Ia. It still got slaughtered by the Hurris and Spits.
Speed and climb are far more important to a WWII fighter than being able to make really tight turns, as the Japanese painfully discovered.
I see your point on the roll of it, I think it would out roll an a6m2 atleast though, I was thinking more in terms of the Gloster Gladiator in roll since it had 4 ailerons.
Speed and Climb are 2 very important things yes, but with a plane such as the Gloster Gladiator, I-153 and CR42 wouldnt you be at more of an advatage at low altitude fights because of your manuverability and much better preformance at lower speeds?
It may make it a little easier to BnZ attack you, but still BnZ would not be very effective against such a manuverable plane capable of low speeds.
It would also be a VERY good plane to up at vulched feilds, it would have a short take off time, be manuverable at low speeds, and be pretty tough cuz of the wooden construction like the hurricane we have.
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Ah! the top speed of the I-153 was near 20 mph of the A6m2, not the CR42, got them mixed up.
Check out this site:
http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/aircraft/i153.htm
History:
One might jump to the conclusion that the Polikarpov biplane was superceded by the I-16 monoplane. In fact the I-16 flew before it was in service, the I-153 not reaching operational status in Mongolia until the late 1930's.
Polikarpov's Bureau began work on the TsKB-3 in 1932, when the earlier I-5 was in full production. Unlike the I-5 the new fighter had a small lower wing and large upper gull wing curved down at the roots to meet the fuselage. As the I-15, the highly manoeuvrable fighter gained a world altitude record before serving in very large numbers (about 550) in Spain, where it was dubbed Chato (flat-nosed). It even served against the Finns and Luftwaffe, but by 1937 was being replaced by the I-15bis with a continuous upper wing carried on struts.
The ultimate development was the powerful I-153 Chaika, with retractable landing gear, either wheels or skis folding to the rear. Coming on line in 1938 some thousands served in the Far East, Finland and on the Eastern Front. Armed with four 7.62 mm machine guns, the I-153 boasted a speed of 275 mph. While heavier than the I-15 types, the I-153 was powered by a M-62 1,000 hp engine. Later sub-types had variable-pitch propellors and drop tanks well outboard the lower wings.
Stats:
Polikarpov I-153 Chaika
Length: 20' 3"
Height: 9' 8"
Wingspan: 33' 5"
Empty Weight: 3,201 lb
Gross Weight: 4,321 lb
Maximum Speed: 285 mph
Service Ceiling: 29,527'
Range: 546 miles
Powerplant: One Shvetsov M-62 1,000 hp 9 cylinder radial
Armament: Four 7.62 mm ShKAS machine guns plus six RS-82 rockets
External bombload: Two 165 lb bombs
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Empire - are those pictures posted taken by you? Are you a former Meteor pilot? Curious.-Mister Fork
yes...:D
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Question-...Howd u get on the subject of the 153 isnt this a meteor post...Just asking
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Originally posted by empire2
Question-...Howd u get on the subject of the 153 isnt this a meteor post...Just asking
...I have no Idea lol! But I'd like to see Gloster Gladiator even more than the I-153 :D
Meteor would be OK I guess, but HTC is focusing on early war planes, wich is why I think the Gloster Gladiator and few other biplanes are around the corner.
My guess is they will add a few planes like the Ju87 Stuka, B25, I-16 (I-153 was actuelly much more usefull and longer used than the I-16 though) adding some good opponents for planes like the I-153, Gloster Gladiator/Sea Gladiator CR.42 (CR.42 would also help out the italian plane set) and Fairey Sword fish.
All I'm tryin to say is we are in much more need of early war planes, since HTC has modeled most of the late war ones.
My guess is we will see the meteor eventuelly, but not untill most of the early war planes are added for the European theater.
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LOL i was just talking to Hitech on ah and i asked him"HT-Are you thinking of putting in the Gloster Meteor"Guess what he said
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"Eventually" LOL
Ain't That so damn origional
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YOU WERE TALKING TO HT??? COOL!!!! did he say any thing about biplanes!!?!?! or the 1.10?????
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for one thing think about how hard it would be to design biplanes.First the outline,it would be amazingly hard just to come up with the color scheme plus an effective anti-bug biplane.it would take the work of two planes just to come out with the gladiator.Because of the two wings the designation of the planes would so the production of planes down dramatically so ide much rather see it on any other version than 1.10.And no i said nothing to ht about biplanes... Thx fer listenin LOL
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but to get back to the subject i want the meteor on Aces 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*Its just one of those days*
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Originally posted by empire2
for one thing think about how hard it would be to design biplanes.First the outline,it would be amazingly hard just to come up with the color scheme plus an effective anti-bug biplane.it would take the work of two planes just to come out with the gladiator.Because of the two wings the designation of the planes would so the production of planes down dramatically so ide much rather see it on any other version than 1.10.And no i said nothing to ht about biplanes... Thx fer listenin LOL
I've thought about it but it wouldnt be that hard. They modeled a Lanchester? I think they can handle a little Gladiator, and if they need paint scheme referances I can give em 100's of links:D
I find biplanes very easy to model, made this one in a few hours:D!
(sorry bout getting off subject just had to show you my model :) )
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Heres a Gloster Gladiator model by Dr Zhivago.
(I think he spent a little more time working on his model :D )
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what program do u use to madel these with and where do i get them :)
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I use "meteseq" or something like that, I think the 2nd model was made with anim8tor.
You can download Meteseq at
http://www.excite.co.jp/world/url/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.sphere.ne.jp%2Fmizno%2F&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2
(japanese site but in english)
You can find a tutorial on making plane models for meteseq at http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/cyber/fms/Metasequoia_e.htm
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Improved gladiator...new wing guns, tail wheel, exhaust pipes, engine air intake, main landing gears and lower wing... :)
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Cool, hey Dr Zhivago all we gotta do now is send it to HTC and get em to stick it in AH! :D
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and texturing, and flight model.................
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Can't be that hard, Don't have to animate the gear :)
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....and animate the control surfaces, prop, flaps (if it had any)
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cajun can u give me the direct link to the download?Because ive gotten viruses before downloading languages.
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Yes it had flaps on both wings,... but we could leave that to HTC to write in the code ;)
Empire2, the link I gave you should be in English is'nt it?
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i found an englishsite to download it from well here it ishttp://www1.sphere.ne.jp/mizno/main_e.html (http://www1.sphere.ne.jp/mizno/main_e.html)
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no it wasnt in english.it was in japanese and it was only the top of the page.The bottom didnt show up
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The advertisements were in japanese, but everything else is in English, at least on my comp.
But doesnt really matter if u found it :)
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how do i get my model on the bb?
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empire2
Just zip the "model file" and attach the zip to your message and if its too big to attach (max size 102.4kb) then just split it with winzip.
Added rudder & tail flaps to Gladiator... :)
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I wrote... well mostly copy & pasted the script :) a little program that rotates an object and takes pics.
PS if you find out how to animate an object with metaseq please tell me!... Trying to model some characters/vehichles for my games but they look really funny just floating around lol
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Very nice DR Zhivago, all it needs now are fusealage guns, animation, and in Aces High! :D
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Cajun
Dont know how to animate with metaseq but just downloaded Metasequoia Ver2.2.3 and ill try that program later...
ps. Gladiator got totally new wings (+flaps added), new support wires etc. , fuselage guns/blisters added, new mufflers/exhaust pipes and tried Finnish gadiator paintscheme to fuselage and rudder...
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Nice, German Gladiator looks kinda funny lol. very good job on the bitmap! what did you use to make it?
I'd like to model a Gladiator with this paint scheme:
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Heres my paintscheme source, just copy&paste from pick :)
Jatkosodan Varusteet - Equipments of Continuation War (http://koti.mbnet.fi/~avalpas/images/Jatkosota/Varusteet/cwdata/PiirrosGlosterGladiatorII.html)
And the main page...
Pictures From Wars During Finland´s Independence (http://koti.mbnet.fi/~avalpas/index.html)
This pick is showing British gladiator MkII...
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Originally posted by Dr Zhivago
Heres my paintscheme source, just copy&paste from pick :)
Jatkosodan Varusteet - Equipments of Continuation War (http://koti.mbnet.fi/~avalpas/images/Jatkosota/Varusteet/cwdata/PiirrosGlosterGladiatorII.html)
And the main page...
Pictures From Wars During Finland´s Independence (http://koti.mbnet.fi/~avalpas/index.html)
This pick is showing British gladiator MkII...
lol so thats how you get such realistic paint schemes :D
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Nice, German Gladiator looks kinda funny lol.
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uh oh.
// fats
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Originally posted by fats
--- cajun: ---
Nice, German Gladiator looks kinda funny lol.
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uh oh.
// fats
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Originally posted by cajun
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As much as I am for perking the Finns, I have to help them out here. Them's Finnish markings Cajun, not German. I believe the "uh oh" was in relation to the spirited discussion that usually arises when German and Finnish markings are confused.
Hope everyone is having a good day.
palef.
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heres my first plane...Oh and i cant seem to get animation on my damn planes...It wont work can somenody tell me how plaese thank you
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empire2 do you have any idea how to animate? Even if you cant get it to work how do you do it? I'm totally clueless on animation...
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Just downlaoded your model, your wings are currently transparent if you stick the model in a program, select all the wing pixels (whole plane wouldn't hurt) and go to select, and click "Double side faces".
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Gloster Gladiator zip, you need Anim8or to open this file. Youll find it from here... http://www.anim8or.com/main/index.html
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Started working on another Gloster Gladiator:
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3 things:yea i think the meteor would be a great addition to the long list of planes that htc has gave us. It would a great rival for the me262 and a great base dominator.2nd thing:Cajun what program do you use to turn the plane and take pictures...could i download it?3rd thing ive attached my 2nd plane made with metaseq or whatever i think its pretty damn good but thats just me its just a simple doodle the flaps rudder stabilizers etc. are not there they need to be added but its i ok condition.this is the zipped file ill put on the un-zipped one after this post
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ok i cant put on the un-zipped file NOTE:You need metaseq to see the file
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Empire2
Your model is little bit too thin, higher would be better...
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Empire2, you can rotate camera in meteseq by holding down the right mouse button, And to take pics I just pressed "Print Screen" (Right of f12) , went to paint program and pasted it.
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OK, If you want some practice I would LOVE to see 'my' bird modelled. Can take measurements (from the real thing) and supply some drawings if neccesary. You ever fly Vampires Empire? Bloke that Co-owns XE856 flew meteors at AFS and an OCU and remembers the as horrible smelly worn old things :D but I would still love to see the III in AH
www.project-vampire.org.uk (http://www.project-vampire.org.uk)
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LISTEN I WIDENED THE BODY IT LOOKS OK OH AND HOW DO I GET THOSE DOTS OUT TO LOOK AT MY PLANE LIKE THE pic dr. has of my planei need to see what it looks like.oh and cajun or dr can you fix that model i made of the meteor .put some flaps or something on it oh and doctor can you put that animation on that u put on beside the picture of my plane and send it to me through the bb Thx(http://C:\My Documents\mINE1)
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ok here the pic of the dots and as you can see i widened the body...any more tips?
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Heres another view
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i have found the primitive ring has many uses.This one is the wheel axlesLOLOL but hey it looks good. I also modified the underbelly of the plane.But i want to know how to make the holes in the hull for the gears.can i get some info please Thx
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Empire2
Dont put any holes to hull/fuselage (AH planes got no undercarriage bay or holes for the gears/wheels)
You can add background image from here, right click with mouse, load pick , preview (too big/small?) and push ok. And you got nice background image + its much easier to model the plane... :)
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well anyways like i said in the begining of the thread i think the meteor would be a such a perfect plane for ah its not even funny.:rolleyes:
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ok so now 1.10 is past can we have the meteor in 1.11 i know ive been trying to keep this post going fer a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooong time because i want an official to see, but i know the meteor would be a great rival fer the 262 and a great strafe jet.
please post ALL of your opinions on the matter.
THX
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Originally posted by empire2
Im glad MOST you are with me on this
I'm all for having a non-german jet. Every other WWII sim had the 262, time for a change.
I'm also all for having biplanes. My score is all for having biplanes. My K/D is all for having biplanes. Such a pity biplanes would be more of a curiosity than something you'd see in the main.
But let's get the Meteor first :D
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Couple of questions...
That program, Metseq, is it easy to learn? Free? how powerfull is it compared to other 3D modelling products?
Got the link in this forum so will go and download it now.
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Another thing, the only Meteor Mark to see action was the Mk I, it saw action against V1's which makes it a "legit" plane to model.
The Meteor Mk III never saw action, only service, it never encountered any enemies/fought any enemies. Thus, IMO it's not legit. If it IS legit, then so is the Do335 as it too saw service and several other planes in other countries. I want the Do335 BAD but question is do we want this to be a WW2 game or a "what-if" game?
As for the Meteor Mk I, with a max speed of 420mph it wouldn't stand much of a chance against a 262, would be able to dive faster then prop planes though.
Not trying to start a flame fest here, just telling you my opinion.
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Mk. III flew armed recon / strafing missions over the Reich. There were two squadrons stationed on the continent for this purpose. Just because the Luftwaffe didn't dare challenge it doesn't mean it didn't take part in combat.
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he 162 would be the obvious choice for the next jet. I not saying I want another jet, I didnt care if we got the 262. Yes I am biased but the meteor has no roll in AH. Theres no V1s to chase.
The he-162 actually got kills in ww2. It was faster as well.
The Do335 would be a crappy fighter, great intercepter but it would be big and fragile and another Bore 'n' ZZZZZZZZZ'r.
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Metasequoia is very easy to learn, and great for making things like Buildings, ships, and other unanimated stuff, you can't make an object WITH limbs or animation but its Very good at making "limbs" and stuff seperate to put together & animate in another program.
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Dare challange it Funked? Do you believe in that your self? Had the Luftwaffe been around anywhere nearby the Meteor I'm quite sure the Meteor Mk III would have caught up with them, it's not as if they could run from it.
You know, the Do335 didn't see any action because the RAF and USAF didn't dare challange it :rolleyes:
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Thanks Cajun :)
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Wilbus the metoer mkIII flew ground attack sorties in the 2TAS in the closing months of the war. Just because it had no air to air kills doesn't mean it saw no action- it can't be helped that the Luftwaffe are a bunch of wussies and wouldn't fight them.:D If the Stuka and il2 had no air to air kills would we not model them?
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meteor never saw combat with any enemy aircraft apart from V1 flying bombs (or v2 or whatever they were called)
if it didnt see combat it should not be included until every plane that DID see combat is included imo.
If however HTC made the flying bombs then I would agree to its inclusion.
The do 335 is another aircraft that i personally would like to try out but when i learned it never fired a shot in anger vs allied aircraft i struck it off the list.
What i would like to point out is that if AH starts to go down the road of modeling aircraft that DIDNT see action but were constructed in however small numbers you will start to see MANY more LW planes demanded than Allied.
Those damn nazis had hundreds of strange and exotic planes on the drawing board or in the prototype stage.The lists of demands would be ENDLESS!!
if you want an aircraft to match (or come closer to) the me262 on the allied side ask for the latest model P51 (the H was it?) or the P47 (M?). These aircraft , although not jets were incredibly powerfull and fast aircraft.They were much more of a threat to an me262 than any lame half assed meteor design let me assure you :)
the meteor was not a good fighter.It just looked nice.
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How unpatriotic of you!
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Originally posted by Mitsu
Meteor would be great addition if HTC releases most of Japanese planes. :D
Yup...no jets yet. Japanese planes painfully underrepresented in AH
Gainsie
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Originally posted by hazed-
meteor never saw combat with any enemy aircraft apart from V1 flying bombs (or v2 or whatever they were called)
if it didnt see combat it should not be included until every plane that DID see combat is included imo.
If however HTC made the flying bombs then I would agree to its inclusion.
The do 335 is another aircraft that i personally would like to try out but when i learned it never fired a shot in anger vs allied aircraft i struck it off the list.
What i would like to point out is that if AH starts to go down the road of modeling aircraft that DIDNT see action but were constructed in however small numbers you will start to see MANY more LW planes demanded than Allied.
Those damn nazis had hundreds of strange and exotic planes on the drawing board or in the prototype stage.The lists of demands would be ENDLESS!!
if you want an aircraft to match (or come closer to) the me262 on the allied side ask for the latest model P51 (the H was it?) or the P47 (M?). These aircraft , although not jets were incredibly powerfull and fast aircraft.They were much more of a threat to an me262 than any lame half assed meteor design let me assure you :)
the meteor was not a good fighter.It just looked nice.
I'd like to see you tell one of the veterans of 504 or 616 Sqns that they "didn't see any combat" on their ground attack missions behind enemy lines. That would be a great scene.
Also you might want to read up on the performance of the Meteor III. You are making claims here ("not a good fighter", "lame half assed meteor design") that are not backed up by the facts.
And I don't know why you compare the Meteors with planes that never saw combat (P-51H) or planes that never made it into serial production or even squadron service during the war. Your bias is glowing like ET's heart.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Dare challange it Funked? Do you believe in that your self? Had the Luftwaffe been around anywhere nearby the Meteor I'm quite sure the Meteor Mk III would have caught up with them, it's not as if they could run from it.
You know, the Do335 didn't see any action because the RAF and USAF didn't dare challange it :rolleyes:
You can't see the difference?
The Do 335 was stooging around over friendly territory, avoiding combat.
The Meteors were flying at low altitudes over German soil and shooting up German ground forces. The Luftwaffe had plenty of opportunity to challenge it, and they chose not to.
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This is called Aces High, not groud attack low. Would rather have some planes added that saw real plane vs plane comabt, then a plane that just did a few straffing runs and V1 intercepts.
- Edit - Not saying I wan't to see another Jet or Do335, they would just booooreeee you to death with BnZ attacks. But if the topic of another jet came up, He162 is the only choice.
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Yep, blame the Meteor for the Luftwaffe's impotence. :rolleyes:
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WHy would the LW be scared of the Metor? The LW had trained jet piolts. Their jet piolts had much more expirence then "a few straffing runs". They had been using the 262 longer and had much more combat expirence then the Metor piolts
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I'm not saying the were afraid of it. They failed to protect their forces in the West from pretty much all Allied aircraft.
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i'll agree with that :)
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Also:
Me 262 entered service in June 1944
Meteor entered service in July 1944
Yes there were more Me 262's in service and yes they had been in development longer, and yes Me 262's fought bombers well, but by early 1945 I'd bet the most experienced Meteor pilots were at least on par with the most experienced 262 pilots.
The main problem for the Meteor III pilots would have been the 45 mph speed disadvantage. But the Meteor had better climb, much better wingloading, and better armament. Also I don't think the Meteor had the engine reliability problems of the Me 262. So I think it would have been a good scrap, similar to Hurricanes vs. 109s. :)
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262 needed unusually long take off & landing runs (as compared to prop planes) - anyone know if same was true of the Meteor (or the P-80. IMHO, if the Meteor qualifies for AH then so does the P-80, unless V-1s count as air-to-air combat, which it doesn't. nobody counted V-1s kills as real kills [i.e. knocking down 5 V-1s did not make you an 'ace'])
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Meteor had a much lower wingloading than the 262 and with the Meteor III, a slightly better thrust/weight ratio. So I would imagine the takeoff runs would be shorter. I bet it was still longer than the RAF's prop fighters though.