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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: LePaul on June 06, 2002, 08:53:38 AM
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Well, all this hub-bub about Daniel Pearl just wont go away. The Phoenix, a newspaper out of Boston, published pictures of his execution today. On their web version, they provided a link to the film the terrorists made.
Tired of hearing various commentaries about the whole situation, I decided to view the film. Its graphic, and clearly the guy is saying anything to save his life, which ultimately fails.
The link, http://prohosters.com/pearl/ has it.
Why post this? Well, it sure burns into your mind what we are dealing with, as this is more a propoganda video than anything. These, friends, are the small minds and attitudes we are dealing with now.
Again, watch at your own risk. Other than upsetting the tummy, the fact people are out there that want to kill us for what we stand for is all quite sobbering.
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I refuse to watch it.
Seems the terrorists got their wish. This is exactly why they made the video.
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That's fine Rip, tuck that tail in tightly now :)
Remember "know your enemy" ?
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Originally posted by LePaul
That's fine Rip, tuck that tail in tightly now :)
Remember "know your enemy" ?
I know him. Just waiting for the SOB to quit being a popsicle and fight like a man. Since all terrorists are skinny little dweebs with an IQ of roughly a pumpkin, it'll never happen. They'll just continue to take the chicken-shit method.
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Damn straight, Rip!!! Preach it brother.
Masher
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Once again a conservative attacks a poor defenseless vegetable- this time a pumpkin.
Isn't the terror these poor squashes have to go through every Halloween enough for you monsters? You rip out their guts, mutilate their shells with rediculous and insulting carvings, then you burn their insides with candles!
Now you insult them by comparing the noble pumpkin to a terrorist. How many suicide bombers are vegetables? NONE! How many vegetables have ever hijacked an airliner? NONE!
Just because some of your mommies made you eat everything on your plate is NO JUSTIFICATION for your anti-vegetable stance today. Quit abusing vegetables. And quit killing kittens- especially you, Animal.
Elfenwolf
Pres., PETA-PAN
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Well I was like rip at first and didn't think it should be shown. I don't know why I watched it, I honestly wish I hadn't, but I think it was good that I did. It let's you know just how fanatical these people are. It's laced with propoganda while he speaks. Pictures of dead arab/muslim women and children (I'd bet murdered by arabs/muslims) Which would all be fine and dandy and maybe even believable, until they show them dismembering him and holding his lifeless head up. That's got to be the saddest thing I've ever seen. What the hell did he do to deserve that? oh yeah, nothing.
Our enemies are fanatical 7th century barbarians, this tape proves it. It at the very least shows that they will show us no quarter, if we didn't already know that. Hopefuly people will learn this and we will start dealing with them in the way they should be delt with, overwelming force of arms. Maybe thier survivors will learn the lesson.....
The video is sick, but it should be viewed for the educational value alone.
Sorry to the his family, I know it must be unbairable :(
U
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freakin savages
ignorant, uneducated animals
didn't they realize their "cause" would have been better served if they released him after they forced him to make the video?
coward, stinking uncivilized terrorists
may they and theirs burn in Hell
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JMHO, but I think everyone should look at this vid. Especially whenever we begin to lose sight of the nature of the people we are dealing with.
They deserve no more mercy or thought than you offer a cockroach. Just exterminate them.
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Man. My feelings of hatred are almost overwhelming after seeing that.
If it's jihad they want, jihad they shall have.
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This is a letter from the CEO of the company that is hosting the video. I personaly think orgish.com is disgusting and I don't ever go there to see pictures of death. This letter hits home to me though. It gets to the very foundation of our way of life, freedom.
The terrorist think this video will scare us. I think the more people who view it, the more our nation will be angered and possibly take substantial action to stop this from heppening in the future....
May 28th 2002
12:00PM EST
To Whom It May Concern,
After great deliberation on behalf of Pro Hosters and myself personally, we have decided to post the Daniel Pearl video on http://prohosters.com/pearl
First, I would like to offer our most sincere condolences to the
Pearl family, our hearts go out to them in their time of grief.
From the beginning, it was never Pro Hosters’ intention to censor legal content displayed on one of its or one of its customers’ sites. We did not force ogrish.com to take down the content. We merely presented the facts as they unraveled themselves to the owners of ogrish.com. We alerted ogrish.com to the FBI’s insistence to take the content down. Ogrish.com made the only decision whether the content would stay in place or be deleted. They decided they would take it down.
Although they decided to take it down, it was the FBI’s intimidating requests to take it down that finally drove them to remove the content. Pro Hosters feels that we must stand up and protect our customer’s right to have this video shown. Yes, the video is horrible and macabre in nature however it is every person’s right to view this video if they CHOOSE to do so. This video shows the hand of terrorism that each of us faces, and shows the real (tragic though it may be) outcome of terrorists’ actions.
In my opinion it should not be hidden or swept under the carpet, it should be available to anyone who chooses to watch it. We have a right to see what terrorism can and will do to our nation, if it is not eradicated at the source.
The beauty of our country is that any American can deem what he wishes to be morally right or wrong based on his opinion and his judgment. It is for this reason that Pro Hosters has chosen to release the video in its entirety to the public. Under the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution all Americans have the right to free speech and freedom of press, whether you or I deem it moral or immoral.
We thank all of our supporters and the ACLU for standing behind us.
Sincerely,
Theodore D. Hickman Jr.
Pro Hosters L.L.C.
President/CEO
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Apache wrote : Man. My feelings of hatred are almost overwhelming after seeing that.
that about sums it up
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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The terrorist think this video will scare us. I think the more people who view it, the more our nation will be angered and possibly take substantial action to stop this from heppening in the future....
Agreed. The western world must be uninted and in this to the finish. They sure as hell will be.
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It seems almost sureal that these individuals think that this kind of actions / video will cause the average American to support their cause. What they have done is just to give a graphic justification to hunt them down and see that they cannot perpetrate this type of act onm another human being. This is absolutely counterproductive to developing support for their "cause". It is nothing more than hate mongering and fuels the desire for reprisals.
Don't these idiots get it??? Americans are absolutely enraged by attacks on the helpless. This does nothing to make us feel ANY sympathy for them or ther "goals".
Apache, I agree fully.
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Found another site bragging it hasn't been asked to take its own down. It and the rest of the garbage it puts up.
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Originally posted by Udie
In my opinion it should not be hidden or swept under the carpet, it should be available to anyone who chooses to watch it. We have a right to see what terrorism can and will do to our nation, if it is not eradicated at the source.
The beauty of our country is that any American can deem what he wishes to be morally right or wrong based on his opinion and his judgment. It is for this reason that Pro Hosters has chosen to release the video in its entirety to the public. Under the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution all Americans have the right to free speech and freedom of press, whether you or I deem it moral or immoral.
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I agree but with one exception. I am sorry for the family of this man and the ongoing pain I am sure they must feel. A public release of this video does not allow for such a tragedy to be put behind them and move onward. However, this is not the filming of a car accident or something to that extent. In history, many tragedies involving the cruel treatment of people and the brutal taking of human life have been filmed. I saw some on the History Channel from WWII this evening. Such information galvanized a popultation.
This is not the first time an execution has been filmed in this manner. It's just the first time it has been available to a wide audience. I am certainly a proponent of maintaining operational and strategic security for classified information but this provides a real insight into the mind of the type of people we are dealing with in the war on terrorism. (yes, I realize it was released to a Paki news agency and was not classified but I am just commenting in a general sense.)
I watched this video repeatedly. I did not want to see it. I have seen worse. It brought back memories I would have rather forgotten.
I could not help but analyze the non-verbal communication that Mr. Pearl was providing...the clues he was trying to send...the look of hope that somehow he might be able to talk his way out of this predicament. Mr. Pearl was valient in his efforts. An operator would have resigned himself to the fate that he knew was coming, but always thinking of escape and developing scenarios in case of a rescue attempt.
People in the USA need to realize that the war on terrorism is one we cannot win in the traditional sense. We can only plug the holes in the dam and try to stem the tide where possible. We can minimize terrorism by maintaining a clear foreign policy that we will remove the leadership and limit the funding of terror groups by whatever means necessary...coldy, quietly, and deliberately.
Rogue out
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rogue = todd?
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Originally posted by Udie
rogue = todd?
No....equal plain old me "rogwar", my original WB login which meant Rogue Warrior, not to be confused with the original, Dick Marcinko, a plank owner and founder of ST6.
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sry but i had to post again....
the more i think about what i saw the more sick to my stomach i get. i mean HOW do actually cut off a human's head... u gotta be some kind of fuggin monster or something. i live in milwaukee and we never even saw anything as visually disturbing whit the dahlmer case... everything was implied, like the barrel they took out of his apartment. all u saw was the barrel but u knew what was in it. but i'm babbeling here my point is actually seeing this is probably the most disturbing thing i've ever seen. makes you wonder who the sick twisted arses are who actually look for this stuff on the web. i know it is out there and i see the "death" videos on download sites that i goto, i just never watch them.
1 thing i'll make clear... i DON't agree everyone should see this even for the edcuational side of it. we don't live in mideval times where people were forced to see very graphic things all the time. there are some very fragile minds out there and who knows what impression they might get from this. i have images of nazi's watching the death of a jew and enjoying it. for reasons like that i believe this video should not be alailable to the public.
another VERY disturbing thought i've had is was he dead when they cut it off ? i know that's really sick to think about but just out of severe sympathy to him i hope to God they didn't kill him that way
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They want f16s to Packistan...I say send em....
fully armed.
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What you see there is butchery, not murder. Lack of blood and if you look you will see that the head is already half off when he moves it to get a better cutting angle.
DmdKanth
Originally posted by JB73
sry but i had to post again....
the more i think about what i saw the more sick to my stomach i get. i mean HOW do actually cut off a human's head... u gotta be some kind of fuggin monster or something. i live in milwaukee and we never even saw anything as visually disturbing whit the dahlmer case... everything was implied, like the barrel they took out of his apartment. all u saw was the barrel but u knew what was in it. but i'm babbeling here my point is actually seeing this is probably the most disturbing thing i've ever seen. makes you wonder who the sick twisted arses are who actually look for this stuff on the web. i know it is out there and i see the "death" videos on download sites that i goto, i just never watch them.
1 thing i'll make clear... i DON't agree everyone should see this even for the edcuational side of it. we don't live in mideval times where people were forced to see very graphic things all the time. there are some very fragile minds out there and who knows what impression they might get from this. i have images of nazi's watching the death of a jew and enjoying it. for reasons like that i believe this video should not be alailable to the public.
another VERY disturbing thought i've had is was he dead when they cut it off ? i know that's really sick to think about but just out of severe sympathy to him i hope to God they didn't kill him that way
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Wow, this is the worst you guys have seen on the internet?
No offence, what happened to Pearl was pretty bad, I imagine. I refuse to watch it, myself.
I don't think the brutality that a human would inflict on another human beingg would surprise me much though.
No one here has ever seen the video of the Russian soldier's neck being slit by the Chechnians?
The Arabic guy being pulled apart by a couple of jeebs?
I mean this is nothing NEW.
The more I think about, the more I get pissed off.
I mean holy diddly. Poor diddlying you that you chose to see this. Lets nuke the diddlyers. You were bless that these images shock you. Some people live with these images most days of their lives.
Cripes open your eyes
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"No one here has ever seen the video of the Russian soldier's neck being slit by the Chechnians?"
Actually he gets decapitated, the full treatment if you will.
All with a big knife. Plus hes alive in the video, unlike Pearl, and you can see the pain and fear in his face as the knife first stabs into the side of his neck then a gush of blood from the wound. Very quickly he looses consciousness then they rip the knife, cutting forward, through the front of his neck. Next they cut the rear portion of the neck including the spine. Filally they dangle his head to side. Very graphic.
Ceratainly one of the most unusual and terrible things to see, and its in black and white...... Very sad hes prolly just some poor russian kid, perhaps my age. Very sad. :(
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I wasn't thinking of this thread as a "i've seen worse or had worse than you have" type of thread.
It's shocking and it's unacceptable.
Some people live closer to it than others and that sux.
Meanwhile it's unacceptable.
there's no need for oneupsmanship here.
Many of us don't live in a country where this is rampant, so expect some surprise, that's reality.
DmdKanth
Originally posted by Thrawn
Wow, this is the worst you guys have seen on the internet?
No offence, what happened to Pearl was pretty bad, I imagine. I refuse to watch it, myself.
I don't think the brutality that a human would inflict on another human beingg would surprise me much though.
No one here has ever seen the video of the Russian soldier's neck being slit by the Chechnians?
The Arabic guy being pulled apart by a couple of jeebs?
I mean this is nothing NEW.
The more I think about, the more I get pissed off.
I mean holy diddly. Poor diddlying you that you chose to see this. Lets nuke the diddlyers. You were bless that these images shock you. Some people live with these images most days of their lives.
Cripes open your eyes
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WTF would you people watch stuff like that on purpose?!? i can't understand the logic of somebody seeks out that stuff. and the distressing part is you prolly replayed the description you just wrote in your mind. i would never want to have something like that in my permanent memory...unfortunately i do now with the Daniel Pearl video.
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I've seen the video of the Russian soldier.
For that reason, i will not see the David Pearl film. The other film disturbed me long enough, and has deeply shaken my faith in humanity in general.
One thing this should make clear to all of us, sitting at home living sheltered life: it is a rough world out there, and there are those that are out to kill us in horrible ways.
This is a non PC attitude, but it really IS do-or-die in the world. Wrapped up as we are, removed from the graphic aspects of death as we are, we've been lulled into thinking that life should be a happy pursuit of happiness.
It fundamentally isn't. For every other species, the harsh reality is a daily struggle for survival.
And I think that we during recent time have had several demonstrations that indeed for the human animal, the same is true.
Vs these guys, it's do-or-die time. I know and accept the consequences of my choice.
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I wasn't old enough to drink in the US the first time I saw real people who'd been dismembered by machete, some of them still barely alive . I think a viel of naivety was lifted from me then . I think most americans, well most of the modern world, still see the world through that viel . Humans that have departed from humanity and have become abominations must be dealt with to ensure the safety and security of people like us and society .
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The video is ugly and shows a senseless death of a man.
But dont make the mistake to assume that only the arabs could act like barbaric monsters.
The inhuman monsters are everywhere and in every nation.
Just look at:
http://www.markazdawa.org/englishweb/palest/index.htm
These you will find other monsters who were killing anither helpless man.
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Go f/%¤# yourself Babek. This is the wrong thread for your anti-Israel roadkill.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Go f/%¤# yourself Babek. This is the wrong thread for your anti-Israel roadkill.
what Hortlund said.
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LOL - you are really funny and extremely predictible, Hortlund.
Try to calm down and relax - its such a nice summer day today :D
I have mentioned a story where it is shown that in another part of this world other humans became ugly monsters and killed a helpless man - like in the Pearl video.
And you react with the accusation of "anti-israeli roadkill".
This report has been shown in french and british news agencies.
So I think that their reports are true.
And so for me it is not important what nationality a criminal monster or its helpless victim has.
Pearl was butchered in an ugly way by some criminal monsters.
The same happened to the man who was killed by the soldiers.
The same happens day by day throughout this world.
ALL these crimes are to be blamed as inhuman criminal actions.
Or do you disagree ?
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Originally posted by babek-
And so for me it is not important what nationality a criminal monster or its helpless victim has.
Pearl was butchered in an ugly way by some criminal monsters.
The same happened to the man who was killed by the soldiers.
The same happens day by day throughout this world.
ALL these crimes are to be blamed as inhuman criminal actions.
please someone post here the photo of that palestinian guy who is on an open window yelling and showing his hands red in blood from the israel garrison soldier he has just killed -lynched- with his fellow bastard friends.
that way this individual will shut up for a good while.
Hopefully. :mad: :mad:
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@rram: I repeat one sentence of my mail before by typing the letters very slow - so you can maybe understand better what I mentioned.
"ALL these crimes are to be blamed as inhuman criminal actions."
So - do you think that I have any sympathies for the criminals who killed Pearl or for those who killed the palestinian or for those palestinians who lynched the garrison soldiers ?
Is it so difficult to understand the sentence ALL CRIMINALS HAVE TO BE BLAMED - AND ITS NOT IMPORTANT WHICH NATIONALITY THEY HAVE ?
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What the hell did he do to deserve that?
He was a jew Udie.You and I would have the same fate in their hands.
I`m glad to see more and more here finally reallize what we`re up against,and how they need to be dealt with.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Since all terrorists are skinny little dweebs with an IQ of roughly a pumpkin, it'll never happen.
Sadly Rip I don't think that is true, if we continue to underestimate our enemies we will continue to fall prey to their crimes . Think we would've learned a thing or two from Pear harbor .
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Originally posted by Samm
Think we would've learned a thing or two from Pear harbor .
Never group all battleships of pacific fleet at anchor together at the same time?
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I was referring to the american assumption at the time that the Japanese were intellectualy and physicaly inferior and primitive . And that they could never create an airplane superior to our own with such great range . Or that they could ever get anywhere near our shores without us knowing it .
Underestimate your enemy and you have armed him with a very potent weapon, surprise .
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babek-
I agree with:
"The video is ugly and shows a senseless death of a man"
But to compare the stills of whoever to the video of an unarmed, did nothing to noboby, (just try to get a story about the plight of these sicko animals) REPORTER doesn't fly.
For all I know, the dead guy in your example may have just offed a bus load of women and children.
Sorry, don't see the comparison.
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Thank you Eagler,you`ve just made an excellent point.