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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: udet on June 07, 2002, 01:41:26 PM
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which is the heaviest armed single engine prop fighter of WW2?
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i'd have to go with the FW-190A8
It's stardard loadout was 4 20mm and 2 13mm.
It was possible to carry 6 20mm and 2 13mm
2 30mm Mk-103, 2 20mm, 2 13mm
2 30mm Mk-108, 2 20mm, 2 13mm
And with all this it could still hold a bomb if they wanted too.
There are heavier armed planes i can think of but they're 2 engine planes.
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Meaning guns or total ordinace?
F4U-1D could fly with 4,000LBS of bombs and rockets. Later models up to 6K.
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Originally posted by udet
which is the heaviest armed single engine prop fighter of WW2?
It depends on how you measure it, whether you include gunpods etc. The later Fw 190 had four 20mm and two 13mm, but the British 20mm Hispanos were more powerful. One British fighter, the Martin-Baker MB 3, was designed to carry six Hispanos, but it didn't see service. The Russians had the Yak-9T with a very powerful 37mm cannon and the Yak-9K with a 45mm, which was certainly the most powerful gun carried by a single-engined fighter.
Tony Williams
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And lets not forget the mighty Me410. It could carry a HUGE assortment of armaments. :)
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Verm,
The Me410 has two engines, thus disqualifying itslef from this particular discussion.;)
Some form of Fw190 I'd think, but its performance would be hit so badly that it'd scarcly be a fighter anymore.
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Originally posted by Tony Williams
It depends on how you measure it, whether you include gunpods etc. The later Fw 190 had four 20mm and two 13mm, but the British 20mm Hispanos were more powerful. One British fighter, the Martin-Baker MB 3, was designed to carry six Hispanos, but it didn't see service. The Russians had the Yak-9T with a very powerful 37mm cannon and the Yak-9K with a 45mm, which was certainly the most powerful gun carried by a single-engined fighter.
Tony Williams
Military gun and ammunition website: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk
Discussion forum at: http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/
I was going to mention the Martin Baker MB3.... now that would have been impressive to see 6 x 20mm hispanos in operation! :)
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I think the me109 G 14 could be fitted with 5 20mm cannons plus the 2 13mm cowl guns. I'll have to double check.
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Fw190A8 could be fitted with 2x13mm and 6x20mm...(four MG151/20 in underwing gunpos on the outter wing)
in fact it WAS used operationally...
not like that prototype wannabe MB3 ;)
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B25-H. 8 .50 cals and 1 75mm. It scored several air to air kills in the Pacific with its nose guns.
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Originally posted by fdiron
B25-H. 8 .50 cals and 1 75mm. It scored several air to air kills in the Pacific with its nose guns.
lets see...that thing in the right wing...is an engine...
that thing in the left wing...wow...is another engine!
lets do some simple math!...one engine...plus another engine...that makes...
TWO ENGINES!!!
Yahoooo!
:p :D
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Hi Tony,
>One British fighter, the Martin-Baker MB 3, was designed to carry six Hispanos, but it didn't see service.
In fact, even the Spitfire was considered for a 6 x 20 mm wing armament, and the Spitfire IV prototype was equipped with a mockup six-gun installation for testing (see Alfred Price' "Spitfire - A Complete Fighting History", p. 97).
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Tony,
>One British fighter, the Martin-Baker MB 3, was designed to carry six Hispanos, but it didn't see service.
In fact, even the Spitfire was considered for a 6 x 20 mm wing armament, and the Spitfire IV prototype was equipped with a mockup six-gun installation for testing (see Alfred Price' "Spitfire - A Complete Fighting History", p. 97).
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
:eek: Glad they don't have spits like that on AH!... bad enough with the 2x20mm and 4x 303 brownings they have now :eek:
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The Ta152C series could mount up to a total of SEVEN 20mm and 30mm cannon.
The standard armamament was 4 MG151 in wingroots and cowl, an Mk108 in the motor- plus a possibilty to mount 2 extra cannon in the outer wings. A few Ta152C saw service with JG301 in April 1945, making them possibly the most heavily armed single engined fighters of WW2.
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Grunherz, there were only two production 152C models completed. When they were picked up (their factory was about to be overrun) they were unarmed. When they were equipped and used in combat at the unit level, they were armed as the standard H models.
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B25 tankbuster
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Do335B-2 with three MK 103 and two MG 151/20 or Do 335B-3 with two MK 103 + two Mg 213/30 + two MK 108... ;)
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The Spitfire Mk IV prototype was renamed Spitfire Mk XX and 500 were ordered in 1941, complete with 6 Hispano 20mm cannon. It was renamed for two reasons, 1) a photo recon Spit was given the Mk IV designation and 2) it was decided that Merlin Spits would be Mk I through Mk XIX and Griffon Spits would be Mk XX+ (obviously that was abandoned). That is why there is no Mk XX Spitfire.
So far as I can tell, a clerk saw the order for 500 Spitfire Mk XXs when the Spitfire Mk number was V and, assuming that the order was in error, changed it to an order for 500 Spitfire Mk Vs. If that hadn't happened a Griffon powered Spitfire armed with six 20mm Hispano Mk II cannon would have entered service in late 1941 or early 1942.
Personally, given the targets that RAF Fighter Command was shooting at, I can see no reason to sacrifice performance for that firepower. Two or four 20mm cannon are quite suffient for shooting fights down. As a matter of fact the Spitfire Mk Vcs (four 20mm Hispano Mk IIs) sent to Malta had a pair of 20mm cannon removed because the firepower wasn't needed for shooting down the Luftwaffe and Regia Aeronautica fighters and medium bombers while performance against things like the Bf109F-4 mattered quite a bit.
If we include proto-types (or types just entering production at the end of hostilites) we have to include the J7W1 Shinden, which was armed with four 30mm cannon. It was in production at the end of the war.
(http://www.j-aircraft.com/j7w/images/j7w-5.jpg)
Dr Zhivago,
The Do335 has two engines, thus it doesn't count.
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As far as mg armorment is concerned. It's a tie. P-47D with 8 .50 cal mg and a model of hurricane 12 .303 cal mg. With cannon its different. I would stick wit the the yak or 262:rolleyes: :cool: :D
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262 doesn't count. It has two engines.:p
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Originally posted by Dr Zhivago
Do335B-2 with three MK 103 and two MG 151/20 or Do 335B-3 with two MK 103 + two Mg 213/30 + two MK 108... ;)
Do 335 was 2 engines plane.
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Ta152 A.
Never saw action but was fully ready for production when RLM canceled it and decided to have Kurt Tank build the H version instead, something that delayed the introduction of a good high alt fighter to the LW by almost a year. Noone knows why they did this, the A version was fully ready for everything and worked well.
The aramament consisted of 4x 20mm Mg151's and 2x30mm Mk108's and 1x30mm Mk103.
Or 6x20mm Mg151's and a hub mounted Mk103 or Mk108.
The Hub mounted cannon could be changed (independent of the other aremament) between the Mk103 and Mk108. The outboard cannons could also be changed between Mk103, Mk108 and Mg151's.