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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 07, 2002, 03:32:51 PM
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Since there seem to be as many opinnions about this issue as there are players, a poll would be in order.
So, give us your opinnion about the perfect gameplay balance.
In your opinnion on general fun factor, which is the best;
a) Flying as underdog with 2-3 enemies for each friendly?
b) Flying as underdog with 1.2-1.5 enemies per friendly?
c) Flying on fair terms 1:1
Thanks for replying.
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d) fly with fewer assh*les
how likely is that?
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Not very likely it seems. You missed the original questions though.
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Variety is what I like. I wouldn't want to be in any one situation all the time. So I'll choose a, b, c, d and e
d) being: Flying as overdog with 1.2-1.5 enemies per friendly
e) being: Flying as overdog with 2-3 enemies for each friendly
eskimo
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Don't mean to piss on your poll but the perfect balance for me is flying with the BK's no matter the enemy numbers.
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Yeah, as long as there are BK's to shoot....I'm happy. :)
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Balance is for them little girl gymnasts walking on that long beam, in war there are no rules about balance. :)
dago
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Dago, war yes, game no.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
a) Flying as underdog with 2-3 enemies for each friendly?
b) Flying as underdog with 1.2-1.5 enemies per friendly?
c) Flying on fair terms 1:1
d) Flying for my country regardless of whether we are outnumbered or "have the numbers".
I believe in country loyalty - sticking with my country through good times and bad, and have done so since I first started playing Air Warrior nearly 4 years ago. Yes, sometimes we may be badly out-numbered.... other times it is one of the other countries - but it is swings and roundabouts! Of course, in AW, if we were a member of a squad, we would have to leave the squad to change country, so it just didn't happen in most cases. I think the fact people can change country and remain in a squad makes it too easy to change.
A lot of the problem, I think, is people changing country when they see one start to "win the war" - they change to that country to get the points, but at the same time swelling the numbers of that country even more. I think if restrictions were placed on squad members changing country it would go a long way to solving the balance problems we sometimes have now.
Whatever happened to country loyalty, anyway? :rolleyes:
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a is actuelly fair, and 1:1 is not fair at all cuz there are 3 countrys so u will allways have 2 enemys for every 1 ally :D... But if I had an account for MA I'd fly fpr the underdog (prolly rooks) I love takin on a bigger opponent... though I dont allways win lol :)
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Just won't let it go will ya?
Hiyas Flossy:) Myself and squadmates have been Bish since the beta...we're not going anywhere:)
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Originally posted by Flossy
Whatever happened to country loyalty, anyway? :rolleyes:
I'm with Eskimo. Also, I've always thought this country loyalty thing was pretty retarded. I don't get it. I can understand not liking when your country mates start defecting when the going gets tough, but I think it's great fun to switch sometimes and fight with my teammates and fly with my enemies. I always end up back with the Bishops, so what's the diff? This ain't a flame, I just honestly don't understand the strict loyalty (never fly for another country, period) frame of mind. Maybe some of you gay MAWs can give some input on this too. :p
SOB
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a is actuelly fair, and 1:1 is not fair at all cuz there are 3 countrys so u will allways have 2 enemys for every 1 ally
Cajun you might want to check your math.. 3 countries fighting all 3 makes equal pressure to all sides.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Cajun you might want to check your math.. 3 countries fighting all 3 makes equal pressure to all sides.
I don't think you get it.... I was saying if all countrys had the same ammount of players you will still have 2 enemy's for every 1 ally so you will still be out numbered 2:1 :)
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Since there seem to be as many opinnions about this issue as there are players, a poll would be in order.
So, give us your opinnion about the perfect gameplay balance.
In your opinnion on general fun factor, which is the best;
a) Flying as underdog with 2-3 enemies for each friendly?
b) Flying as underdog with 1.2-1.5 enemies per friendly?
c) Flying on fair terms 1:1
Thanks for replying.
How about leave it how it is? This numbers in the arena debate is as silly and inane as "perk the La7!" whines, and yes no matter how you try to disguise it with a "poll", your post is nothing more than a whine.
Basically you want people to play by your rules and how you want to them to play and that's just plain idiotic. I also notice that you only seem to whine when the numbers don't favor your country but never when they favor your side. Hypocritical?
Ack-Ack
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AKAK I've stated several times that the odds are practically never in rooks favour on our timezone. Last night I played untill 3 AM and rooks finally reached 90% of bishop numbers after having 50% of their numbers for at least 8 hours or more.
The funniest thing is that my suggestions would stop any side from becoming the underdog. There would no longer be a constant 'hole' where one country has to be. That would benefit the community as a whole, not just a single country.
Just don't talk about something you don't know anything about please.
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It's pretty obvious from watching the arena that most AH flyers prefer local 3:1 or 4:1 odds favors
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Exactly boozer.. Everyone wants to have 3:1 advantage, now we only need to find the players who want to be banged 3:1 constantly. AI drones?
[edited for Toads convenience - euro zone]Bishops have already agreed to AI opponents judging from the amount of empty bases they capture daily.
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rude... sometimes when a person gets really old they fear change. Not sure if there is any help for that.
lazs
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Just don't talk about something you don't know anything about please.
Sure hasn't stopped you Ripley.
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Originally posted by Boozer
It's pretty obvious from watching the arena that most AH flyers prefer local 3:1 or 4:1 odds favors
I don't think preference necessarily has much to do with it. When a lone enemy wanders near a group they are going to attack it. The group of individuals may or may not be flying together. They may all simply be going to the fight by the most expedient route and happened to up at the same time.
Now, what do you think they should do? Select one to challenge the enemy? Hell, they all want the kill and aren't too concerned about providing a fair fight. That's never gonna change and happens on all sides.
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Poor AKiron is totally clueless..
Like we're talking about individual groups of players on the arena hitting lone enemies..
Sure hasn't stopped you Ripley.
Please tell me what makes you think I don't know the situation during the hours I play on the arena? And what is the method by which You know it better than me.
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The only real way to achieve balance in the MA is accomplished by having everybody log off. Any other way and there's just too many variables.
Most get that. One doesn't.
AKDejaVu
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I always flyes for my team (rooks) no matter the ods... though 120 vs 34 with no Dar, is kinda boring.. but I always fight too the end. And if more people likes the Bish (well thats their problem.... not mine :).
"They where young, and brave... but they where very few" Rook figthing spirit :)
P.s I am always a suporter of the underdogs, but I have nothing against people who fly for the side with the most numbers... (I dont understand their "Honour Code" or the challenge (more lack of challenge)... but it is not my plase too judge others, so *S* all AH'ers) .... (excepte the 2 cheating bastards bish,,whoms name I shall not mention.)
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The only real way to achieve balance in the MA is accomplished by having everybody log off. Any other way and there's just too many variables.
You people don't seem to grasp the idea of balance.. LOL. Can you really be that retarded? Most of you keep shooting comments like people would be forced to switch sides every 10 minutes in order to achieve a perfect balance on the arena while I'm talking about preventing a huge mismatch in player numbers.
If the other side constantly has 200 players and the other 100, it's no longer a variation but a flaw in the design.
Let's see anyway, today's player numbers were quite promising with all countries more or less. Maybe the long-last imbalance finally ended.
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LOL! You go ripley. You remind me of a Monty Python skit where John Cleese ends up marching all by himself.
AKDejaVu
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I thought this was supposed to be a poll, and that you were done whining on and on and on and on and on and on and... about this.
SOB
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You may want to rethink your social comparison. A larger share is not a monopolistic share, to step in at that stage would indeed be a state run economy.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Since there seem to be as many opinnions about this issue as there are players, a poll would be in order.
So, give us your opinnion about the perfect gameplay balance.
In your opinnion on general fun factor, which is the best;
a) Flying as underdog with 2-3 enemies for each friendly?
b) Flying as underdog with 1.2-1.5 enemies per friendly?
c) Flying on fair terms 1:1
Thanks for replying.
the poll needs more choices to make it more inclusive of player habits/wishes/desires ...
so i must choose d) all of the above
followed by e) none of the above
side note: I was in the MA last night and for about 2 hours (10pm-12am PST) the rooks (~95) and the knights (~85) were only attacking the bishops (~80). Is this merely a serendipitous (sp.) event or was this by design of the rooks and knights? Can anyone tell me if this happens often (i.e. do countries make alliances with other countries in the MA or, like sharks detecting blood, do countries gang up on weaker country?)
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Fatty when a side grows larger than the both other countries together it can be seen as monopoly.
SOB yes it seems that nobody attended the poll with a couple first replies sabotaging it. Or then as I thought, the poll shows that nobody really want's to fly at a disadvantage on regular basis. Therefore there can't be people flying at a constant advantage either or the system doesn't work.
BUT...
As I said today the arena has been balanced. There seems to be a chance that situation HAS changed.. I really hope so.
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That'd be the first 50% monopoly I've ever seen.
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Recall reading on how some of the axis/allies would get jumped by 30 to 100 cons (109s or 51s). No different from what i see in the MA, just have to fly um smart and engage on my terms. :)
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Central the only difference being that the chances of winning are about the same in both cases. Next to none.
Therefore IF you want to create an enviroment where all countries can have a reasonable chance of success individually, there has to be somekind of a balance, not 2 or 3:1 situation constantly.
As I said, situation has changed today, if it stays this way we can forget this whole subject as antiquated.
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I think the poll is a good idea since most folks want a decent, exciting fight.
i'm feeling jaded after the events on Friday night.
side note: I was in the MA last night and for about 2 hours (10pm-12am PST) the rooks (~95) and the knights (~85) were only attacking the bishops (~80). Is this merely a serendipitous (sp.) event or was this by design of the rooks and knights? Can anyone tell me if this happens often (i.e. do countries make alliances with other countries in the MA or, like sharks detecting blood, do countries gang up on weaker country?)
The numbers/country made for balanced game (1:1:1). Yet the MA battle did not turn out to be a balanced game.
Time to Priller's lead and just fly and fight regardless of play-balance! lol
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Packy alliances do happen sometimes, but not all the time.
Besides, would you prefer fighting 80 vs 160 or 40 vs 160?
It's far more common for the bigger countries to gang the smaller and if the numbers are not even remotely even, it can become ugly.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Exactly boozer.. Everyone wants to have 3:1 advantage, now we only need to find the players who want to be banged 3:1 constantly. AI drones?
[edited for Toads convenience - euro zone]Bishops have already agreed to AI opponents judging from the amount of empty bases they capture daily.
Hummm MrRiplEy, you may have just come up with an answer for the balance situation. Balance could be equal at all times through the introduction of AI Drones automatically assigned to the countries without equal numbers. The drones' performance could be modeled according to the mean average performance of a country's logged-on players, and this AI performance modeling would change in accordance with a country's human performance factor.
I'm fairly certain this idea would not appeal to most players, thus causing players to balance the sides by choice, rather than dealing with unmarked drones capable of performing dogfight functions. To make the idea more palatible, the drones would not engage unless fired upon first. If you shoot one down, then you get perks as a compensation for fighting one. Drones would be randomized fighters only, and could be stopped from upping by hitting fighter hangars.
Don't know how complicated it would be to implement such a feature...to be sure, it would not be welcomed by most players. But it would balance the sides automatically, and perhaps give incentive to players to balance the arena. More balance equals fewer drones.
Ok, I'm ready, let the roast begin, LOL.
:D
Les
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
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SOB yes it seems that nobody attended the poll with a couple first replies sabotaging it. Or then as I thought, the poll shows that nobody really want's to fly at a disadvantage on regular basis. Therefore there can't be people flying at a constant advantage either or the system doesn't work.
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FYI, this is not a poll at all, it a forum to get your arguments across.
You dont reply 15 times during a poll.... :rolleyes:
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I say fugg the "3 country" system and have a 1 country,kill-shooter off,car bombing enabled "Anarchy Arena".New added gameplay features would be...
1:Can start vultching immediately on takeoff or sit there and shoot them as spawn in front of you.
2:Can pretend to join a mission and when they launch,grab a lancaster and carbomb them as they all start to roll.
3:Modify the hit bubble so anything other than a HO has little effect.
4:You only get a kill message if you kill his chute or if he doesn't bail and crashes.
5:Modify the collision model so that ramming from behind will always kill the guy in front of you.
6:Auto-Mute (60 min) for use of any kind of salute.
7:Scoring changed to V/H,V/S(vulches catagory),R/H,R/S(ramming catagory),C/H,C/S(chutes killed catagory),W/H,W/S(whines catagory)and finally HO hit %.
8:Any sort of teamwork or "winging" is strickly forbidden.Repeat offenders banished to MA or CT.
9:Huge cities with lots of historical buildings and churches to blow up with GV's.Townsfolk scored the same as chutes.
10:Anarchy Arena to be called "AA".....:D
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Ideal balance for me would be lots of friendlies and just enough enemies so that there is one rolling down the runway each time I roll in for a vulch pass. :)
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Originally posted by funkedup
Ideal balance for me would be lots of friendlies and just enough enemies so that there is one rolling down the runway each time I roll in for a vulch pass. :)
funked
I don't know what time of the day Ripley flies, but if you ever get up between the hours of 6am(ish) to about 10am(ish) you'll see it seems that is exactly what most folks "seem" to think. Usually about 100 - 150 in the MA. The numbers are swayed (at least in the last few weeks) to the Bish for sure, but contrary to what Ripley is saying, it's not just the Bish who think that way, it's just the numbers that make it look so. What I see early on usually is a horde of Bish hitting undefended area's, but the folks outnumbered are doing exactly the same thing. 3 or 4 guys try to put a dent in the Bish drive with most of the rest hitting some undefended areas. I seldom see any two sides hit each other head-on, and even when they do (almost), the third side moves in on whatever is undefended... vicious cycle that gets old.
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Lazs....
We'll talk in Dallas, however I tend to get really really nervous when I'm in new places with strangers.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I say fugg the "3 country" system and have a 1 country,kill-shooter off,car bombing enabled "Anarchy Arena".New added gameplay features would be...
1:Can start vultching immediately on takeoff or sit there and shoot them as spawn in front of you.
2:Can pretend to join a mission and when they launch,grab a lancaster and carbomb them as they all start to roll.
3:Modify the hit bubble so anything other than a HO has little effect.
4:You only get a kill message if you kill his chute or if he doesn't bail and crashes.
5:Modify the collision model so that ramming from behind will always kill the guy in front of you.
6:Auto-Mute (60 min) for use of any kind of salute.
7:Scoring changed to V/H,V/S(vulches catagory),R/H,R/S(ramming catagory),C/H,C/S(chutes killed catagory),W/H,W/S(whines catagory)and finally HO hit %.
8:Any sort of teamwork or "winging" is strickly forbidden.Repeat offenders banished to MA or CT.
9:Huge cities with lots of historical buildings and churches to blow up with GV's.Townsfolk scored the same as chutes.
10:Anarchy Arena to be called "AA".....:D
Now THIS sounds like fun!
eskimo
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FYI, this is not a poll at all, it a forum to get your arguments across.
X2lee this WAS a poll untill certain individuals posted THEIR comments in it, which I had to reply. Check your facts.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
X2lee this WAS a poll untill certain individuals posted THEIR comments in it, which I had to reply. Check your facts.
Well what I said was a fact and you agreed with me by saying
this was a poll. Check your facts.
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"Lazs....
We'll talk in Dallas, however I tend to get really really nervous when I'm in new places with strangers.
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Rude
13th TAS "
well... that should work out great for both of us... I will do all the talking.
lazs
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X2lee so now it's my fault if some individuals decided to sabotage the poll? LOL.
I know you don't like me, nor do I like you. Go to bash some old women on the road, it fits you better.
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You sabotaged your own "poll" by asking biased questions.
And you know it.
By "sabotage" in the first replies do you mean "they didn't like any of my biased choices so they made up their own"?
That's sabotage?
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In a way you're correct Toad since I proved that there aren't many people who want to play in the hole. What surprised me that there weren't too many people who wanted even fair terms..
That leaves with the question above; where will we find the willing drones to gangbang on?
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Well, looks like about 25 folks bothered to even post in this thread.
I'm guessing by looking at the scores page that somewhere over 2000 people are playing the game.
You're an intelligent guy... how would you rate a totally unscientific poll that draws such a limited response?
"Proved"? You didn't even get any data!
:)
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
In a way you're correct Toad since I proved that there aren't many people who want to play in the hole. What surprised me that there weren't too many people who wanted even fair terms..
I've dedicated most of my adult life to "playing in the hole".
Err... are you talking about the arena? Then in that case... I'm curious how you feel that saying the same thing over and over again "proves" anything. Is it proof through self affirmation?That leaves with the question above; where will we find the willing drones to gangbang on?
Erm... what?
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Since there seem to be as many opinnions about this issue as there are players, a poll would be in order.
So, give us your opinnion about the perfect gameplay balance.
In your opinnion on general fun factor, which is the best;
a) Flying as underdog with 2-3 enemies for each friendly?
b) Flying as underdog with 1.2-1.5 enemies per friendly?
c) Flying on fair terms 1:1
Thanks for replying.
Using this kind of one-sided poll strategy, I'm going to conduct my own poll:
Who thinks MrRiplEy is:
a) Gay
b) a studmuffin
c) a Homo
Thanks for replying.
eskimo
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Think about it Rip, is this poll fair, or does it have an agenda?
Does it give you a fair chance to express your thoughts on the issue?
Sorry for using this kind of example, but it seems like the only way to make an analogy to your "poll" that might make you realize why it's flawed.
eskimo
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Ah Eskimo!
The perfect scientifically "balanced" poll!
I just hope none of the early posters "sabotage" your data gathering!
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
That leaves with the question above; where will we find the willing drones to gangbang on?
According to you, we can find them in Rookland...
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Does it give you a fair chance to express your thoughts on the issue?
LOL, everything is supposed to be fair but the MA.
....yeah right.
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Toad: I guess you're an intelligent guy too and gathered that 2000 people also didn't come here expressing their differing thoughts.
Eskimo2: You must be experiencing some hard times in your life with your sexual uncertainties. Maybe you're troubled with your own sexual orientation which makes you bring it up here where it has nothing to do with anything.. Come on Eskimo come out of the closet.
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Ok mRrIPlEy, condidering you have become the poster boy for side balancing I"m gonna offer my view to you.
There has to be some reason why Rooks are consistently outnumbered. Now I have listened to your theories about it, and always directed at Bish with an insulting tone I might add are something to the effect of...we need a numerical advantage because we're, skilless, scared, bucktoothed, ugly, under five feet tall etc. (You get the picture).
Now most of the Rooks are great guys however in my opinion the four biggest loudmouth, know it all , crybaby, blowhards in the game are Rooks. Perhaps It's time for YOU to take some responsibilty for the low numbers, could even be that YOU drive people away.
Twice I have come from Bish to Rook just before we reset you in an attempt to show you that we are not all as you constantly paint us in your daily longwinded harangues on channel 1. I didn't find you to be any more pleasant to fly with as against so take a look in the mirror friend.
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Aztec I don't know what to say here..
So, if I start taunting the other side BECAUSE they constantly outnumber us, it's all of the sudden my fault it happened in the first place? LOL.
Come on, come up with something better.
For 2 days (weekend) the sides were actually evened up, now at this time arena numbers are 46 bish 24 knights and 14 rooks.
It's not even close to reset, all countries have over 15 fields.
There's not much left to be said.. Numbers talk the talk.
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I'd like to see what AKAK has for an explanation for this one..
But.. I guess there's nothing to be done. I give up and let you play the gangbanging game as you want. IMO it would be more fun being balanced, but I guess there's a majority that disagrees with me.
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My point is pretty simple MrriPley, ya catch more flies with honey than with vineger. Ya want more friendlies, try being more friendly.
It may not help, but it sure as hell can't hurt. .
Edited due to typical handsomehunk spelling and it's still probably wrong:)
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Toad: I guess you're an intelligent guy too and gathered that 2000 people also didn't come here expressing their differing thoughts.
Yep, I'm smart enuf ta figgur that out Cuzin Rip!
Heckers, I'm 'most smart enuf ta figgur out that a clearly biased poll...
.... wasn't going to "prove" anything at all and that it was most likely to draw the exact response you got.
But don't let that stop you from telling everyone what this thread "proves". :D
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Toad it goes two ways, can't be another without the other..
So if nobody wants to fly banged, nobody can bang either - without spoiling the fun for others.
But enough of that.. I joined the bish side. Currently we're attacking all the 8 rooks with 40 of my new bish friends. It's a riot!!
Well, would be if I could find someone to kill.
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If we want to have a 1 vs 1 vs 1 environment, the best way is to:
1 - Enable spit only for the country with less numbers only when difference with any other country is greater than 5%.
2 - Set the minimum time to change sides to 15 mins.
In less than 45 mins we will have a balanced MA :D
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Definately choice B.
Now Eskimo's poll has more votes than Ripley's;)
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Another tard raises its ugly head..
You're so worried about losing your only chance of getting kills (gangbanging) that you oppose any suggestions that would create balance on the arena.. It's very transparent.
:D
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There's no denying the Pacific time zone heavily favors the Bishops. Last log-on the numbers were 49 Bish, 38 Knits and .. woo hoo..! 10 Rooks. Boy it was very interesting with 9 other mates defending 19 fields. Thankfully, the Knits were busy driving back Bishops who, from the Western part(that's right, that Western backward quadrant) of Mindanao, drove all the way inside to near Knit HQ in a straight line, without assistance of the CV. I'm sure this Bish feat was achieved by 'skill' alone :rolleyes:
Anyhow, I still think there might be a way to balance things out:
[Idea: Country registration system prior to each new tour]
* Limitations to registration according to numbers balance.
* Individuals register as individuals, Squad registration is done by squad leaders, and the whole squad is registered.
* If a mega-squad or a lot of individuals registers to a certain country, many more smaller squads and individuals will be forced to register to one of the other two countries.
* If certain two countries have too much numbers, other squads and individuals may register to the underdogs only.
* After start of tour, MA will be logged on as what you've registered for the whole tour length.
Sure, this won't solve problems with time zones permanently, but it would better the odds of more balance with other time zones.
Besides, you guys like flying with different people? Well, this one's gonna be totally random according to who registers where. There can't be any problem with something suggesting the numbers being fair, can there? I think a small amount of 'control' is still better than total 'freedom' which we have that somehow, despite the freedom, always produces same sort of results.
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What is transparant is that virtually no one gives a rat's bellybutton about your crusade, Ripley;)
But don't let that stop you. Your one-millionth of a million man march on Grapevine is exceedingly entertaining!
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tho I have no love for those who worship under the icon of the dildo....
New poll..
do you still beat your wife?
1) Yes
2) no
3) does using your fists count?
lazs
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Lazs you can use your fist to your wife in many ways, which do not include violence. :cool:
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I'd say your last couple of replies pretty well prove my point mRrIPleY.
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Edited due to typical handsomehunk spelling and it's still probably wrong
I've got news to you.. You got it all wrong.
I'm not going to be rude to you however as I checked from your stats that you're still a beginner. We must be nice to the newbies.
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This train wreck is still burning? Cool!
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Another tard raises its ugly head..
But just a short time later...
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I'm not going to be rude to you however
:D
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Toad I was talking to Lance there, not aztec.
Btw: You haven't admitted being wrong about anything so far. Has it ever happened to you? You're so.. perfect!
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Moved to Bishops....lucky us.
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I'm sure I'll fit right in with the rest of you. :D
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What is transparant is that virtually no one gives a rat's bellybutton about your crusade, Ripley
Lance, though not everyone starts talking right out in the manner Ripley does, there are people who care, because the things happening around is really becoming serious. Wait, it already IS serious. For 8 months straight now.
Come fly with us Rooks for one tour, typically when the numbers are between 100~150 people. You'll see what lead Ripley to whine.
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Nice to see someone else has balls to confront the hordes too, Kweassa.
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I'll shed a tear for the Rooks when they quit sweetying. They sweetyed same time last year about always being outnumbered. Although 8 months straight this time? No break at all, not at all?? Exaggeration does nothing to get sympathizers for your cause.
Is it a coincidence or do people choose not to fly for them for some reason?
And Kweassa, Lance said "virtually"- which means almost no one gives a rat's ass....
-SW
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I'm not going to be rude to you however as I checked from your stats that you're still a beginner. We must be nice to the newbies. [/B]
But this is a slam on being "new", and it's a harsh one.
If experience is important, however, then who's the newbie?
I say you are ripley.
What do you know, you haven't even been here a year.
Your logic right back at you.
eskimo
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Toad I was talking to Lance there, not aztec.
Btw: You haven't admitted being wrong about anything so far. Has it ever happened to you? You're so.. perfect!
Toad isn't wrong here, you are. Read the entire post, see what others are saying. Have you even considered that YOU may be the one who needs to admit being wrong?
eskimo
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LoL, not a beginner by any stretch of the imagination, and I truly fail to see what my ability has to do with it. I never claimed to be an ace or even average and would be the first to say that as an AH pilot I suck! So you bringing up my stats dosn't hurt my feelings in the least MRiPlEy, it only further illustrates that personal attacks and insults are your MO and perhaps that is where your problem lies.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Toad I was talking to Lance there, not aztec.
Btw: You haven't admitted being wrong about anything so far. Has it ever happened to you? You're so.. perfect!
Yep. I know who you were talking to. I just thought your style on this board when "speaking" to other posters is pretty ironic considering that you said
THIS (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54619&highlight=arrogant)
about me:
"I've rarely met a person with such an arrogant, obnocious and patronising attitude like you Toad."
To top it off, of course, you have asked me to look in the mirror a few times!
Ever read your own posts? :D
As far as me being perfect, not a chance. Being a mere mortal man with all the foibles that come along with that, I've been knocked out of the race for the trophy.
I can tell you ONE thing I'm proud of on this BBS however and that is that I do not make AD HOMINEM attacks on other posters.
Another thing that I take real seriously and am very careful about is not telling other people how to have fun or how to play an online computer video game or that HO's are not a legitimate shot or that chute shooting is the worst crime imaginable, etc., etc., etc.
Now these two things, these codes, are hard to live by. I'm continually challenged to maintain control of my typing fingers when some guy clearly deserves a verbal hammering with no expletives deleted.
But I do try my best to follow them.
Besides, if I was anywhere near perfect, Drex wouldn't kill me every single time I run into him. :D
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Eskimo first of all, I've been here way over a year and my flight sim experience goes beyond that 'on that other side' so I'm hardly a newbie.
And for that part of being wrong, I can admit when I'm wrong..
However for the part that 2:1 (or worse as we saw again today) advantage over two countries being detrimental to gameplay in the long run, well.. isn't that clear?
You may give all kinds of BS about dynamic arena and changing of the sides, but the reality is that the players who log on and log out within their time limits see only the situation that's available then and nothing else. That leads to the simple fact that if sides are heavily lopsided during those times constantly, it's very detrimental to their gameplay. It doesn't help one bit if the situation is completely reversed in the wee hours.
What I was after was to create some kind of incentive for players to join the side with the least players, that would automatically balance the situation. Right now the incentive is to switch to the side that already has numbers - simply because the easy kills and protection of the group exists there. It's a deadly loop - the worse the situation in one country becomes the more players switch sides to the 'easyer' country. That way the situation practically never fixes itself. 47 vs 8 odds.. Think about it. Would you want to fly being one of the 8? Once? Twice? 20 times?
Score would be enough 'banana' for the experienced players to go and balance the weakest country while the newbies could still join the largest country and seek that protection of the group (which they admittedly do need naturally.)
I really can't see what gets Toad and the rest so worked up with this. I tried today flying on the larger side against the 8 poor sod's.. It was extremely boring, mostly transit flight finding no enemies.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I really can't see what gets Toad and the rest so worked up with this.
Yes, that's pretty obvious by now.
I'll try again:
I'm allergic to some paying players constantly trying to tell other paying players what to do.
Clear enough?
Oh, yah.. the continual insults raise an eyebrow too.
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Toad I understand your point of view also.. And I'm sorry if I've offended your principles.
I just don't see how giving an incentive to balance the game sides is telling someone what to do. Most games start from an assumption that there is a chance of winning - I've never heard of a game that had a built in design for other party to lose every and each time.
If the situation is like explained above for extended periods of time, don't you agree that it slowly kills the fun of the game? We all play to win and if the other side persistently makes winning impossible due to a huge mismatch in numbers, is that a good thing?
Let's try to bury the warhammer and forget the stupidities we've said (or I have said while po'd.) and think about this objectively.
Fortunately the situation has changed for better on the arena during the evenings now, but this morning was one of the worst I've seen yet. However that can be sustained since it seemed to be temporary, lasting a couple hours. Now we're still outnumbered but not by 4:1 - more like 30% instead. And this is an acceptable figure.
I know for a fact that there are many players who think like me (judging from talk in country channel) but they're scared to express themselves on the UBB. Looking at the responses I've got, it's no wonder.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I just don't see how giving an incentive to balance the game sides is telling someone what to do.
The real questions might be:
1. Incentive? You started these threads with requests for a mechanism to "force" side balancing. That isn't incentive.. that's force. Forcing is telling someone what to do.
2. Is it necessary to give an incentive? After all, a player can switch at anytime. If he chooses.. or does NOT choose.. to do so, isn't that his perogative? What might such an incentive be? Perk points? So then we get people hopping around non-stop to get perks for "balancing"? I doubt we'd ever achieve "balance" that way.
As I've said before, I do think some device that registered new players in the country with the lowest number of registered AH players is in order. I think most folks tend to stick around with the guys that "mentor" them through the beginning of the learning curve. That would have a "balancing" effect over time most likely. It preserves independent gameplay in the arena without "forcing" anyone to do anything.
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
If the situation is like explained above for extended periods of time,
Wait right there.. I don't concur with your theory. I don't think it EVER is like you've painted it when viewed from the MACRO viewpoint, ie: the 24/7 world-wide view. There MAY be some or a few hours of the day when the sides are incredibly unbalanced but I seriously doubt if that situation remains that way continuously through the 24 hour period.
It may also be true that there are some or a few hours of the day THAT ARE THE SAME EVERY DAY when the sides are incredibly imbalanced and always with the sames sides ascendant.
However, as I said, taking the MACRO view, I doubt anyone sees a need to implement a "forcing" device.
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
don't you agree that it slowly kills the fun of the game? We all play to win and if the other side persistently makes winning impossible due to a huge mismatch in numbers, is that a good thing?
Even if this is a "micro" problem, in one time zone at a particular time of day what do you suggest? Changing the whole system because of one anomaly that itself is continually changing? Even you admit the numbers have been varying in a positive manner.
In other words, is the entire system truly "broke"? Because if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. (An old common sense saying, not original.)
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Let's try to bury the warhammer
I don't have a "warhammer" out for any individual. I do post counter opinions if I disagree and see the issue as one that needs addressing.
You think I've unfairly tried to end your posting (as you said in another thread). Nothing could be further from the truth. Post all you like; just don't expect that no one will disagree with you.
I believe you also accused me of posting ad nauseam on this general subject. Again I remind you that I have only REPLIED to your posts. That mirror thing again.
As I said, I'm willing to engage in a cheerful discussion of this or any other idea. So let's just keep it cheerful, remembering it's just a silly little computer game and foregoing the ad hominem attacks and other nasty stuff. Sound ok to you?
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
they're scared to express themselves on the UBB. Looking at the responses I've got, it's no wonder.
Not to belabor a point but DO look at the responses you got. And consider what it was YOU said that made folks respond that way.
Sorry, but the way I see it YOU, by your tone and comments, were "asking for it".
As I said, let's forget it all an start afresh without the heat. We don't have to agree; we can agree to disagree. But disagreement should not be cause for flaming should it?
Pongo and I muddled through in that other thread without flames and ending with pretty much mutual respect of the other guy's position. (I think. :) )
So why don't we ALL try it that way for a while?
OK... I'm "up and off".
Let's see where it goes now.
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Toad the main problem between us was that you insisted that nothing was wrong with the situation.
Now at least you admitted that the situation might have been like I described in the 'micro view.' And IMO this is a much healthier base for discussion.
I agree with you in the 'force' thing, that will not work with players that already play. However with new accounts it could work. For existing players there has to be a banana, not a stick to lure them into doing the move for common good.
Look into the other post I made on the other thread where I tried to clarify my point of view on the subject.
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Ripley,
I haven't got a major beef with what you are trying to say in theory, its how you've gone about it that has annoyed me.
You can't get people to join a bandwagon that's covered with turds.
This thread started out as a "poll" with an agenda that has no interest in finding out what others really think. You have attacked people, exaggerated and have been a general ass, all in order to "prove" your point.
I think its funny that instead of admitting that the state of being a newbie is all relative, and that everyone is entitled to their viewpoint, you chose to explain that your not a newbie. It's like your afraid that everyone might lose this imaginary respect for you if they think you're a newbie.
Or perhaps you think that your wonder-stats somehow prove that your opinion is more valid than someone like aztec, as how he interpreted your comment. If you believe that your score/stats has place you on some kind of pedestal, then you are in your own little world. The truth is that in this thread alone you have discredited yourself to such a degree that I don't think that you can expect anyone to take you seriously again.
As far as aztec goes, now there's one I'll listen to.
eskimo
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Eskimo I don't really know what you think as a newbie..
Maybe for someone who has been playing these games for 10 or so years I'm a newbie.
I don't consider myself one anymore, though, after about 3 years of online playing. Do you?
Again, my apologies to people I insulted, I'm not perfect and I do stupid things when aggravated. The easyest thing to piss me off is to try to claim something I see before my eyes is not there.
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MrRiplEy = TROLL TROLL TROLL
Your poll is biased.
This is obvious from people's answers and your continued objections to their opinions.
And the most common answer is people will fly with their chosen country and squad mates regardless of the odds against or in favor - they dont' care about balanced numbers.
You're not interested in finding out how many people want what... because you won't let them answer with out trying to infuse your own opinion upon their answers.
You just want a stage to express your opinion.
You are a TROLL.
so go whine a wahahahaha "it's not fair" river..... because no one cares about the numbers except the loosers who can't deal with greater than 1 to 1 odds.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
The easyest thing to piss me off is to try to claim something I see before my eyes is not there.
I wasn't going to get back in here.
But this coupled with the "you insisted that nothing was wrong with the situation" require a bit more involvement.
Can it be that what you see before your eyes is not a situation or experience that other players around the world are seeing with THEIR eyes?
You know how some people see every adversary as a Spitfire?
You know those threads?
The "Sixth Sense" threads?
"I see Spitfires. They're everywhere, Flying around like regular people. They don't know they're Spitfires."
Could it be like that?
Can you accept that other players just see things differently?
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Ok fair enough Dmdnexus.
When was the last time you fought 4:1 (not single fight, talking about the whole arena here..)
I challenge you to play a tour in a time and in a country that has less than half the playerbase compared to the competition during your whole playing time. Maybe your view will change.
I made the poll like it is on purpose. It's meaning was to make people think about the fact that for every two players that wants to play 2:1 there must be one player who wants to be attacked by those two. Talking about 'constant' basis here of course.
Toad you're absolutely right. Maybe I took your response wrong, I took a wrong approach.
You're naturally entitled to a differing opinnion and probably during your play time things also look very different from ours. It just fealt to me like a direct attack, trying to tell me that I'm lieing.
If that was never your intention, my apologies.
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I've been flying online sims since AW was on Genie and CIS - middle 80's for those who don't know the history.
Flying 1 vs 5 is easy. Requires different tactics.
Doesn't mean you have to come back with 5 pelts on your cowling. Getting 1 pelt in that situation and RTBing means you did good.
I can tell you countless stories of me and my wingmen going against outnumbered odds and kicking butt. Yes I've won a few 1 v 5s.
That's what I enjoy about this game, winning when the odds are against me. Winning when I should have lost. That's what separates the good pilots from the snotnosed loaded diaper can't cut it whining dweebs.
To answer your question, I took a Spitfire up last night to A54, was about 20k, dove in on a cluster of about 10 bad guys, killed 2, before taking a hit to the radiator and I still managed to RTB!
It's not that hard to fight against numbers - it may not be the fight you want to have. Learn to adapt.
All you "1 to 1" and "Balanced Numbers" babies, whine too much.
You want a fair fight. I have news for you, there's no such thing as a fair fight.
You make the other guy fight your fight - that's how you win.
If you aren't fighting with an advantage, you aren't trying hard enough.
Instead of whining about having the bar lowered.... why don't you trying jumping over that bar or setting it higher.
Here's a tip for you. Altitude is life and when you are outnumber, make sure you have it.
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Dmdnexus what you're saying would be totally ok in a dogfight only arena..
But when strat comes to play the difference starts to count. You can't force the enemy to play your play, he will just choose another empty field to attack instead. End result is a loss with certainty. Don't you agree?
As a rook I've done the fights you describe daily. I've fought 10:1 and rtb'd with 7 kills.. that's no different. Only thing that bothered me after I rtb'd is that the enemy captured the field I defended alone in any case. You can't win the strat part even if you win the single fights with those odds.
Maybe I shouldn't care.. But after you log on day after day either to see the arena on the virge of reset or just otherwise in a nearly unplayable situation with enemy blitzkrieging undefended fields after another, it starts to wear the fun off. At least for me.
We've been all through this before so it's pointless to continue. It's very much clear that some people care and some don't.
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Ripley, I always try to attack the idea, not the man. (Yes, I will use lots of smileys and stuff though, I admit.)
Like I said, I'm not perfect. I'll try to write more clearly.
OK, "off and up" again.
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Very well Toad..
But I must warn you; I will still shoot you down on the arena if I see you! :D
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I'm not talking dog fight only. I'm talking about fighting your fight and not there's, adjusting your tactics to thwart their efforts.
It's not hard to stop the borg-hord from taking your field.
Here's a clue for you, it only takes 1 person to grab a P51 - climb to 20k and dive bomb the Barracks at the field they are staging their C47s from - and there you go, you've stopped 100+ pilots from having the ability to take a field.
Or just grab a P51 or 262 and hunt goons.
3 to 5 pilots could effectively stop the field capture effort on one entire front by using their brain matter.
Different tactics for different situations.
In the past, I've flown in many historic scenarios and sometimes the other side has many more planes, sometimes better planes... that's because that's the way it was.
The fun is in defeating the other sides efforts, especially when they have the advantage.
You're right, Imany of us don't care who wins the reset... personally perks points don't mean anything to me.
The game restarts in a few minutes and it all starts over again.
"it starts to wear the fun off"
If you have done all there is you can do with this game yet, then move on. No point in playing a game you don't enjoy.
I can't count how many times I've quit this game and others, only to come back to them months later.
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Ripley, I agree most of your thoughts but maybe this is a little bit too old thread. I dont care anymore even if bishes have 3 x more players than we. And why:
Bish missions sucks. They are not as effective as they were earlier.:D Ive killed so many goons that Im getting bored.
Yesterday we were outnumbered but we still took bases from them.
Bishes sucks!:D :p