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Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Octavius on June 09, 2002, 10:05:46 PM
Clancy is a god.  I can't think of any of his works that I didn't like.  The ONLY gripe I have:  I would have liked to see Harrison Ford play Affleck's role.  Don't get me wrong, I like Affleck; he was really good!  

Suspense throughout the whole movie (never read the book, now I'm thinking I will).  Seeing those Tu26's (am I correct?) gave me goose bumps.  Oh!  Gripe #2... sorry.  The smart bomb films were from Desert Storm... I did not appreciate that.  I remember seeing that crap on the nightly news.  I would rather see a nifty computer animated Su27 getting pounded than what was shown. Ahh well I suppose I can live with that.  

I HIGHLY recommend anyone and everyone to see this movie.  A big "this-could-actually-happen..." movie.  

I know Clancy has a military background.. but how extensive is it?  How much behind the scenes action in the CIA did he see?  Well... I guess one would have to actually have that type of job in order to compare.  I thought about what Bush's and any former Presidents' reaction to this movie would be... Would they laugh at the mistakes or gasp at the accuracy of his writing?   I know its just a movie (and a crapload of other books by Clancy), but as far as I'm concerned, this guy sure knows his stuff (and I'll believe it til I experience it first hand ;)).  

Awesome awesome awesome.. I can't say enough about this.  The movie ended less than 20 minutes ago and I'm still on edge so thats probably why I'm speechless :D  (speechless?  lol not after reading this again).  

Oct out
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: weazel on June 09, 2002, 10:40:37 PM
Actually I don't think Tom Clancy was in the military or served in the CIA.

He does an outstanding job of researching his books and made such a splash with The Hunt for Red October that he probably made contacts with government organizations that supply him with background for his writing.

IIRC he was also invited to the White House by Reagan during his tenure.

The Red Rabbit (http://www.clancyfaq.com/theredrabbit.htm) is the final book in the jack Ryan series, it's due for publication 8/2002.

If you haven't read the Sum of all Fears you should, it's one of his best.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: SirLoin on June 09, 2002, 11:00:44 PM
Saw it Saturday and didn't think it was very good.Not bad just not very suspensefull.Better was "Changing Lanes".Ben with Morgan Freeman.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Animal on June 09, 2002, 11:26:43 PM
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Saw it Saturday and didn't think it was very good.Not bad just not very suspensefull.Better was "Changing Lanes".Ben with Morgan Freeman.


Changing Lanes is with Samuel L. Jackson
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Mighty1 on June 09, 2002, 11:28:12 PM
Saw it Sat. and it was OK...not great but OK. It started slow and never really picked up but the story was good enough to make it worth watching.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Mathman on June 09, 2002, 11:44:49 PM
I liked it.  I think the best part was how they showed you the bomb going off.  I wasn't expecting it to go off right then.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Nath[BDP] on June 10, 2002, 12:17:30 AM
Changing Lanes has got to be one of the most ill-conceived, poorly written, poorly organized 'Hollywood" movies of all time.
It started out to be promising, but after about the first 20 minutes, when the two leads decided to start becoming agonistic with each other, the hope of a good movie ended.

My first gripe with the post-20 minute aspect was that nearly all of the plots were so fantastic and unrealistic that it was laughable. For example, why would Affleck's character let Jackson's character just walk away after he told the former that his silly little paper was thrown out? He doesn't even ask him where he threw it or gets out of the car to persue the matter. Talk about lethargic. uninteresting writing; not to mention when Jackson took the bolts out of Affleck's Mercedes; the main aspect I have problems with, albeit assumed, to this particular scene that deserves our derision is: just how in the hell did Jackson manage to get in, and actually find Affleck's car in his companie's garage? And why did, after quite a lengthy time of driving, did Affleck's wheel just decide to come off by the time Jackson caught up in the cab(I'm guessing Jackson borrowed some of his Mace Windu powers for this movie)? And of course Jacksn procedes to taunt Affleck as he's about to spin out, due to losing his front wheel, with a wrench; could this act not clearly been noticed by the cab driver or other people driving on the highway, resulting in Jackson being persued by the cops? Apparently in the fantasy world the movie takes place in.

I could go on and on with more examples of how poorly this work was written, but I'm sure you get the point.


The acting was superlatively good, though.

As for Sum of All Fears, it was strikingly similar to Changing Lanes in terms of poorly conceived plot;as well total fantasy in terms of realism. If we had a battle group like was as poorly alert as the one that was struck in the movie, we deserve to be nuked. Looks like Mr. Clancy has never heard of AEGIS or Hawkeyes on constant AWACS.

Changing Lanes was like listening to Stravinsky's he Right of Spring; total lack of proper theme development, lack of a basic center or motive, ecetera... Stravinsky was a genius though, and managed to keep this type of work interesting to deal with.

bleh.

Hollywood... stick with the fantasty genre. Ep 2and Spiderman blew both of these movies out of the water. The former, well, because it's Star Wars; and the latter was better just out of sheer originality, acting, special effects, storyline, entertainment, and the wonderfully pertinent last scene, which left me with a good feeling.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: SOB on June 10, 2002, 12:46:48 AM
I guess my only question is, how could you see the previews for Changing Lanes and not realise it was gonna be a stinker?


SOB
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Animal on June 10, 2002, 01:02:29 AM
nath, dude, hint: your new persona seems forced and is not coming across naturally.
try to relax a little, drop the classical music plugs, just because you got mocked for it on Deja's thread doesnt mean you have to keep proving that you are some sort of connoisseur ;)

elegance comes with simplicity, want a good example, read a few articles by Walter Isaacson or Kelly Knauer from Time's magazine, or read a few of Hangtime's posts

as for the changing lanes movie, i got tired of the same old style vs. substance issue. Pulp Fiction proved Samuel is a BMF, since then every movie he's been on is the same thing. a lot of attitude.

morgan freeman on the other hand, his style is the kind i want to emulate.  i really enjoy his acting and just for that i will go see Sum of All Fears, even though I know the plot is nothing like the book wich i enjoyed so much.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Nath[BDP] on June 10, 2002, 01:25:31 AM
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Originally posted by Animal
nath, dude, hint: your new persona seems forced and is not coming across naturally.
try to relax a little, drop the classical music plugs, just because you got mocked for it on Deja's thread doesnt mean you have to keep proving that you are some sort of connoisseur ;)

elegance comes with simplicity, want a good example, read a few articles by Walter Isaacson or Kelly Knauer from Time's magazine, or read a few of Hangtime's posts


That could be true to you--since I really don't care. I write what comes to me. I think you should apply your banal theory to your gaming--could help. After all, true skill eliminates predictability.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Animal on June 10, 2002, 02:34:38 AM
Uhhh.. whatever buddy

like being good with video games matters
but i know thats important to you, some people need to constantly remind others (and themselves) that they are good at something to feel confident. i think its cute that you chose a video game :) i dont even try to be good or have skill with video games. i just play to have fun. when i'm done, i get up and go do what i do best: real life.


(http://web.prtc.net/~mjrr/sam[1].gif)
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: majic on June 10, 2002, 04:47:40 AM
"Looks like Mr. Clancy has never heard of AEGIS or Hawkeyes on constant AWACS. "

Yes he has, and if you read the book you would know that (not a flame, just suggest you read it).  The movie people changed it, along with a quite a few other things.  I have yet to see the movie, but the book is good.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: SirLoin on June 10, 2002, 05:13:58 AM
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
Changing Lanes has got to be one of the most ill-conceived, poorly written, poorly organized 'Hollywood" movies of all time.
It started out to be promising, but after about the first 20 minutes, when the two leads decided to start becoming agonistic with each other, the hope of a good movie ended.

My first gripe with the post-20 minute aspect was that nearly all of the plots were so fantastic and unrealistic that it was laughable. For example, why would Affleck's character let Jackson's character just walk away after he told the former that his silly little paper was thrown out? He doesn't even ask him where he threw it or gets out of the car to persue the matter. Talk about lethargic. uninteresting writing; not to mention when Jackson took the bolts out of Affleck's Mercedes; the main aspect I have problems with, albeit assumed, to this particular scene that deserves our derision is: just how in the hell did Jackson manage to get in, and actually find Affleck's car in his companie's garage? And why did, after quite a lengthy time of driving, did Affleck's wheel just decide to come off by the time Jackson caught up in the cab(I'm guessing Jackson borrowed some of his Mace Windu powers for this movie)? And of course Jacksn procedes to taunt Affleck as he's about to spin out, due to losing his front wheel, with a wrench; could this act not clearly been noticed by the cab driver or other people driving on the highway, resulting in Jackson being persued by the cops? Apparently in the fantasy world the movie takes place in.

I could go on and on with more examples of how poorly this work was written, but I'm sure you get the point.


The acting was superlatively good, though.

As for Sum of All Fears, it was strikingly similar to Changing Lanes in terms of poorly conceived plot;as well total fantasy in terms of realism. If we had a battle group like was as poorly alert as the one that was struck in the movie, we deserve to be nuked. Looks like Mr. Clancy has never heard of AEGIS or Hawkeyes on constant AWACS.

Changing Lanes was like listening to Stravinsky's he Right of Spring; total lack of proper theme development, lack of a basic center or motive, ecetera... Stravinsky was a genius though, and managed to keep this type of work interesting to deal with.

bleh.

Hollywood... stick with the fantasty genre. Ep 2and Spiderman blew both of these movies out of the water. The former, well, because it's Star Wars; and the latter was better just out of sheer originality, acting, special effects, storyline, entertainment, and the wonderfully pertinent last scene, which left me with a good feeling.



Yeah,but it was better than Sum Of All Fears...I saw them back to back at a drive in Saturday.Just my opinion...Ooops,meant Samuel nnot morgan in my first post....
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: ~Caligula~ on June 10, 2002, 05:29:11 AM
Who would really belive Israel would leave a nuke out in the desert,so some wondering arab can find it?
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Zigrat on June 10, 2002, 08:30:54 AM
in the book the battle group was never attacked.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Sikboy on June 10, 2002, 08:56:03 AM
I enjoyed the movie, but then my backround is Foreign Policy with an emphasis on Russia, so hey, I "had" to like this movie lol.

Those were Tu-22's that attacked the battlegroup, and I think the attack scene was lifted from "Red Storm Rising" where it was a combined attack using Decoys from Tu-16s as well as the Tu-22s firing AS4 Missiles. IIRC, in "Red Storm Rising" the CVBG that is attacked didn't have Aegis Support (this was in 1986 I think, just after the Bunker Hill as commissioned).  Despite the fact that in my heart I know better, at the time, my suspention of dissbelief was complete. That scene was completly sublime.

-Sikboy
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Octavius on June 10, 2002, 09:51:06 AM
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Originally posted by Mathman
I liked it.  I think the best part was how they showed you the bomb going off.  I wasn't expecting it to go off right then.


Yep, heh it caught me offguard :)  I was expecting it for a few seconds prior to the actual blast.  When the scene changed to the hospital I leaned over and told my buddy I was waiting for an explosion... as SOON as I said that the fireworks started. =]
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: fdiron on June 10, 2002, 10:32:44 AM
I'm still waiting for a big budget movie that depicts a full blown between the U.S. and Russia.  This small conflict/ high suspense stuff is all crap.  I'm willing to bet that 'Sum of All Fears' is an hour and 40 minutes of boredom with 20 minutes of mild entertainment spread throughout.
Title: Sorry Guys
Post by: N1kPaz on June 10, 2002, 10:40:35 AM
Russia now has a junior seat in NATO and isnt our enemy anymore. They have decided to play ball with the west, and personally I am glad. I reckon they still got those 6000 odd nukes????
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Nath[BDP] on June 10, 2002, 02:20:31 PM
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Originally posted by Animal
Uhhh.. whatever buddy

like being good with video games matters
but i know thats important to you, some people need to constantly remind others (and themselves) that they are good at something to feel confident. i think its cute that you chose a video game :) i dont even try to be good or have skill with video games. i just play to have fun. when i'm done, i get up and go do what i do best: real life.


(http://web.prtc.net/~mjrr/sam[1].gif)


Being good at video games doesn't matter, although I have to admit, being good is more fun than being the antipodes.

I guess you could say it's important to me, but only on these boards, not in real life--this forum is an extension of AH. Thus I use my experience in AH as a tool in discussion on these boards; you should know this of me by now, and saved yourself the time. What I find funny is that you come on these boards and attempt to give some kind of faux advice to me, then you find yourself trapped and bring out the "i dont even try to be good or have skill with video games" bit. Save it, I've seen this attitude many, many times before... and it has always been the loser's creed--"I just play to have fun" goes with that as well.
Come on, at least take after Clitabria and admit that you can't hack it instead of making excuses.

2176 posts, nice life. You're beginning to remind me of Dejawho, who also seems to be the exemplar of real life relations with his 6,000 posts.

Btw, just so you know, the whole idea of "getting at me" on the boards because of in-game frustration I efficate is nothing new, and has been going on for years now. It has becoming tiringly trite and preditable--a funny truism that all the people who attempt this type of retribution towards me have in common is that they all use the same type of technique to extenuate their lack of ability ingame, as you did.

Come up with something new if you wish to have some fun.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Thrawn on June 10, 2002, 02:49:42 PM
I believe that was the most pretentious post I've ever read.

Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Animal on June 10, 2002, 03:36:28 PM
lol, nath, dude, you are full of toejam.

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Being good at video games doesn't matter, although I have to admit, being good is more fun than being the antipodes.


Yeah I agree. I also love being good in Aces High.

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What I find funny is that you come on these boards and attempt to give some kind of faux advice to me, then you find yourself trapped and bring out the "i dont even try to be good or have skill with video games" bit. Save it, I've seen this attitude many, many times before... and it has always been the loser's creed--"I just play to have fun" goes with that as well.


Try saying "Changing Lanes was like listening to Stravinsky's he Right of Spring; total lack of proper theme development, lack of a basic center or motive, ecetera... Stravinsky was a genius though, and managed to keep this type of work interesting to deal with." to a normal person face to face in a basketball court, and unless he/she lives in the same fantastic dimension as you seem to, they will not be able to keep a straight face.

But of course, if they laugh, you can always bring out your special "I am really good at basketball, and we are in a basketball course, so there, loser!" card, and they will be trapped, like I am! Oh, NO!!!!
lol.


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Come on, at least take after Clitabria and admit that you can't hack it instead of making excuses.


Woah, how did Cit get in here?

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2176 posts, nice life. You're beginning to remind me of Dejawho, who also seems to be the exemplar of real life relations with his 6,000 posts.


Yeap, and 75% of them made while making money in front of the computer, at work. Talk about efficiency. Oh, and I still see you hold a grudge against Vu for your misfire in trying to "educate" us with your musical expertise. That was a real horrorshow thread, best of all it brought out the classical music, signature and all for all to be reminded ;)


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Btw, just so you know, the whole idea of "getting at me" on the boards because of in-game frustration I efficate is nothing new, and has been going on for years now. It has becoming tiringly trite and preditable--a funny truism that all the people who attempt this type of retribution towards me have in common is that they all use the same type of technique to extenuate their lack of ability ingame, as you did.


No, your in-game ability has nothing to do. If that were the case, Drex would be target #1. We like to pick on you because of the outrageously retarded crap you come up with, Kep.

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Come up with something new if you wish to have some fun.


But I am having fun! :)
Keep the posts coming. Good entertainment.
You are already poking at AH skills, but thats as deep as your trick bag goes, Wagner.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Nath[BDP] on June 10, 2002, 04:14:03 PM
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Yeah I agree. I also love being good in Aces High.


heh, but you aren't.


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Try saying "Changing Lanes was like listening to Stravinsky's he Right of Spring; total lack of proper theme development, lack of a basic center or motive, ecetera... Stravinsky was a genius though, and managed to keep this type of work interesting to deal with." to a normal person face to face in a basketball court, and unless he/she lives in the same fantastic dimension as you seem to, they will not be able to keep a straight face.
But of course, if they laugh, you can always bring out your special "I am really good at basketball, and we are in a basketball course, so there, loser!" card, and they will be trapped, like I am! Oh, NO!!!!
lol.


I wouldn't have said it to a 'normal person', because if I knew they'd react the way you described, I'd know they wouldn't know of Stravinsky or what his music epitomized. And your obvious lack of that knowledge does not suprise me, which is probably partly attributed to how repetitive, boring, simple, and downright bad the music of your "culture" is. ;)

Bad analogy in your second paragraph: First, as you probably have ignored, this board is the extension of a game. One in which you can't compete with me in, thus you come here and start toejam. And as I will reiterate, if someone laughed at me for comparing a movie to a musical score, then I really think they are sadly shallow and uncouth. But then of course, I would procede to make them my squeak in the game, further proving that I'm better than them in not only musical knowledge, but games!

What a wonderful pitch you provided me with Anniemahl, thanks.


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Woah, how did Cit get in here?


How did a theoretical basketball court get in here? Dunno, but what I do know is that my Clitabria example is not only pertinent, but true.


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Yeap, and 75% of them made while making money in front of the computer, at work. Talk about efficiency. Oh, and I still see you hold a grudge against Vu for your misfire in trying to "educate" us with your musical expertise. That was a real horrorshow thread, best of all it brought out the classical music, signature and all for all to be reminded  


Oh my god, rolf. You are in cahoots with DejaVu now? I should have known, your whole style of confronting me is very derivative of his. The whole thing about playing games just for fun and not caring if you're good or not, and then trying to ameliorate that by bringing out the flames of my interest in classical music. Btw, just for your knowledge, since your imbecility seems to be pervading through your hands: Ansel Adams was not a musician, he was a photographer. And since I am one as well, I thought the quote was an interesting comparison...

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No, your in-game ability has nothing to do. If that were the case, Drex would be target #1. We like to pick on you because of the outrageously retarded crap you come up with, Kep.


Oh come now, I really, really, believe you are not this deaf.
Do you actually think if my abilities in AH were commensurate to yours, I would be this much of a product of contention? If you do, then it makes it even more clear that your abilities are a detriment to your ability to reason.

"How did Drex get in here?"

Damn you are bad, heh. I've never witnessed in a game so many unambiguous 'tards in my life... holy toejam.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: funkedup on June 10, 2002, 04:37:51 PM
Nath did you get beat up a lot in Junior High?
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: funkedup on June 10, 2002, 04:40:57 PM
Also check this out:  http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/22/215212.shtml

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U.S. Faces New Challenges, Including Acts of Aggression
Col. Stanislav Lunev
Thursday, Nov. 23, 2000
While we all are busy watching the Democrat candidate’s attempts to sabotage the results of the presidential election, potential adversaries of this country are increasing their anti-American activity.
With the help of the Clinton administration’s incompetence, they are trying to challenge and gain an advantage over the United States, sometimes in open acts of aggression against the American military.

For example, according to the Moscow press, Russian combat aircraft twice penetrated the air-defense system of the U.S. aircraft carrier battle group in the Sea of Japan and flew "a few feet over the upper deck" of the USS Kitty Hawk on Oct. 17 and Nov. 9.

It happened during regular naval exercises when the U.S. ships were under way to and from training areas in neutral waters.

As the Russian government-controlled TV channel ORT "proudly" announced on Nov. 15, on both these days Su-24R and escorting two Su-27 fighters from Russia’s 11th Air Force Army and Pacific Fleet overflew the Kitty Hawk battle group without recognition and interception. ORT also said that if this had been a combat mission, "the aircraft carrier’s destruction would have been guaranteed."

"The intelligence results of this mission are very impressive," ORT said. "Nothing could be more awesome. Our aircraft registered panic on board the Kitty Hawk, [whose] combat planes didn’t have a chance to take off in time for interception. Crew members of the Russian aircraft [have been given] the highest military awards."

According to the Russian media, "nothing like that has happened during the last 30 years, since a Soviet Tu-16 penetrated a U.S. aircraft carrier battle group in 1970. The extremely successful mission against the Kitty Hawk battle group was orchestrated by Russia’s military intelligence to see if its air force could fly undetected and penetrate the airspace of vital U.S. military locations, which were previously assumed to be invulnerable."

In reality, it was nothing but an open act of aggression against the U.S. military in neutral waters. Eight years ago the same act of aggression could have seriously influenced relations between Washington and Moscow, but the current U.S. administration and the mainstream press practically ignored this activity.

An interesting point: Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov in his interview with the ORT TV channel on Nov. 20 referred to this act of aggression as "normal relations in the current situation."
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Animal on June 10, 2002, 05:42:30 PM
Oh but its a perfect analogy Nath! you are stupid if you cant see that.
And how did Drex get in here? Well, you think you get prosecuted because you are impossibly good (and you arent) and I put Drex as an example of why you are wrong. He is better, he is liked, nothing wrong. He doesnt even try to stand out, like you do. Confident people dont need to remind others of how good they are.

Nath You remind me of a certain young jedi padawan. :)

Typical home schooled tardling. Completly out of touch with reality.

Assume what you like, your "culture" pales in comparison to what I grew up to appreciate and understand. Lets just leave it at that.

Its gonna be a sour adventure when you go face to face with the real world, Nath[BDP].  You want to be a NAVY fighter pilot if I remember correctly? LOL. Here are two words for You, wich you probably know the meaning but cant quite grasp, they both describe you perfectly, and they are quite a combination for disaster: arrogant and naive.

pretentiousness is just an amusing by-product.



k thx bye
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: SirLoin on June 10, 2002, 05:47:07 PM
Animal,beware the Jedi mind trick...:eek:
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Animal on June 10, 2002, 05:51:19 PM
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Animal,beware the Jedi mind trick...:eek:


Immune. That cheap trick only works against the weak-minded ;)
Its the genocidial light-saber rampage against my repetitive un-cultured people that I am afraid of.

But light sabers dont exist, and Natalie Portman is way off his league.. ;)
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: RRAM on June 10, 2002, 07:07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Sikboy


Those were Tu-22's that attacked the battlegroup, and I think the attack scene was lifted from "Red Storm Rising" where it was a combined attack using Decoys from Tu-16s as well as the Tu-22s firing AS4 Missiles. IIRC, in "Red Storm Rising" the CVBG that is attacked didn't have Aegis Support (this was in 1986 I think, just after the Bunker Hill as commissioned).  Despite the fact that in my heart I know better, at the time, my suspention of dissbelief was complete. That scene was completly sublime.

-Sikboy



in RSR's attack on the CVBG, there was one Aegis CG with the group. Problem was there were 150 missiles coming for the battlegroup and just 98 SAMs on the Cruiser's Magazines


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Originally posted by Animal
But light sabers dont exist, and Natalie Portman is way off his league..  ;)
 



Yep. She's only mine :D
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: SOB on June 10, 2002, 08:48:37 PM
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Originally posted by funkedup
Nath did you get beat up a lot in Junior High?


Leave the poor kid alone.  He's got enough problems to deal with already.


SOB
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Nath[BDP] on June 10, 2002, 09:24:46 PM
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Originally posted by Animal
Oh but its a perfect analogy Nath! you are stupid if you cant see that.
And how did Drex get in here? Well, you think you get prosecuted because you are impossibly good (and you arent) and I put Drex as an example of why you are wrong. He is better, he is liked, nothing wrong. He doesnt even try to stand out, like you do. Confident people dont need to remind others of how good they are.


No it's not a perfect analogy, since it doesn't really reinforce your position; as well as that it only reinforces mine by proving that the theoretical opponent is not worthy! :(

I get "prosecuted" because of some subconcious requirement for people in this community to somehow "get back at me" on the boards because of how I used to rub things in their face after I shot 'em down or something, it probably also has something to do with how old I was when I did that type of stuff. The predictable and overused "young punk" genre of flames against me is somewhat of an evident to abet this theory--everyone has egos, and they can be hurt, even in online games, for some.

Drex never really did things that would upset people, aside from shooting them down. So no, I don't expect he would be in line for retribution on the boards. Why are you now using the "AH skill poking tactic?" I thought that was against your "i only play for fun" creed.

Ali wasn't confident? Hmm... I remember them taking his blood pressure at a weigh in as he was talking more toejam than I could in 20 years(and they thought that he did it because of his nerves)--and his blood pressure was normal.

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Typical home schooled tardling. Completly out of touch with reality.


Here's an apt little aphorism for ya: The internet is nearly 60% my release, it's not nearly my reality.

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Assume what you like, your "culture" pales in comparison to what I grew up to appreciate and understand. Lets just leave it at that.


bongos?

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Its gonna be a sour adventure when you go face to face with the real world, Nath[BDP].  You want to be a NAVY fighter pilot if I remember correctly? LOL. Here are two words for You, wich you probably know the meaning but cant quite grasp, they both describe you perfectly, and they are quite a combination for disaster: arrogant and naive.


eek, the inevitable real-life attack has arrived! Assumptions, assumptions...

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pretentiousness is just an amusing by-product.

k thx bye


Funniest thing about this thread is that all I did was post a critique of two movies, and it somehow warranted a tirade paragraph about how my writing is bad. I don't know what it is, but I could care less about how someone else's writing came off to me across the internet.

But you were probably just trolling me, right?
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: AKSWulfe on June 10, 2002, 09:40:41 PM
Nath, you ever heard the term "quit to save face"?

This would be a time to give it a shot.
-SW
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Nath[BDP] on June 10, 2002, 09:58:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by funkedup
Nath did you get beat up a lot in Junior High?


Where's my 190 manual, liar?
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: GRUNHERZ on June 10, 2002, 10:29:34 PM
I know a guy just like Nath he even thinks he's black.... :)
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Hangtime on June 10, 2002, 10:37:50 PM
at this late stage in this thread (as in life), i have come to the unmistakable conclusion that the tactile rewards of producing a really good toejam is a significantly superior form of self gratification.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Fatty on June 10, 2002, 10:41:59 PM
Atta boy hang, get some movement into this thread.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Nath[BDP] on June 10, 2002, 10:58:42 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I know a guy just like Nath he even thinks he's black.... :)


Ah yes... and by that reasoning, I know a person in real life just like you, who even thinks he's a Nazi Luftwaffe pilot.
Title: Bombs
Post by: rogwar on June 10, 2002, 11:22:31 PM
All this hijacking of this thread related to Sum of All Fears....shame on you guys!

Anyway, I have been a Clancy fan from the beginning. I did not really like the way they changed the movie around from the book. I also did not like the way the portrayed Mr. Clark. The attack on the CVG was bogus as well...referencing an earlier post on the Hawkeye and Aegis....with those bombers getting that close or even getting within striking distance given that DEFCON level. How about the Tomcats that would have been patrolling with their Pheonix missles. Oh well Hollywood.

One thing I did like was the bomb. In real life there are no digital readouts counting down time to detonation.

On a general note though gents. Prepare yourselves for the future. Someones going to cook off a nuke somewhere in the
immediate future....within the next ten years I believe. The technology, will, and capability is just proliferating too much.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Kieran on June 11, 2002, 12:31:40 AM
Nath-

Just curious, and you don't have to answer, but do you really believe being good in a game makes you right in a discussion, or that one has any connection whatsoever with the other?

Isn't that like saying that, since in all likelihood I could kick your a** in real life should we ever meet, (and this is NOT a threat, I am not a violent person in any way) I am right?

You may be right about some people wanting to take jabs at you out of some malice, but doesn't that seem like such a broad sweeping generalization? And can it be that you really are unaware of the blatant arrogance with which you occasionally post? Not that you deserved any attack in this thread, you just offered an opinion. Still, your explanation for why the community reacts to you as they do has me scratching my head...

Yup, you were younger when you started, and you did things beyond just talking trash. I don't think much on that anymore, because you have matured in my opinion. And, if you want to use words you know for a fact more than half the AH population won't understand, that's fine by me, I'll look up the ones I don't know if I need to, you aren't doing any harm. You should however be aware you apparently harbor as much ill will toward some here as you feel from them.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: AKDejaVu on June 11, 2002, 08:59:52 AM
Ah... leave nath alone.  He's aquired all this new classical music knowledge that he's so eager to show off.  Eventually he'll learn about something called "context".

AKDejaVu
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Creamo on June 11, 2002, 09:44:20 AM
Context?

Certainly you meant “Milieu” Dega.

Stravinsky, the apprentice to Rimsky-Korsakov, was the traditionalist, whose Symphony in E-flat  ( not to be confused with SOB’s corndog movement in B flat, sometimes refered in classical circles as simply “The Flurrrblap of the BUTTerfly) had the spirit, if not the very flesh, of the music of the Russian Nationalist school.

Your use of such meager and uninspired words Dega, do show clarity, simplicity, lucidity and moving to contrapuntal writing and serialism like Stravinsky’s music did in the neo-classical period.

But please use “The Enfant Terrible” stage, which evolved under the magnetising influence of Diaghilev. It’s of course beginning with The Fire-Bird and right through Petrouchka, The Rite of Spring, The Song of the Nightingale and Les Noces.

Most noticable by complicated rhythms, dissonanc, polytonality and severe melodies and thesaurus usage.

Sheesh.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Hangtime on June 11, 2002, 09:58:31 AM
ROFL!

You go, Creamo!

May I contribute?

unnnnngh... unh   unh... unnnnngh!

*furrrrblap*  *splash*

ahhhh... another masterpiece. life is sweet.

especially knowin there's always more to come.

...metaphoricly speaking, of course.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: AKDejaVu on June 11, 2002, 10:22:15 AM
ROTFLMAO! Good one Creamo.

Just one question... You've heard SOB's corndog movement in B-flat (I've also heard it refered to as "load de corndog")?  You guys really should get a door on the FDB HQ bathroom (assuming that is what he was using at the time).

AKDegaWho
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Makarov1 on June 11, 2002, 10:43:39 AM
I think Morgan Freemans most powerful work was when he was in
The Electric Company (http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davechad/ec.html) .

(http://fox-hunters.com/Images/morgan.jpg)
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: funkedup on June 11, 2002, 12:33:44 PM
Hehehe touché Nath!
I blame Verm.  :D
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Ripsnort on June 11, 2002, 12:47:55 PM
Ahhhh, the arrogance of the young...walks stiffly, believing in righteousness, believing himself "invincible", believing himself to be superior in everything he does...and then walks right out into the path of a 50 mph bus....splat.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Nath[BDP] on June 11, 2002, 12:57:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Creamo
Context?

Certainly you meant “Milieu” Dega.

Stravinsky, the apprentice to Rimsky-Korsakov, was the traditionalist, whose Symphony in E-flat  ( not to be confused with SOB’s corndog movement in B flat, sometimes refered in classical circles as simply “The Flurrrblap of the BUTTerfly) had the spirit, if not the very flesh, of the music of the Russian Nationalist school.

Your use of such meager and uninspired words Dega, do show clarity, simplicity, lucidity and moving to contrapuntal writing and serialism like Stravinsky’s music did in the neo-classical period.

But please use “The Enfant Terrible” stage, which evolved under the magnetising influence of Diaghilev. It’s of course beginning with The Fire-Bird and right through Petrouchka, The Rite of Spring, The Song of the Nightingale and Les Noces.

Most noticable by complicated rhythms, dissonanc, polytonality and severe melodies and thesaurus usage.

Sheesh.


rolf... I liked the Corndog movement part, but the rest permeated lack of clairty, simplicity, and lucidity. Not to mention incorrect usage of musical terms, and false information.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Nath[BDP] on June 11, 2002, 01:02:45 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ahhhh, the arrogance of the young...walks stiffly, believing in righteousness, believing himself "invincible", believing himself to be superior in everything he does...and then walks right out into the path of a 50 mph bus....splat.


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Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: funkedup on June 11, 2002, 01:58:56 PM
BTW I'll take that as a "Yes".
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: funkedup on June 11, 2002, 02:00:45 PM
"your imbecility seems to be pervading through your hands"

Hmmm at first I thought Nath had been replaced by Jesse Jackson.  Now I think it's Don KIng.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: funkedup on June 11, 2002, 02:01:35 PM
Does the Corndog Movement include the stick?  I understand SOB inhales them occasionally.
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: Nath[BDP] on June 11, 2002, 04:05:38 PM
:confused: :eek: :cool: :rolleyes: :mad: :p :D :) :(
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: SOB on June 11, 2002, 11:31:56 PM
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Just one question... You've heard SOB's corndog movement in B-flat (I've also heard it refered to as "load de corndog")?  You guys really should get a door on the FDB HQ bathroom (assuming that is what he was using at the time).


We were doing an experiment, recording the different notes I could hit after eating different kinds of corn dogs.

All beef were found to produce the lowest tones, while the Chili and the Jalepeno & Cheese varieties of the turkey corn dogs provided the broadest range.  The Pizza variety of the turkey corn dogs caused unpredictable (and catostophic) results, and unfortunately no real data could be obtained.

Next up - Quicky Mart Burritos:
Bean
Bean & Cheese
BBQ Beef

Should be a facinating experiment, and as productive as a conversation (or argument) with 'lil Nathy


SOB
Title: WOW! Sum of All Fears after-movie review
Post by: SOB on June 11, 2002, 11:33:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by funkedup
Does the Corndog Movement include the stick?  I understand SOB inhales them occasionally.


Of course, but shortly thereafter, I mail these off to be re-used for corn dogs around the country.  If you're wondering why, look no further than the bellybutton penny!


SOB