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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lasse on June 10, 2002, 03:42:37 PM
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I had several flights with a Lancaster today.
So, on my 3rd or 4th flight I get lots of pings while on runway, fuel leak and elevator gone almost before I started rolling.
I managed to stop the plane before liftoff.
This was at a friendly field, 100% up, no cons on radar, and several friendly planes lifting off.
No one saw any con attacking me.
I replane and take a new lancaster, just after takeoff, I get pinged again, lots of pings, taking out 2 of my fuels, for the next 5 min I get a lots of pings, without anyone seeing anything that could be a possible enemy.
Even a squadmate joins me in the flight with a C47, when we fly wingtip to wingtip I still get hit a lot, even get a pilot wounded.
While my squadmate still see no con.
This ghost plane pinged me for about 15 min in 3 flights, and doing alot of harm.
The ping sounded like .303 or smaller ammo (if there is such in here)
What might it have been?
On my 4 tour it was gone, and never came back.
(Perhaps that Exorsism my squadmate held, drowe the poltergeist away;))
The Wild Vikings
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Commanding Officer
Lasse
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Seems to be a problem growing worse. Apparantly it's an exploitable bug with users who have one of the Linksys units.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54992
and a few more topics like that in the "internet connectivity" forumn
Westy
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Originally posted by K West
Seems to be a problem growing worse. Apparantly it's an exploitable bug with users who have one of the Linksys units.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54992
and a few more topics like that in the "internet connectivity" forumn
Westy
This isn't just Linksys routers. It happens to me as well, the ghost state that is, and I am on a cable modem, road runner. This is the strangest thing. No net status, no icons, just dots and still get text messages and vox but no one can see me. I can tell when it's about to happen when my sounds start getting screwy.
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I have been in the "ghost" stage, and I can't speak for others but in my case, I never saw a plane, only dots. Yes ground targets are visible and you are able to hit them, and you can still be hit by gun emplacements, but never saw any planes or other ground vehicles.
Now reading this again I am assuming that the Spitfire I engaged about two weeks ago in the CT knew I was there when I shot him down., cause I saw him, after that I saw no more targets, just dots, even though I was watching text in the buffer that indicated there were several friendlies and enemies in my same area over the same field.
Once I got the port numbers from HTC support, everything was fine.
I don't think its possible to shoot down anybody while you are in this "ghost" stage, but it maybe possible to fire in the general direction and possibly hit someone even though you can't see them.
I have posted in those threads one way to fix this problem, there are probably other ways also.
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I've seen it. I really doubt it's a cheat. I think there's many things to consider, but a direct cheat is almost out of the question. As long as there are online games, there will be code savy dipnods trying to cheat, however I seriously doubt they would last as long as THIS particular incidence has been going on in AH. It's gotta be Internt/lag/linksys firmware etc etc lol. I've only been in AH for about a year and a half. When I first came on board, I heard bout some crap where P51's were seen bombing fields with hundreds of bombs.... HTC immediately fixed it. Bravo... I think thats the SOP for HTC.
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I call it the Inviso plane syndrome, last night I made my plane go inviso by accident and emailed Pyro this morning with the details. I also have screen shots if they want them but I have not heard anything back as of yet. I didn't want to post it on the bug board for fear that this would get way out of hand. I really enjoy this game as is but something like this needs to be fixed asap.
You can shoot someone down while invisible and yes I can do it on purpose so I'd call this a cheat. Though it may be specific to my OS and video card combo.
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Happened to me today also. Several people witnessed my 262 being shot to pieces by something while I was tailing a typhoon on the deck.
I took one similar ping already earlier which took out one of the cannons, then a few moments later I dove on the running tiffy, chased him for a while and when I caught him finally, something pinged my engine and tail off. 4 friendlies behind me and they didn't see any other enemies except the tiffy I was chasing.
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Sounds getting screwy? Maybe it's not a problem of the router but a problem of the driver for the network card you use to connect to the router? i remember a game that kept crashing on some certain situations with some old drivers. If sounds get screwy that might be caused by some broken network data received from the driver of the network card? is it a realtek maybe?
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I have had this happen a couple times, in H2H, before I started my subscription. I am on a 56k sportster modem. Now, I film everything, but it hasn't happened to me in several weeks. I still could never make it happen intentionally.
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This explains a lot of what I'm not seeing in the arenas lately. I've seen troops magicaly appear outa thin air more than once and have gotten killed by ghosts at an increasing rate too. Hopefully HTC can do something about this and soon because it seems that more and more people are figuring out how to use this bug.
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Isn't a Sportster modem just a winmodem?
I believe it might be.
I've never seen this problem- on 56K dial-up using a ZooM ISA.
You guys checked to see if IRQs are being shared between your modem/NIC and sound or something else?
It sounds like an internal system burp... something external to HTC.
-SW
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I already researched the IRQ and memory range settings. Not even close. My SMC nic is using IRQ11 where my Sound Blaster Live (latest drivers) is using IRQ 5. There is a large seperation in the memory and I/O ranges.
My cable modem is a SurfBoard from Motorola.
Like others here, I don't see aircraft either, just dots.
ccvi, good call. I'll check that. Although I'm not using a realtek, the symptoms are exactly as you describe in your diagnosis. My sound card drivers are updated but not sure at this time about the NIC drivers.
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Yech. It is a winmodem. Soon to be DSL, but for now it's stock winmodem. I haven't seen the problem frequently, and I sure don't know how to cause it to happen. I do know that I'm not sharing IRQ's. I payed close attention to that. I hope an answer comes sooner or later, but for now, with me, it doesn't affect the game much. I still have fun.
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On my end I am connected to DSL line, and I dont have any Linksys router.
Rock solid connection all night, and no warps whatsoever.
But if I understand this right, the problem is on the other end( the bogey), not mine ?
The hit pattern could indicate that it was someone spraying away, sometimes one or two pings, 15 sec later 50 hits, then just a couple again.
This sounds logical if he only saw a dot, and not my actual plane, so he had to guess where it was.
Just guessing here :)
The Wild Vikings
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Commanding Officer
Lasse
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Yep, has happened to me also.
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"But if I understand this right, the problem is on the other end( the bogey), not mine ?"
Yes. Any person who is using a Linksys BEFSR41 can do this if they choose to or even by accident. And it seem some folks (Apache for one) without one have had it accidentally occur also.
Westy
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happened to me as well.
hit sounds, then the wing falls off.... and all this while a squadmate was watching and assured me there was not bandits around.
Bozon
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You know we can sit here and guess at whats going on or we can try and test this to see what is happening.
You guys that are saying you are being shot down by "ghosts" do you have film? (gawd never thought I would say that)
Only reason I ask is a few days ago I was flying along in my A8 about 17,000. I look around a lot, so much that I'm probably going to wear out my hat switch. Anyway zooming along looking for badguys, when ping, ping, boom. Never saw a plane, never got a kill message. Weird. Well I just happen to be running film.
Next day reviewed my film to see just where I got killed from,...a very high P47 that I missed above me, dropped down behind me and blam, I'm dead. And the Kill Message? it was there, just between all the text channels about 10 messages hit the text buffer at the same time and I was so startled when I got hit I never saw the kill message flash by.
Although I'm not discounting anyone's observations I would suggest filming your time online. I run film almost everynight and I'm online usually about 2-3 hours everynight. Later I can review it or delete it, but at least I have something in case I see something weird.
Another thing, if you want to complain about fine, but if your interested in finding out what is going on I suggest a few of us get together in the Training Arena at some point in the future and test this. I believe it would not be to diffcult to recreate the "ghosting" because I had the problem and fixed so for the purpose of testing I can reverse my fix. Then we can see (or not see) just exactly what someone can and can't do while in the "packet limbo"
AirScrew
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Has happened to me at least once a day for the last 3 weeks.
We had a similar stigma in Air Warrior. In some maps it depended on where you were and how many were there. The was actually place on the ETO Campaign map, close to france, where I could predict where a plane would disappear, sorta like the Burmuda Triangle.
I also had a problem with it on a different map running the Midway event. On this map it tended to be a radar or visible icon count thing. There was a setting in the code that set how many icons you can view. I *think* the default setting was 40. if there were more then 40 icons in your site some of them would be invisable.
I have NO idea how these terrains are made or what the coding looks like but it is my guess that it's in the terrain and NOT a connection problem. In AW the only people who could change this were those with CM powers.
It could also be Bug Abuse, but more then likely a bug period. I hardly doubt that many people would be cheating and no one else ever hear of the trick. It's like being a bank robber, you always have to tell someone of your findings.
Connection>?? could be wrong but my guess is no.
Animal
Originally posted by lasse
I had several flights with a Lancaster today.
So, on my 3rd or 4th flight I get lots of pings while on runway, fuel leak and elevator gone almost before I started rolling.
I managed to stop the plane before liftoff.
This was at a friendly field, 100% up, no cons on radar, and several friendly planes lifting off.
No one saw any con attacking me.
I replane and take a new lancaster, just after takeoff, I get pinged again, lots of pings, taking out 2 of my fuels, for the next 5 min I get a lots of pings, without anyone seeing anything that could be a possible enemy.
Even a squadmate joins me in the flight with a C47, when we fly wingtip to wingtip I still get hit a lot, even get a pilot wounded.
While my squadmate still see no con.
This ghost plane pinged me for about 15 min in 3 flights, and doing alot of harm.
The ping sounded like .303 or smaller ammo (if there is such in here)
What might it have been?
On my 4 tour it was gone, and never came back.
(Perhaps that Exorsism my squadmate held, drowe the poltergeist away;))
The Wild Vikings
(http://www.lasse.as/twv.gif)
Commanding Officer
Lasse
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we caught somebody doing this have about 8 films of it form different pilots of the same instnace. They were exploiting it for a base capture. HTC knows about it.
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Add me to the list. Hanging in my chute at 12k. There was nothing around.
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Could this explain my 26's and 17's spontaneously combusting lately?
I know in th TOD I NEVER saw any NME planes. Just my flight blowing up all around me. I was soon to follow.
But lately, I've noticed, (And I posted on this) that my Buffs pop like balloons, where they used to be quite durable. (Last tour for example).
Last night, for example, I was flying a 17 and got jumped by a 51. I swear this guy fired one burst of cannon fire and I was back in the tower! No A/C breakup. No crashing to earth. Just dead.
Same thing happened while I was driving a panzer. My guess on that one was a lucky bomb hit, though.
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I filmed something really weird just now. A con with the icon " G-S " take a look at it in this film. Is it lag,my pc going screwy,or the problem creating the ghost plane? Here's the link to it.. sorry film is a bit large but the con shows up instantly.
http://www.innercite.com/~sunking/G-S%20con.zip
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As I understand it, G-S is a gunner who has bailed. (Usually can only se them when they bail.)
Edit: I looked at your film and I have no explanation for why you would see one doing that. Did your friend see it? Maybe it was a problem with your system being updated, saw the gunner but not the bomber?