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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on June 11, 2002, 12:36:14 PM
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Be sure to teach your dog to be politically correct.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,55010,00.html
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What a crappy police dog. He should at least be suspended without pay.
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Wow.. way for politicians to step in and totally cloud the issues.
I'm curious as to how many times this dog has bitten bystanders.... seems that problem should be adressed above all else. Race has nothing to do with it.
AKDejaVu
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I always thought dogs were color blind :)
"The owner of the Tom Brenneman School for Canines near Lawrence, Kan., has trained more than 600 dogs for police departments nationwide. He said dogs determine targets by scent alone and see only gray and white."
Dog is probably a dam Republican too :)
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Dude, that dog should be deported back to Germainia or where ever the hell he's from. there's no room in this country for Euro-dogs like that. :mad:
He probably stole that job from a perfectly capable american dog (like a german-american Shepard) even though the American dog had better scores in obedience school. This just makes me sick
-Sikboy:mad:
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My brother used to own a springer spaniel that racially profiled.
My gawd did that dog ever hate Mexicans. Just no way to explain it. :D
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That kid shouldnt be doing drugs then ;)
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Oh for cryin' out loud! 'should be put to sleep'? Screw that handsomehunk! Why is everyone in such a rush to kill dogs?
:mad: :mad: :mad:
This is the kind of crap that makes me like you dirty right-wingers. ;)
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In most states privately owned dogs are put down after they bite their 2nd person (in some cases even if the biting where justified) or the 1st bite in the injury is bad enough.
If this dog has 6 reports of unnecessary biting in one year then at least some of them are likely true, and when you add the case of the boy the need to destroy the dog seems clear. To me the race of the victims is irrelevant. Sounds like just another case of a cop getting away with something the rest of us wouldn't, only in this case the cops a dog.
Btw I've owned, trained and sold dogs most of my life and as far as racial issues and dogs, most of them just pick up on the attitudes of their owners. If you become nervous or distrustful when someone of a certain race comes along odds are your dog will learn to hate them or see them as a cause of trouble.
Just like kids- they're learning even when you don't know you're teaching
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lets see here.
officer is struggling with suspect.
dog is unleashed (screw that roadkill about it being an accident release)
dog runs out, ignores his handlers struggle, and goes bite a kid who just happens to be there.
the racial thing is stupid, but i still think the dog should be retired. he is not effective, cant do his job, and is a hazzard.
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I am opposed to the death penalty, even for right wing bigots like that Euro-Trash dog. I think he should get life in the pound with no chance of parole.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
My brother used to own a springer spaniel that racially profiled.
My gawd did that dog ever hate Mexicans. Just no way to explain it. :D
Sandman, that's instinctive. Mexicans raised Springer Spaniels for years as Fiesta Dogs, so your brother's dog is justified in hating Mexicans.
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Originally posted by Animal
lets see here.
officer is struggling with suspect.
dog is unleashed (screw that roadkill about it being an accident release)
dog runs out, ignores his handlers struggle, and goes bite a kid who just happens to be there.
the racial thing is stupid, but i still think the dog should be retired. he is not effective, cant do his job, and is a hazzard.
As long as you don't mean 'killed' when you say 'retired', I would tend to agree, if the dog has a history. It pisses me off to no end that they would train agressiveness into the dog, and then kill it because taking care of it and being responsible for it is inconvenient.
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Originally posted by Kratzer
As long as you don't mean 'killed' when you say 'retired', I would tend to agree, if the dog has a history. It pisses me off to no end that they would train agressiveness into the dog, and then kill it because taking care of it and being responsible for it is inconvenient.
I don't know for sure... but I've heard that policy with all police dogs is that retirement = destroyed.
AKDejaVu
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maybe the dog was hungry and wanted to try something different :)
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Everyday thousands of peaceful stray dogs get terminated at pounds, I dont see why this aggressive one shouldnt be retired.
DESTROY THE STUPID DOG AND GET A NEW ONE!!!!
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Send it to South Korea for a pregame World Cup tailgate.
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Beacuse before he made the mistake of biting a child, he probably helped to put away violent criminals and helped to keep his Officers life safe in the line of duty.
If we're going to mess with animals and put them into human jobs and put them at risk, then I believe we shouldn't then regard them as worthless when they screw up and throw them away like garbage.
He should be pulled from duty and given to a home of retired policeman or someone who understands his background and doesn't have any children.
DmdKanth
Originally posted by Animal
Everyday thousands of peaceful stray dogs get terminated at pounds, I dont see why this aggressive one shouldnt be retired.
DESTROY THE STUPID DOG AND GET A NEW ONE!!!!
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In zulu or moscow ?
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"Councilwoman Dixon told the city council she has received six complaints about Dolpho in the past year. Three of the people who complained were involved with drugs. Three others were blacks who believe the dog jumped at or attacked them because of their race."
"Officer Barger, who has worked with Dolpho for more than two years and takes the dog home with him at night, said the dog has never gone after the wrong person before. He said Dolpho became confused during a tense situation."
Six complaints, but none of the incidents involved the dog going after the wrong person (according to the cop).
They should review the dog's actual record, and see what happened with the other six incidences. I can't imagine they were all found to be valid, otherwise why would the dog still be around? I think councilwoman Wanda Jones Dixon knows less than toejam about anything and is very simply, an idiot.
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB
"Councilwoman Dixon told the city council she has received six complaints about Dolpho in the past year. Three of the people who complained were involved with drugs. Three others were blacks who believe the dog jumped at or attacked them because of their race."
"Officer Barger, who has worked with Dolpho for more than two years and takes the dog home with him at night, said the dog has never gone after the wrong person before. He said Dolpho became confused during a tense situation."
Six complaints, but none of the incidents involved the dog going after the wrong person (according to the cop).
They should review the dog's actual record, and see what happened with the other six incidences. I can't imagine they were all found to be valid, otherwise why would the dog still be around? I think councilwoman Wanda Jones Dixon knows less than toejam about anything and is very simply, an idiot.
SOB
All that investigation and crap will cost too much, when they can just simply 'terminate' the dog and get a new one. A black one, so there is no whinning from the black criminal comunity.
They could name him Blacky, in honor of the victims of that cruel ruffian dog, Dolpho.
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I withdraw my previous statement. I think Animal's idea is a winner!
SOB
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Whats with the 'Euro trash' roadkill?:mad:
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Police Dogs are generally trained in only 1 or 2 skills. There are Attack, Drug and Bomb Dogs. Attack dogs generally dont mix with drugs or bombs. Drug and bomb dogs can multiskill.
Police Dogs in particular Attack dogs, dont differentiate. They go for the threat or in this case, anyone at all in the immediate vicinity thats moving and the dogs percieves to be a threat.
Many a Police officer can testify to having a chunk taking out of their own backsides when involved in a barney with a suspect. The dog doesnt care who it is. Only the handler is generally safe.
Most Police officers will freeze when the hounds are loose. Civvies like the young boy mentioned may have been waving his arms, crying hysterically etc. Enough movement to set the dog off.
Like anyone else. The dogs have their good and bad days. No Police Force that im aware of trains dogs in human discrimination, meaning, they dont care what colour race or religon you are.
Sh*t happens.
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Civvies like the young boy mentioned may have been waving his arms, crying hysterically etc. Enough movement to set the dog off.
not a crime in most states. if you can't control your dog, leash it. it's the rules the rest of us follow and the cop should too.
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not a crime in most states. if you can't control your dog, leash it. it's the rules the rest of us follow and the cop should too.
Forgive me, but bleeding heart liberal views do not impede upon the need for these animals. Why throw a human into the blood ring when a fleet 4 footer with gnashing teeth will do a much more effective job.
If you want to scream about innocents being hurt, why not campaign against the Criminal element instead of asserting your armchair views upon those who do face these threats.
These dogs (Attack trained) are used in riot control. We use them in crowds at Public events. We use them for drunken brawls, chasing suspects, etc etc. If they were only brought out when there was a kilometre clear radius of the innocent civilian population, they would never be brought out. Its simply an unacceptable proposition for law enforcement.
I dont believe the dog was accidentally released either. Its a poor handler who allows that to happen. Civil litigation may be brought against the department. Depends on the legislation at the incident.
No matter how hard you try, you cannot control an animal 100%, no more than you can control a human being.
The dogs are dangerous, fierce and terrifying. Thats what their supposed to be.
Police Dog handlers when recruited are often Officers with a young family and perhaps 1 other dog tho none is prefered. This allows the dog to understand interaction with human beings so it is not brought up to be a killer or mindless automaton that attacks at will.
Like I stated earlier. Dogs may mistakes. The initial point of the thread was that some idiot was trying to make the point of a Police Dog allegedly making the distinction between racial heritage. This is plain and simply...false. No Police dog in US, Australia or Britain is trained for that. At least not officially.
Can it be done?
Yes. I think it can.
Will it be done to a Police dog in either of those countries?
No.
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...councilwoman Wanda Jones Dixon said Dolpho can also tell the difference between blacks and whites, and should be put to sleep...
Oh, s@#t! So can I...
miko
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Originally posted by Mushkin1uk
Whats with the 'Euro trash' roadkill?:mad:
It means that Europeans are Trash. I guess they're stupid too, eh? :p ;)
SOB
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Originally posted by miko2d
...councilwoman Wanda Jones Dixon said Dolpho can also tell the difference between blacks and whites, and should be put to sleep...
Oh, s@#t! So can I...
miko
ROFL.
And about the Euro-Trash stuff... Well the dog was from Europe, and I just really wanted to say "German-American Shepard" We like Hyphenated-Americans. And we like to project ourselves on our pets (pet pyschics, pet psychologists, PetCo (where the pets go ect) It was funny.
-Sikboy
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Don't know about you but if the cops were wrestling with a criminal, my small child and I wouldn't draw up a chair and watch. I think I'd head to the nearest doorway and get the heck out of the way. Don't think the story presents all the facts, slanted to the AA victim side
I still side with the dog & its handler....
on the radio this morning someone making a case for the victim describe how dogs in Vietnam can/did know the diff in race as they liked American GI's while showed distrust/dislike towards the native Vietmanese (sp?)
What the story didn't splain, was the GI's fed the dogs while the locals ate them :)
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Is the dog named after Galland?
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Originally posted by scspook
Sh*t happens.
I'm sure you would say the same thing if it was your kid that was bitten.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I'm sure you would say the same thing if it was your kid that was bitten.
At no time, did I attempt to callously state as you so valiently attempt to direct the above, towards a feeling of apathy for the state of the child.
Under no circumstances, would I ever want to see any child hurt. I've seen enough battered and hurt children in my lifetime thanks very much.
It doesnt change the facts tho does it. If the dogs loose, doing its job and your in the wrong place at the wrong time, accidently or on purpose, doing the wrong thing, then sh*t happens
If I was the handler (and im not a dog handler) or at the scene myself and I witnessed the dog attacking a child. I would have emptied my Glock 19 into the dog until the threat to the child was null and void, Police dog or not. However, I wasnt there and no doubt there is more to this story than is being told by the Politician or I see here.
No doubt, those Cops had their hands full with the Crim as they would not have stood by and allowed the child to be attacked either.
So leave the emotion out of it and......"stick with the facts ma'am".
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Scspook,
Problem is that thrawn and several others on this board like him work best with no facts. They only get in the way of their emotional outbursts.
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Well, I'm amazed at all you right wing conservatives who have never given a rat's bellybutton about the welfare of animals in the past who are suddenly so concerned over the welfare of a dog who just so happens to bite African Americans exclusively.
You could damn sure bet that if Dolpho attacked white people exclusively Eagler, miko and sespool would be screaming for the dog's head. I guess that as long as only minority people are attacked you guys are OK with it.
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Originally posted by scspook
At no time, did I attempt to callously state as you so valiently attempt to direct the above, towards a feeling of apathy for the state of the child.
Under no circumstances, would I ever want to see any child hurt. I've seen enough battered and hurt children in my lifetime thanks very much.
It doesnt change the facts tho does it. If the dogs loose, doing its job and your in the wrong place at the wrong time, accidently or on purpose, doing the wrong thing, then sh*t happens
If I was the handler (and im not a dog handler) or at the scene myself and I witnessed the dog attacking a child. I would have emptied my Glock 19 into the dog until the threat to the child was null and void, Police dog or not. However, I wasnt there and no doubt there is more to this story than is being told by the Politician or I see here.
No doubt, those Cops had their hands full with the Crim as they would not have stood by and allowed the child to be attacked either.
So leave the emotion out of it and......"stick with the facts ma'am".
No offence, but 'emptying' one's gun into a dog that is attacking and near innocent bystanders might not be the best thing to do. Might actually hit and kill the victim or other bystanders. I wonder if the police officer had a clear shot at the dog only to make a clear shot with out risk to others. Your point of killing the dog outright to protect the child is well taken though.
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Well, I'm amazed at all you right wing conservatives who have never given a rat's bellybutton about the welfare of animals in the past who are suddenly so concerned over the welfare of a dog who just so happens to bite African Americans exclusively.
You could damn sure bet that if Dolpho attacked white people exclusively Eagler, miko and sespool would be screaming for the dog's head. I guess that as long as only minority people are attacked you guys are OK with it.
Elfenwolf at what he does best
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Whats with the 'Euro trash' roadkill?
We dont really think of England. as part of Europe. They are set apart by water, culture, and possession of a back bone.
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Originally posted by easymo
Whats with the 'Euro trash' roadkill?
We dont really think of England. as part of Europe. They are set apart by water, culture, and possession of a back bone.
LOL
damn European mollusks!
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I just kinda caught the tail end of this thread, but as far as civilian police dogs, I think they all should be put to pasture.
I worked many a years around these dogs both civilain and military working dogs while I was a cop. The military dogs are taught a totally different system than civilian dogs. You run, dog chases you down but if you stop and freeze dog will take guard stance on you. I only met one problem dog during my years of working with them in the AF.
Civilian dogs are not trained that way, their trained to bite and out of the last 50 catches I performed, NONE, of the dogs disengaged after repeated calls by their handlers. 8 of those dogs disregarded me and went for another officer that was off to the side. Until they change the way their dogs are taught, I think ALL civilian working dogs should be taken off the streets.
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Well, I'm amazed at all you right wing conservatives who have never given a rat's bellybutton about the welfare of animals in the past who are suddenly so concerned over the welfare of a dog who just so happens to bite African Americans exclusively.
You could damn sure bet that if Dolpho attacked white people exclusively Eagler, miko and sespool would be screaming for the dog's head. I guess that as long as only minority people are attacked you guys are OK with it.
LOL, everyone knows white meat is to dry without gravy :)