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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: texace on June 12, 2002, 12:42:16 PM
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Hmm...I see now exactly where my generation is going. My generation is going striaght into the toilet, and taking societly with them.
I don't get it. Where did we go wrong? Where did teenagers become so...shall we say...screwed up? Everyone I talk to that's my age have done drugs, do them, drink, smoke, screw around, all because it's the cool thing to do.
Cool...there's a word that seems to run everyone's lives nowadays. If it ain't cool, it ain't in. Teenagers are obsessed with the "cool" things that they don't seem to see their lives are going to the toejamter.
Alright, I admit, I am not your "normal" American teenager. Yeah, I'm 17, but I differ so much from everyone else that it don't seem normal. Think, I actually LIKE history...I stay away from drugs...I do things that adults do, as I like doing them.
And yet this makes me "un-cool" and looked down upon from people my age. I'm a nerd, and am treated as such. I myself never wanted to get into the "in" crowd, as I found it to be constraining and boring. I never wanted to deface my body and mind just being "cool", and I don't intend to.
So, we see that the American teenager is slowly showing the downgrade of our society. Kids are experimenting younger and younger, and I'm worried. Well, not really, but just nervous. Or future "leaders" are drugged-up nancy boys who are more interested in finding the next cool thing than getting their toejam together.
I'm looking at this from my own standpoint, and frankly I find it all absurd. What is there left for any of us to do if our "future leaders" are like tihs? Or do I stand alone?
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Always Remember:
the "cool" ppl usually end up working for the "nerds" :)
After high school for many, college the rest ... most usually grow up fast faced with the day to day struggle just to make ends meet. "Cool" goes right out the window ...
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Don't worry, a few of those drugged-up nancy boys will find god-fearing women who will make them change their evil ways. Heck, one of them might even end up President of the United States.
:)
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hey popeye , don't talk about bill clinton that way, he was "the greatest president the USA every had"
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Texace,
I know exactly what ya mean. I'm 17 as well and in the same position. The biggest difference between us and "them" is that we take in the whole scene for what it's worth, we see the big picture. Most of them are wrapped up in their own small, miniscule worlds in which the only thing that matters is themselves. You can only get so far with that. Most of them are too wrapped up in their little clicques and other non-important things. They're more concerned with getting wasted this weekend, who they're going to get high with, and who they're going to bang. Seriously... in a small suburb with a high school of about 900 students.. (I'm not surprised anymore) I know maybe 20+ girls who've already had one or more abortions. You can't "convert" them... its their own choice to be ignorant, hypocritical, and selfish. They'll learn the hard way. I also know of some who are completely capable of being like us and deliberately choose that path just because they're too afraid to think for themselves. Its sad.
However, the entire age group is not lost. Take us for example... you'll meet more dudes like yourself and I and find you're not alone. They are, however, few and far between. I can find them easily on the internet because its only minds talking to one another. (of course it's still possible to hide behind an ego on the i-net as well.)
I have a good friend in my community that lives a few blocks away. We think so alike its scary :). If it weren't for him, I would have probably been sucked into all that BS you described. I like to think that we're getting a head start on being decent intellectuals. When you meet someone like yourself, you can just tell. I stick around after school some times and shoot the toejam with teachers, coaches, or whoever and I hear them say or imply when they see other degenerates... "Look, its your future employees." I laugh. Its depressing.. but true. Think about it.. If you have a kid at age 16, your life is pretty much over. That responsibility right there will take up 99% of your time. Its extremely difficult to do something you've dreamed of when you're that young and have a baby on your hands. I have friends that have been in jail, I have friends that have their own kid(s), I have friends that are on the right track... its a huge mix.
Most teens can't begin to comprehend the things me and my close buddies discuss. Its just too far over their head and its normal for us. Normal conversations in the O'club would baffle 75% of the students at my school. Another difference between us and 'them' would be that we want to learn... not simply "get through school and be out of this hell-hole." My friends and I buy books on physics, calculus, philosophy, etc because we WANT to learn. I know for a fact that I'll be successfull in the years to come. I have a good work ethic, have a good head on my shoulders, and I know a damn well I won't fail. I have my life already planned out.
My advice to you is to continue doing what you're doing. Help others out on your journey if they need it. If not, dont waste your time on them and the other degenerates. They'll eventually learn the hard way.
oct out.
[EDIT: Punctuation and stuff... oops. After reading this over I cant believe I wrote that much :D And please dont think I'm putting myself up on a pedestal. I may be blunt, but thats the way it is.
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I guess it's all in your perspective. I didn't smoke until I was 18(weed that is.... alchohol is a drug, so if you don't include alchohol as a drug, I won't include weed as a drug).. I didn't do drugs until I was in college... but not because it was "cool"... because of the experience.
Sure, maybe some people out there do it cuz it's "cool" or whatever... some people do it just because they want to.
I guess it's all in the way you see it, if you don't do it then you think people who do it are doing it cuz you think they think their cool while they might be doing it for some other reason.
Of course the funny thing is- you think it's any different than in the '60s? Hell, back then drugs WERE the thing to do... now most people (atleast that I know) do it out of choice, not to be part of the in-crowd. But then again, I am 21.
-SW
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Originally posted by Eagler
Always Remember:
the "cool" ppl usually end up working for the "nerds" :)
After high school for many, college the rest ... most usually grow up fast faced with the day to day struggle just to make ends meet. "Cool" goes right out the window ...
Spot on!
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texace,
The maturity in your post convinces me our future is in very capable hands. Thank you for not bowing to peer pressure by getting involved with drugs! You seem to have your head on straight and I'm sure there's many others your age who are just as concerned for the future as you are. My daughter is 17, and she also is planning her college and her life in a positive and healthy way. Don't worry, every generation has slackers.
Hold on to your values, be the very best person you can, give 100% at everything you do and your potential is limitless. Like Eagler said, some day the slackers will be working for you. Thank you for reafirming my belief that our future is in good hands and there's many teenagers just like you who will someday be this Nation's leaders. <>
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Originally posted by texace
I don't get it. Where did we go wrong? Where did teenagers become so...shall we say...screwed up? Everyone I talk to tha
I'm looking at this from my own standpoint, and frankly I find it all absurd. What is there left for any of us to do if our "future leaders" are like tihs? Or do I stand alone?
One more thing.
I don't think these future leaders are going down the drain at all. If we have people like you and I that can see the big picture, pick out the hypocrisies and faults of other generations, then we'll alright. We know what NOT to do. I'm confident not all is lost Texace :). No matter how low a generation can go, there will always be some that are going above and beyond and will outshine the lowest of the low.
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The funny thing is that I read the posts of Texace and Octavius and they are not much different than the same concerns we had twenty years ago.
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Very true Sandman, very true indeed.
Incidently, Oct, Semperfi, and BlueiceJ are all under 18 and fly for VMF-323. I have to say that I'm proud to have such fine, well behaved gentlemen on my squadron. Its a pleasure knowing that these men are of the future leaders somewhere in whatever industry they choose.
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Man, Oct..you're right...you and me are alike in severl ways...kinda scary... :D
But seriously...the way I post and write is the way I am. I think there is no need to hide behind an alias. Everything I ever said on this board, in game, or in my writings is stright from my mind.
There's another thing I've seen as well. People hide behind things, just becuase they know they can. It's an annoying thought, but it' true.
But there's also the matter of where you grow up. In my high school of no more than 550 students, I can guarentee that at least 3/4 of them are not virgins...have smoked weed...have drank, and the like. I can also guarentee that at least 1/2 of the women there have had abortions or are pregnant. In this one school year alone I knew of 5 cases of a girl leaving becuase she's pregnant, and that's just the first semester.
I know that what I said generalizes a little, but it isn't that far from the truth. There are few like Oct and I, but they're out there. Hell I've had 5 cases of serious mental problems someone asked me to help them with, one my best friend and another my own girlfriend. People like oct and I are the kind that will end up excelling.
I have yet to see anyone that acts their own age or acts their own way at my high school. No one there is nearly as civil and caring as my brother and I. We are the "super nerds" of Lake Worth High School, as we're part of the very few who give a damn.
But it is nice to see others out there who are the same way...perhaps there's room for improvment after all...
BYW, thanks, Oct... ;) :D
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It's nice to stay away from big trouble....but you don't want to end up with an bellybutton as tight as Bill Bennett's.
"Moderation in all things....including moderation."
:)
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cc Popeye, the guys in high school/college who didn't experience things usually end up being the guy who no one likes working with/for.
-SW
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We are wolfs and there are very few of us.
They are sheep, and there are many of them.
Sometimes we dress up like sheep and hang around with them.
But we all ways go back to being our self, wolfs.
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Well, wolfs is actually wolves. And if you believe that those "types" of people texace listed above are sheep and nothing more, I got news for you... it's the government that feeds you this stuff about someone being underage because someone else decided that for you. What was the average life expectancy just a hundred years ago? 60 something? 50 something? Many were parents at the age of 14-18, and married.
So who's really the sheep, the one who decides what they want to do, or the one who lets someone else decide for them?
-SW
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Thanks for correcting my spelling. Are you trying to argue about age limit?
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Hey, Tex; don't get yer nads in an uproar yet.
Consider what the parents of my generation thought when faced with our transgressions against society. In a lotta ways, we made the current crop of teenage proclivities seem tame.
You generations challenges ain't all that that much different than the ones mine faced, the one after mine faced, and the one's yours will face.
You'll do ok. I have faith.
I also have drugs.
hmmmmm.
(eyeballs 'faith'. eyeballs 'drugs', selects one from each catagory)
ahem. Now, what were we talking about??
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Originally posted by Russian
Thanks for correcting my spelling. Are you trying to argue about age limit?
Age limit? For what? Drinking? My goodness no.... I mean, the average 16 year old can coherse a bum into getting him alchohol. It ain't hard.
I'm just arguing that people will do whatever the government tells them. If the government says it's wrong, then it's gotta be wrong- despite some of these things that are wrong are actually legal in other parts of the world while one of the things held most dear in the US- alchohol- will get you shot on the spot in certain countries. (mostly countries in the mid-east because, as I understand it, Islam supports marijuana while it strongly rejects alchohol)
Some laws are simply silly, but most people believe they are "the only way" because the government says so.... of course at the same time they make these things more accessible to children.
Kind of silly, doncha think? Drugs are illegal in the states (most I believe should be, while one shouldn't be(marijuana)... and another one isn't(alchohol), well several aren't.. they are known as OTC drugs... and another one comes in cigarettes, nicotine)... this in turn means that adults- who would be the target of drug sales- aren't exposed to the scene while a much more susceptible and receptive audience are- children.
You ever heard the saying, "hook 'em while their young"? Exactly what's going on here. So next time you go "rah rah" for what penalties the government places on drug use, or for those rediculous anti-drug commercials- just remember... those penalties mean that the pushers are gonna push on the children who will openly accept it because... well, they're kids!
But, since the government tells you it's bad... well it's gotta be bad. Despite the fact that the government is made up of people who have done/tried all sorts of drugs, and probably had premiscuous(sp?) sex... but they come on the radio, or promote programs to encourage you otherwise.
Hypocrisy- it's the name of the game the government plays.
-SW
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The funny thing is that I read the posts of Texace and Octavius and they are not much different than the same concerns we had twenty years ago.
True, except that the "cool" kids in high schools didn't drive kids who didn't fit in to start shooting up schools twenty years ago.
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I'm not so sure, Curval.
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Curval, at what point of "abuse" from your peers do you decide to get all kinds of weapons and go to school with the intent to kill?
Instead, I'm pretty sure these kids had something else wrong.. up stairs... if you know what I mean.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
But then again, I am 21.
-SW
explains alot :rolleyes:
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I'm sure Eagler, did I mention I work for the Fed Gov?
-SW
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Heritic.
;)
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Every generation has the "going down the toilet" speech around it. Hell my mom and the kids of the 60-70's was more wacked out than most kids I see today by far. You can always find examples to support that but like I said, every generation has the same non-sense leveled against it.
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AKSWulfe-
Age limit? For what? Drinking? My goodness no.... I mean, the average 16 year old can coherse a bum into getting him alchohol. It ain't hard.
So if its easy to do, should it be legal?
I'm just arguing that people will do whatever the government tells them. If the government says it's wrong, then it's gotta be wrong- despite some of these things that are wrong are actually legal in other parts of the world while one of the things held most dear in the US- alchohol- will get you shot on the spot in certain countries. (mostly countries in the mid-east because, as I understand it, Islam supports marijuana while it strongly rejects alchohol)
And because some one jumps off the bride, you follow? Why should government follow some 3rd world country that can barley make enough money for food?
Some laws are simply silly, but most people believe they are "the only way" because the government says so....
To you it might be stupid, but there might be a reason for that law that you are unaware off. If you are unhappy there are proper channels that you can use to ratify or delete laws
of course at the same time they make these things more accessible to children.
Laws make it easier to buy drugs? I disagree.
Kind of silly, doncha think?
No :)
Drugs are illegal in the states (most I believe should be, while one shouldn't be(marijuana)...
There are programs that can fix your addictions :)
and another one isn't(alchohol), well several aren't..
Since when alcohol became drug?
they are known as OTC drugs...
What is OTC?
and another one comes in cigarettes, nicotine)
Cigarette boxes have clearly written on them that its hazard to consumers’ health. If consumer chooses to smoke, enjoy long and painful death.
... this in turn means that adults- who would be the target of drug sales- aren't exposed to the scene while a much more susceptible and receptive audience are- children.
That’s why we have laws
You ever heard the saying, "hook 'em while their young"? Exactly what's going on here. So next time you go "rah rah" for what penalties the government places on drug use, or for those rediculous anti-drug commercials- just remember... those penalties mean that the pushers are gonna push on the children who will openly accept it because... well, they're kids!
Children are minor audience, they can’t afford to buy this stuff daily wail adults can participate whenever they feel need to. If American schools would educate “kids”, they would become wolves ;) and would be able to think for them selves
But, since the government tells you it's bad... well it's gotta be bad. Despite the fact that the government is made up of people who have done/tried all sorts of drugs, and probably had premiscuous(sp?) sex... but they come on the radio, or promote programs to encourage you otherwise.
Hypocrisy- it's the name of the game the government plays.
If you want your government to lead by example, vote for person that is not hypocritical.
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Hey Texace
I’m sorry, I disagree. They just need a frog hair of seasoning. Hell, you wouldn’t believe how some of the lowest common denominators turned out for the good. (My class of 1977)
I believe that today’s young people are more in tune with current events.
I believe that today’s young people are willing to take risks to protect our way of life.
I believe that today’s young people, when rallied with a cause, can be the next “Greatest Generation”!
Sure, the news is full of reports of the lowest common denominator, does that make it right? Hell NO! People were whining about the younger generation for hundreds of years. Look at some of stories of Shakespeare! Same old squeak, different century. My thoughts are that good kids aren’t news worthy.
I look around and see some great kids. Please don’t let the bad ones blind you.
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Russian, let me begin with- you just stepped into a world of hurt.
Originally posted by Russian
AKSWulfe-
So if its easy to do, should it be legal?
Should what be legal? Buying underage? No... I started off with stating that the legal age to drink was just fine. Buying underage, if you are caught- should be prosecuted according to the law. However, what do you think you will be more likely to get off of- drinking underage or in possession of marijuana? Both are illegal- but one will guarantee you some problems with the law, the other(depending on the cop) won't. Guess which one.
And because some one jumps off the bride, you follow? Why should government follow some 3rd world country that can barley make enough money for food?
Well, barley is what they make beer from... and a bride is a wife.. but you wanna know why marijuana is illegal? Then continue reading...
To you it might be stupid, but there might be a reason for that law that you are unaware off. If you are unhappy there are proper channels that you can use to ratify or delete laws
Oh no, you see... Marijuana is illegal based upon lies and misinformation of the '30s during which time illegal immigrants were a big problem and that's how they were making there money. One of the common commercials/informercials of the '30s was that you would beat your parent (in the commercial- a mom) unconscious to get your fix. A little bulltoejam? Oh yes.
Laws make it easier to buy drugs? I disagree.
No, LAWS do not make it easier to buy drugs- but by making CERTAIN laws this means that adults will be less receptible while children (unaware of laws, and generally more receptible to influencial things) will willing buy into certain things. Why do you think telemarketers target younger audiences????
There are programs that can fix your addictions :)
Addiction requires both a mental and physical addiction. Which means you NEED that drug to get through. There is no such thing as an addiction to marijuana.
Since when alcohol became drug?
Alchohol has always been a drug- everything you buy from aspirin to androtestorone is a drug. You may wanna read up on this stuff. Here ya go, and I quote: "President Reagan issued Executive Order12564 in September of 1986, which required all federal agencies to develop programs and policies to achieve a drug-free federal workplace, required an agreed-upon definition for drugs. Because of the political climate at that time, drugs actually meant illicit drugs. In 1988 the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) “Mandatory Guidelines for Federal Workplace Drug Testing Programs” limited the drugs that are to be tested for to the following used illicit drug classes: marijuana, opiates (heroin, morphine), cocaine, amphetamine and methamphetamine, and phencyclidine.
Hmmmmm... a "agreed upon definition"... but that isn't the REAL definition of drugs.
What is OTC?
Over The Counter.
Cigarette boxes have clearly written on them that its hazard to consumers’ health. If consumer chooses to smoke, enjoy long and painful death.
Yes, they sure do... and your point is? Do they have this on alchohol? This destroys brain cells, your liver, your SKIN and your kidneys... you ever paid attention to WHAT alchohol does to you?
That’s why we have laws
Yes, and some laws have been changed- that's the point of laws. If they are bogus, they can be changed.
If you want your government to lead by example, vote for person that is not hypocritical.
I would, but let me know when one of those fellas steps forth.
-SW
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Tex & Oct,
As a teenager, I never gave in to the drug, alcohol and tobacco "peer pressure" either (and I still haven't at age 37). I knew it was a bad road to go down. Many (OK most) of my friends experimented with substances. I watched many of my old friends practically ruin their lives, becoming alcoholics and druggies, mixing with worse and worse people in order to maintain access to drugs, or eventually getting into serious trouble with the law. Others "got over it" and realized what was happening, gave up on drugs/alcohol. I think almost everyone eventually regrets getting hooked on tobacco, drugs or alcohol. I can relate to you. I never regretted not trying these things. Not for a second.
You are making the right choice!
And there are plenty more like you.
Choose your friends wisely.
They are so important at your age, and they will introduce you to more and more friends who also share your morals.
Your caution about sex is also wise. Unlike drugs, sex isn't something that you want to avoid your entire life, but you guys are 100% right at recognizing how quickly it can mess up or even end your life. Just remember, you've got nothing to prove. As tempting as it is, there is no reason to rush, and no reason to take great risks. And don't worry about being a nerd as far as girls go. Somewhere out-there, there is a perfect nerd-girl made just for you. Just be patient. Even a dork/nerd like myself was able to find a soul-mate.
As far as where your generation is going...
I think it will be fine. In every generation there are those who make good choices, and poor ones. The foolish always have the numbers. And very often, the ones who make poor choices in their youth, eventually wise up. The very bottom end of your generation, however, is more messed up than any generation that I have studied. But there is so much more to your generation than them, isn't there?
I have met plenty of kids from your generation that I admire. Hang in there guys.
eskimo
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Should what be legal? Buying underage? No... I started off with stating that the legal age to drink was just fine. Buying underage, if you are caught- should be prosecuted according to the law. However, what do you think you will be more likely to get off of- drinking underage or in possession of marijuana? Both are illegal- but one will guarantee you some problems with the law, the other(depending on the cop) won't. Guess which one.
I’m not aware that cops are not doing their job in civilian world, I’m sure that this is not true. Not all bland are stupid
Well, barley is what they make beer from... and a bride is a wife.. but you wanna know why marijuana is illegal? Then continue reading...
English is not my primary language, if you’d like I can show you’re mistakes, there are plenty of them.
Oh no, you see... Marijuana is illegal based upon lies and misinformation of the '30s during which time illegal immigrants were a big problem and that's how they were making there money. One of the common commercials/informercials of the '30s was that you would beat your parent (in the commercial- a mom) unconscious to get your fix. A little bulltoejam? Oh yes.
Did you read that study or this is “he said she said”
No, LAWS do not make it easier to buy drugs- but by making CERTAIN laws this means that adults will be less receptible while children (unaware of laws, and generally more receptible to influencial things) will willing buy into certain things. Why do you think telemarketers target younger audiences????
Commercial are running 24/7 about drugs, commercial tell that they are illegal. School teaches kids that they are illegal. What part they are unaware? Educate youth and they will think for them self.
Addiction requires both a mental and physical addiction. Which means you NEED that drug to get through. There is no such thing as an addiction to marijuana.
That was a joke…
Alchohol has always been a drug- everything you buy from aspirin to androtestorone is a drug. You may wanna read up on this stuff. Here ya go, and I quote: "President Reagan issued Executive Order12564 in September of 1986, which required all federal agencies to develop programs and policies to achieve a drug-free federal workplace, required an agreed-upon definition for drugs. Because of the political climate at that time, drugs actually meant illicit drugs. In 1988 the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) “Mandatory Guidelines for Federal Workplace Drug Testing Programs” limited the drugs that are to be tested for to the following used illicit drug classes: marijuana, opiates (heroin, morphine), cocaine, amphetamine and methamphetamine, and phencyclidine.
Hmmmmm... a "agreed upon definition"... but that isn't the REAL definition of drugs.
I see… that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, that seems to be just generic term. What are you basing your dislike on? I personally don’t like alcohol but if person can drink responsible, why not let them
Yes, they sure do... and your point is? Do they have this on alchohol? This destroys brain cells, your liver, your SKIN and your kidneys... you ever paid attention to WHAT alchohol does to you?
Well, no…I choose not to drink. But information is out and it is public knowledge. It’s just time before alcohol companies will have to publish risk on battles.
Yes, and some laws have been changed- that's the point of laws. If they are bogus, they can be changed.
Agreed
I would, but let me know when one of those fellas steps forth.
LOL
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Not everyone that does drugs is a bad person or a loser. The assumption is simply flawed.
So is the assumption that not doing drugs is the sign of a naive social misfit.
I've seen no correlation between drug use/abstenance and decency.
I do know this... getting busted as a youth or young adult for drugs can close alot of doors quite quickly. I don't expect teens to understand the impact of that... I know I didn't when I was a teen... but I have greatly understated it.
Its simply amazing how many doors you can open or close as a teen making simple decisions that most teens simply are not ready to make.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Tex & Oct,
As a teenager, I never gave in to the drug, alcohol and tobacco "peer pressure" either (and I still haven't at age 37). I knew it was a bad road to go down. Many (OK most) of my friends experimented with substances. I watched many of my old friends practically ruin their lives, becoming alcoholics and druggies, mixing with worse and worse people in order to maintain access to drugs, or eventually getting into serious trouble with the law. Others "got over it" and realized what was happening, gave up on drugs/alcohol. I think almost everyone eventually regrets getting hooked on tobacco, drugs or alcohol. I can relate to you. I never regretted not trying these things. Not for a second.
eskimo
There's a third category. Those that used, didn't get hooked and still continue to use... all the while being active, productive members of society and even parents.
No question. Drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, whatever can be dangerous, but they aren't necessarily the road to ruin.
That said, DJV is spot on regarding the closed doors. If you're young and hellbent to experiment, stick to alcohol and nicotine. Unless you develop a problem or have some sort of criminal incident, doors simply don't close for drink and smoke. It's socially acceptable.
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Originally posted by texace
I have yet to see anyone that acts their own age or acts their own way at my high school. No one there is nearly as civil and caring as my brother and I. We are the "super nerds" of Lake Worth High School, as we're part of the very few who give a damn.
Hehehe... now ya dont have to call yourself THAT :-D I'm in a different world when I want to be myself. People like us come in all different shapes n sizes. I'm not a geek 100% of the time. I tend to be more on the athletic side. A cap'n on the football team, swimmer, track (pole vaulting), and baseball. I have a busy schedule all year. Then, on the other side, I also like to be a geek. I dabble in the fantasy-RPG games, flight sims such as Aces High, and many other activities such as lucid dreaming, yoga, chakra excersizes and the like. I try to experience as much as I can just for the sake of experiencing it. I dont try to become everyone's friend because that is fairly impossible IMO :) If I don't like someone damnit I'll let them know! I dont hold back :D All in all.. I try to be a well-rounded person. So far, I think i'm succeeding.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Incidently, Oct, Semperfi, and BlueiceJ are all under 18 and fly for VMF-323.
I thought it was a violation of Ripsnort's parole to have contact with minors over the internet.
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texace your whole concern has existed forever. you are simply uptight and dont realize that people change as they gain experience.
the people who act because they want to be cool, well, they will pay for that.
as for screwing chicks, drinking, experimenting, just for the sake of being cool? whoever does this, is seriously screwed up.
i screw chicks because it feels amazingly good[/b]
i drink because it can help me relax and have fun in situations i would otherwise be bored. this may be a character flaw, but who cares? it works.
i experimented with drugs because i was curious. didnt like any of them, no harm done, my body and mind are more healthy than the average person my age.
as for marijuana, i'm with swulfe on this one. i smoke about once every two months, usually alone when i'm getting into some interesting science book or being creative musically. it helps in that i can think clearly from a different perspective. strangely, instead of turning into a rambling idiot, marijuana has a different effect on me. it helps me focus on certain things that i would never be able to do sober.
i guess this is something i can do without drugs with a certain ammount of discipline, but i'm working on it. meanwhile, being curious about it helped me explore parts of my mind and my spirit that would have probably gone unnoticed.
texace, stop seeing the world in black and white. not everyone around you is as you think. when you get to college, you will understand things more clearly and your views on the world and your generation will change. hopefully, you will be proud.
because honestly, aside from the usual rotten apples, i am proud to be part of a generation that grew up in freedom, and took it for granted in such a way that we dont have to live in fear of acting as someone imposes. and for that reason, we have endless capability. wonderful things will happen when my generation is finally handed control of things :)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
There's a third category. Those that used, didn't get hooked and still continue to use... all the while being active, productive members of society and even parents.
No question. Drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, whatever can be dangerous, but they aren't necessarily the road to ruin.
That said, DJV is spot on regarding the closed doors. If you're young and hellbent to experiment, stick to alcohol and nicotine. Unless you develop a problem or have some sort of criminal incident, doors simply don't close for drink and smoke. It's socially acceptable.
Sandman, if you honestly believe this, then please answer these questions:
1. As a kid, how do you know which road you will eventually go down; jail, death, addiction, addiction recovery, quitting early or those who as you describe end up as happily adjusted drug users?
2. How many folks (or what %) actually end up in that last category?
3. How much does drugs or alcohol actually enhance your (or anyone's) life?
4. How much do you (or anyone) spend on drugs and/or alcohol? Please add all related costs; wrecked cars, DUIs, rehab, etc.
5. Is it worth it? Do you want your kids taking drugs, considering all that can go wrong?
6. If you feel that you are one of the lucky ones who ended up as a happily adjusted drug user, how do you really know that you wouldn't have been better off with-out them?
7. Does being an active drug user make you a better parent?
8. Are you glad you got started with drugs/alcohol in the first place?
Thanks,
eskimo
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
I'm sure Eagler, did I mention I work for the Fed Gov?
-SW
No, but who cares .. :)
I do give you and the other youngins on this board credit for having a stand (even if some are wrong :)) and arguing for it. When I was of your age, I was more concerned with paying the light bill. clothing our 2 year old son & wondering when I'd get a weekend off so I could hit the beach, than who was doing what in our government.
So to you for being involved but lets see if what you think/stand for today doesn't change in 20+ years :)
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Let me preface all my statements with this. Alcohol is a drug and so are cigarettes.
Originally posted by eskimo2
Sandman, if you honestly believe this, then please answer these questions:
1. As a kid, how do you know which road you will eventually go down; jail, death, addiction, addiction recovery, quitting early or those who as you describe end up as happily adjusted drug users?
Easy one. As a kid, you don't. Like I said... Alcohol, drugs, etc can be perilous.
2. How many folks (or what %) actually end up in that last category?
No stats. It's a fine fuzzy line between use and abuse. The abusers end up as statistics. The rest are all around you, working, raising their families and acting responsibly.
3. How much does drugs or alcohol actually enhance your (or anyone's) life?
Little more than a Coca Cola. I drink tequila because I like the taste of it, not because I want to be snot slingin' drunk.
4. How much do you (or anyone) spend on drugs and/or alcohol? Please add all related costs; wrecked cars, DUIs, rehab, etc.
Easy one... roughly $30-50 per month. No related costs (EVER). Again, there's a difference between use and abuse.
5. Is it worth it? Do you want your kids taking drugs, considering all that can go wrong?
Ah... the parent angle. :) No, I don't want my kids taking drugs. Like I said before, it's perilous. Do I think they will anyway? It's just a matter of time.
6. If you feel that you are one of the lucky ones who ended up as a happily adjusted drug user, how do you really know that you wouldn't have been better off with-out them?
Ah... do I feel pangs of regret? No.
7. Does being an active drug user make you a better parent?
Love this one... loaded question. Does it make me a better parent? No. Does it make be a worse parent? No again.
8. Are you glad you got started with drugs/alcohol in the first place?
It's not significant enough to worry about.
Thanks,
eskimo [/B]
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Pikers, puppies and donutheads.
I smoke because the oreo's taste better.
I drink because the women look better.
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I’m not aware that cops are not doing their job in civilian world, I’m sure that this is not true. Not all bland are stupid
I said depending on the cop- many will be more lenient with alchohol consumption/possession underage.
English is not my primary language, if you’d like I can show you’re mistakes, there are plenty of them.
Go ahead, I'm not stopping you.
Did you read that study or this is “he said she said”
What study? I saw the commercials, I have done extensive research. What I say is based on what I have learned.
Commercial are running 24/7 about drugs, commercial tell that they are illegal. School teaches kids that they are illegal. What part they are unaware? Educate youth and they will think for them self.
Drugs are illegal, yes- ILLICIT drugs are. However alchohol isn't, neither is aspirin. Both are drugs. They aren't unaware of anything, but instead they are trying to influence the youth based on laws- not on actual facts. They use scare tactics in those commercials. And the youth does go out and learn for themselves- the average college kid binges(and purges as a result), and/or has done or does do drugs. These are based on statistics. Kids that weren't exposed to this before hand, especially, and are easily influenced end up being that kid on the 10 O'clock news you hear about overdosing and dying or almost dying. They are the poster child for the anti-drug cause. Which is a good thing, but you can't overdose on marijuana while you can on alchohol... and that will result in death.
Addiction requires both a mental and physical addiction. Which means you NEED that drug to get through. There is no such thing as an addiction to marijuana.
That was a joke…
Really? You just saying that, or have YOU done any research on this? My guess based on this statement is no. Arguing with you is futile if you don't even care to go and educate yourself. There are mental and physical addictions. Physical means you NEED the drug. Mental means your mind is telling you need it. You can't get addicted to marijuana because it doesn't have the properties of drugs to enforce an addiction.
I see… that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, that seems to be just generic term. What are you basing your dislike on? I personally don’t like alcohol but if person can drink responsible, why not let them
Drugs is a generic term because of what the government has done. in the medical world, drugs are- well everything ranging from over the counter prescriptions to illicit drugs. But I don't expect you to know this, because you haven't done any research.
Well, no…I choose not to drink. But information is out and it is public knowledge. It’s just time before alcohol companies will have to publish risk on battles.
So basically you are telling me with this, that people can willingly kill themselves with alchohol. But if they want to do it with, say marijuana (which only destroys the lungs)- then woh! we just stepped into a whole new realm.... because you've been fed this since you moved into this country. (I assume, since english isn't your first language)
Eagler- good for you- you had a kid when you were my age. I don't plan on having kids until I'm well out of college. So is it my fault I don't have the same burdens you had? Or is it that I know where I'm going and have control of my life to the point that certain laws concern me? Or do I have to serve in the armed forces, have a kid at 19, and be out on my own struggling to make it to have an opinion.. and for it to be "right" in your opinion?
Eagler, fact is, you don't know me or what hardships I've gone through. Sure, I may not be out on my own... but I ain't got that much longer, and everything I own, and my schooling, I pay for.
I have concerns now at 21 about marijuana being legalized because when I am 40, I *DO* want it to be legalized. It's no more dangerous than alchohol- which is my point. And it's only illegal because of misinformation and lies.
I may not meet YOUR definition of being responsible, but you'd probably change your opinion if you knew me in the real world. The legalization of marijuana came to me when I was 18, and I've been arguing it ever since and using my schooling to further my knowledge of this subject. I've done several papers for classes regarding this.
I am concerned with what's going on in the government because it will be my world long after yours has ended (sorry to sound mean, if I am, but that's the way it is)... so I want to get the government's stance on one issue changed, so that when I am your age I don't have to sit here and wonder "when".
EDIT: Eagler, I just re-read this and it reads pretty bad. It sounds condescending and confrontational- this is not what I intended. I apologize before hand, but I don't know how to re-word to get the same effect. I'm just saying, if you knew me in the real world and gave it an honest chance of listening/understanding what I have to say- I just might be able to change your opinion of both me and my views. I am not the typical poster child for marijuana/drugs.. I don't act like a burnout, don't talk like a burnout, and you wouldn't know I smoked up unless I told you. I'm actually a productive member of society. ;)
-SW
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SW
I was more like you at your age than I can admit to ...
That is my point. There is a reason we can't see the future, it'd scare the hell outa most of us..
THere is hope for you yet :)
I'd just close by saying I wouldn't slam a 16, 17 year old who is wondering "what the heck", I'd encourage him to fight the right fight and let all the judgemental crud go. It all evens out in the end, karma is good at that
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I didn't have time to read all the replies, so if someone has already said this,........ here's a repeat.........
What's wrong with this country?!?!?! They have made it illegal to disipline your child. If you spank you child, not beat, but spank your child, you can get arrested! what kind of crap is that?!?!?! when I was a kid, and did something bad, I got spanked........ ya know what, I DIDN'T DO IT AGAIN!
I could go on for days about this, but I'll sum it up like this.......
Love your child, disipline your child, respect your child and give him room to grow, and they will grow up to be a responable adult.
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Eagler, I am not slamming texace.. or anyone.. who does not do drugs, do not partake in sexual intercourse, or anything that may potentially screw up their future.
I would NEVER say "Hey man, give it a shot... it's cool, what have you got to lose?" That's just straight up wrong. If someone I meet doesn't smoke I don't go "well screw you", it's their choice and they can do what they want. I'll just go "that's cool man".. I have a "straightedge" (that's what they call people who don't do any drugs- licit or illicit) friend I hang out with a lot. I joke around with her and go "Hey! You wanna beer? You KNOW you want one!" But she knows I'm just kidding.
I was just trying to say that some people out there who do the things that texace doesn't want to do aren't all like "well man, if you don't do it- you ain't cool!" most people I know don't really give a pitooy about what someone does or does not do, it's their choice and we aren't gonna exclude 'em just because.
I'll say this much, those people who are like texace should stay that way- eventually you may try it (well the sex thing is guaranteed at some point ;-) but if you don't, no biggie. Most people who are normal don't pressure anyone into doing anything. May joke around with 'em, but it ain't like they're losers (in those other peoples opinion) to them.
Not trying to imply texace or anyone like him should give into peer pressure, or aren't cool- they'd be cool with me no matter what. Just don't fingerblast the chick I'm with and don't try to fight me, I ain't got no problems. :)
I was a little offended though that he generalized people and put people like me into categories based on what he was thinking without actually finding out from them or someone else who maybe drug users or people who have sex at younger ages what the real deal was.
Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who thinks that you aren't cool for not having sex or for not doing drugs ain't worth your time in the first place.
S! Eagler, see ya in the virtual skies.
-SW
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Don't not do stuff just because it's "cool". You can pursue higher goals but alot of pleasure (in my life) comes from just hanging out and doing stuff and talking toejam with my friends. I think social skills are very important and you do not know what you are missing untill you go out get drunk as a skunk with your mates, dance like a lunatic untill 4am, throw eggs at a policeman and escape over rooftops etc etc.
Do stuff man you're only young once and i am making the most of it. When you're 40 and you look back it won't at that time you played AH (although it's enjoyable).
I'm doing alright despite having a good (childish) time.
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At my school I am not persicuted because I make strate A's on my report card or because I listen to boch or Vivaldy( I think i spelled there names right). It's because I do not let the idiots copy my essays, homework and projects. Though it does feel good to be fought over when our class plays "history jepardy"( know I knoe thats not spelled right). The weird thing about my social status at school is all my friends are junior military historians or punk/gothic people. :D They may be weird but if you need help in a fight or sumthin :D the're there. but im with ya man. High school gonna be tough though.
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superpug1,
If you really want to impress the nerds, learn the difference between, "there", "their", and "they're". The chicks will really dig you, but remember....just say "no".
:)
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sounds like they have piled it thick and deep. I started off a nice republican eagle scout. joined the service lived with the dogs killed some nice folks and realized how full of toejam they were . you will to if you just keep learning and watching. make your own damned decisions or your just a slave to dogma.
sorry kid the worm will turn for you also. you will be better off for it.
towd
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Teenagers are supposed to be screwed up!. It's the only time in life where you can get away with it!.
Daff
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AKSWulfe, To me, you are a criminal. You do not follow laws and you support criminal activities. You can’t justify insubordination with laws. If you don’t like that law, gohere (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3375 )
Until smoking marijuana is legal, go here (http://www.marijuana-anonymous.org/ )
I still don’t know how you went from this
“We are wolfs and there are very few of us.
They are sheep, and there are many of them.
Sometimes we dress up like sheep and hang around with them.
But we all ways go back to being our self, wolfs.”
To this
“Drugs are illegal, yes- ILLICIT drugs are. However alchohol isn't, neither is aspirin. Both are drugs. They aren't unaware of anything, but instead they are trying to influence the youth based on laws- not on actual facts. They use scare tactics in those commercials. And the youth does go out and learn for themselves- the average college kid binges(and purges as a result), and/or has done or does do drugs. These are based on statistics. Kids that weren't exposed to this before hand, especially, and are easily influenced end up being that kid on the 10 O'clock news you hear about overdosing and dying or almost dying. They are the poster child for the anti-drug cause. Which is a good thing, but you can't overdose on marijuana while you can on alchohol... and that will result in death.”
And alcohol have only one “h”, not two.
;)
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i smoke weed.
i drink alcohol.
im not even close to being a bum.
my favorite things to do are: hunt/fish/jam to music.
if smoking and drinking make me a bad person...then so be it.
if you dont like me...thats fine...i have plenty of friends.
IMO it takes a lot more than just hittin a joint or having a drink to make a person "bad"
if you hold it against somebody and say that they're a bad person and dont like a somebody because they do things that you dont agree with, i think that makes YOU a bad person.
my take on the subject...to each his own. if i dont want to do it i'll tell ya. keep an open mind. and mind your own.
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PJ you missed the point. Nobody said that makes someone "bad." No need to go on the defense right off the bat... unless you read something you saw in yourself?
Most teens don't think for themselves. They follow the crowd no matter how much of a unique individual they think they are. They're afraid.. afraid to be themselves. Eventually, the crowd to follow becomes blurred and they all turn into lemmings. Every ill-thought out decision adds to the whole and it eventually hits new lows. Now there's no one leading anyone. They're all sheep!
I get highs from being successfull and staying on top of things.
Dont put yourself in a special category now that ya smoke and drink. No, it doesn't make you a "bad" person at all. Your choices and decisions reflect your poor judgement and decision making. Those artificial highs don't get you anywhere. Can you put this on your resume? Perhaps, although I don't see a job that will offer you much of a future with this on your record.
Now you go have yourself a great time with your fellow sheep friends and enjoy accomplishing nothing.
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rooooooooolllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllll anudder one.
..just... like da udder one.
you been hangin ontuit...
... and I shore would like ah hit.
dont.... bogart... that joint, my friend;
passssss it ovah to me......
rooooooooolllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllll anudder one........
;)
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Parent's and parenting... thats where things are going wrong.
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AKSWulfe, To me, you are a criminal. You do not follow laws and you support criminal activities. You can’t justify insubordination with laws. If you don’t like that law, gohere (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3375 )
Have you ever gotten a speeding ticket? Have you ever jaywalked? Have you ever run a red light?
But of course, you must be one of those model citizens that can freely pass judgement on someone else because they are so perfect.
I still don’t know how you went from this
“We are wolfs and there are very few of us.
They are sheep, and there are many of them.
Sometimes we dress up like sheep and hang around with them.
But we all ways go back to being our self, wolfs.”
To this
“Drugs are illegal, yes- ILLICIT drugs are. However alchohol isn't, neither is aspirin. Both are drugs. They aren't unaware of anything, but instead they are trying to influence the youth based on laws- not on actual facts. They use scare tactics in those commercials. And the youth does go out and learn for themselves- the average college kid binges(and purges as a result), and/or has done or does do drugs. These are based on statistics. Kids that weren't exposed to this before hand, especially, and are easily influenced end up being that kid on the 10 O'clock news you hear about overdosing and dying or almost dying. They are the poster child for the anti-drug cause. Which is a good thing, but you can't overdose on marijuana while you can on alchohol... and that will result in death.”
You asked me something about age limit, and I went on to clarify what I was talking about. So you ask a question and when I give a response to clarify what I was talking about- you don't understand how I got there? Hmmmmm.....
And alcohol have only one “h”, not two.
;)
Yes, it does.. I always goof up on that one. But if that's the best ya can do....
And Oct... boy, if that wasn't the biggest bunch of horse manure I've ever read. Poor decision making would not be having fun in life. For some of us, that means getting drunk with our friends... or having sex... or smoking a joint. Ooooo bad decision because you might.. well... hmm... MIGHT get caught. But then again, if you're smart... you never will. You think you can't be successful and stay on top of things just because you occasionally get high? Or occasionally drink? or even.. (shakes head)... have sex?
I don't know about you all, but I get everything done I need to before I start drinking, before I get high, or before I have sex. I guess it's all in how you percieve it, if you've never done it before- then you are ignorant to the whole issue, and your comments will reflect that.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
if you've never done it before- then you are ignorant to the whole issue, and your comments will reflect that.
-SW
speak on brotha stinkwulfe!:)
oct
you and i obviously have very different opinions on the subject. a big fat to ya and we'll leave it at that. no need for a flame war:)
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Originally posted by pimpjoe
i smoke weed.
i drink alcohol.
im not even close to being a bum.
my favorite things to do are: hunt/fish/jam to music.
if smoking and drinking make me a bad person...then so be it.
if you dont like me...thats fine...i have plenty of friends.
IMO it takes a lot more than just hittin a joint or having a drink to make a person "bad"
if you hold it against somebody and say that they're a bad person and dont like a somebody because they do things that you dont agree with, i think that makes YOU a bad person.
my take on the subject...to each his own. if i dont want to do it i'll tell ya. keep an open mind. and mind your own.
pimpjoe,
Some, if not most, of my closest friends drink and/or use drugs. I never really held it against them and remained good friends with them while I watched them tear their lives apart. I know some brilliant people who have done nothing with their lives besides get drunk or high, and it makes me sad.
That's the point.
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2
That's the point.
But Eskimo- moderation is the key to everything in life though.
Going to nudie bars all day when you should be working and throwing your cash away will tear your life apart just the same as spending your life in a drug/alcohol haze.
-SW
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"But Eskimo- moderation is the key to everything in life though"
What is "moderation" to you? Monthly, daily, weekends only, special holidays,,,?? Just wondering what you consider the term. Not judgin, just curious??
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Well, honestly, lately it's not been very often... monthly I'd say. Before it was weekly- and that was just bad for me. Wasn't doing anything good for me in my day to day life, so I cut back severely and the less I do it.. the less I actually want to do it.
I forsee myself cutting back even more dramatically, especially since I'm now 21 and the whole bar scene opened up for me.
As you get older you get wiser or something to that effect, right? ;)
-SW
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TEX
iv known for several yrs now and you nothing to worry abought your mind and hart are all in the right place ..iv allways
expected you will go far in life ..your the kinda person this world needs more of and don't worry bought the in crowed heheh iv had them come work for me .. and they thought i was a nerd ..lol... all the so called incrowed iv know have never amounted to much .. except 1 and he turned himselfe around and has a good business going today 25 yrs latter .. hell some of the old incrowed in high school are in prision ...give it time you will see you are ahead of them .. dont rush it you will be fine .. you know what you want in life and what you got to do to do it :)
BTW RIP i still say ya stole em :p ......;)
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LOL Drill!
Anyway, I got in with the bad crowd in HS. 13 of us formed our own "Gang" before gangs were popular...however we limited our violence to going to other schools and beating the crap out of the student body. Well, I "saw the light" right after I graduated...4 of those 13 "gang members" are left, the rest either dead or in prison.
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hehe i agree rip sometimes ya got to hit the low end to see the lite and few ever do its never to late no matter what iswhat i say .. just got to go for it and do it :).. i did im not saying i was a angle .. by no means but i learned :)
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If this thread continues in a serious vein, I shall commence singing again.
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In the 40's my dad fought like crazy with his mom. She wanted him to grow his hair longer..................
In the 70's I fought like crazy with my dad. He wanted me to cut my hair shorter...............
In the 00's I fight like crazy with my sons. I want them to have hair that resembles a natural color...........
What goes around comes around, enjoy breathing!
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
if you've never done it before- then you are ignorant to the whole issue, and your comments will reflect that.
-SW
My comments were aimed towards a different point. After the whole meaning of this thread was changed, our posts have turned into apples and oranges.
Don't go assuming things from the little that I actually post here. You haven't the slightest clue as to who I am or what type of person I am. It shouldn't really matter what others think of me, but I need to clarify. That previous post was meant to suppor the original topic.. some interpretation was screwed as the thread changed. Don't think I'm some sheltered little boy that hasn't seen any bit of the real world. I do drink, I do not smoke, I've been around the block and have experienced plenty. Even though that last post shows a completely different person.. a very small window to a completely different person at that.. don't make assumptions about me based on some small snippet from a BBS.
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Tex and Oct, it is good to see there are young people who have their act together.
Everytime I drive down the road where I live and pass a group of teenagers, I say to my wife, "Yep, there is our countries future. God, are we in trouble!"
Hopefully there are young people out there that really care about their future.
My dad (who is now 89) said to me he could not be a father in today's age. He quotes, "If ya repermand them it's child abuse, if you dont, it's child neglect."
Parents cannot win. In this hussle and hurry world with everyone trying to get ahead, many time the rearing of a child takes a back seat. Which is unfortunate.
I got my share of beatings and I turned out semi OK.
:)
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Roses are red
Violets are blue
I'm schizophrenic
and so am I
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Texace and Octavious. I graduated from High School in 1974. It was harder in those days to "fit in" without experimenting with cigarettes, alcohol and marijuana. The ones who did not do this were in the minority. Because I wanted to "belong" and have friends, I joined a frat and that's where my troubles started. As a pledge, I didn't do any of those things...had never done them before, so it wasn't a problem for me. Think I was 16 when I had my first drink and cigarette...soon as I became a senior member. Didn't really want to; pretty much had to if I wanted to be accepted...all the guys my age did it.
The older members (21) only drank, they didn't use drugs or even smoke. We thought they were old fogies.
:)
Well anyway, just wanted to say you guys are A-OK in my book. Salute to you both. Can't say you'd be better off without drinking and such. On the other hand, look at the FDBs. Do you really want to end up like them?:D
Something to think about.
Les