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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Heinkel on June 13, 2002, 05:10:32 AM
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I want! :) 10 20mm's In A Bomber! :) (A-8 Version)
Manufacturer: Junkers Flugzeug und Motorwerke AG
Type: heavy transport
Engine: four BMW DB 801 L-2 fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radial engines, each rated at 1,500 hp
Max speed: 243 mph at 18,000 feet
Service ceiling: 19,000 feet
Max range: 790 miles
Weight: loaded 90,000 lbs
Dimensions: wingspan 138 feet
Armament:
Ju 290A-2:
Five 20mm MG 151
Six 13mm MG 131
Ju 290A-8:
Ten 20mm MG 151
One (or Three) 13mm MG 131
Bomb Load: 19,000 lbs or 90 men
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/ju290-1.jpg)
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mhhh nice bro
100% agree
But that would be a bomber everyone would uses.
So better model a favorite german buff like He111 or Do217
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Yep, Ju290 is cool plane, but only 65 planes was made. Would be ideal perk bomber to LW... ;)
More info from here:
Junkers Ju 290 and Ju 390 (http://uboat.net/technical/ju290.htm)
Junkers Ju 290/390 (http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/ju290.htm)
Pick is showing Ju290 A-5...
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Yeah, i would expect it to be a perk bomber...around 5-15 perks would be nice. It only goes 240 MPH @ 18K so perking it higher that 15 wound't be too good :)
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Absolutely a must have :)
Originally posted by airquest
mhhh nice bro
100% agree
But that would be a bomber everyone would uses.
So better model a favorite german buff like He111 or Do217
AH already got Ju88, which is better armed than either of those and it's a flying coffin.
No need for more flying coffins for germans :>
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90men.... a perfect goon. we need this bomber/goon soon
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What kind of bomb sight does it have? what kind of bomb load outs are possible. What do the cockpit and gun positions look like? (needed for a model in the game)..
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Do217 E-2 got quite good defensive armament and bomb load. One fixed MG 151/15 in the nose, one MG 131 in dorsal turret, one MG 131 manually aimed at lower rear, three MG 15 manually aimed in nose and beam windows plus 8,818 lbs (4000 kg) of bombs, including 3,307 lbs (1500 kg) carried externally...;)
Max speed was just 320mph (515kmh), climb rate 216m/min, service ceiling 9000m and range 2800 km... :p
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if its going to be a perk bomber, howzabout Ju 390? - similar plane, but 6 engines...
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sounds like a decent plane. we totally need more german bombers and another transport plane wouldnt hurt either-adds variety. i know germans prefered medium bombers there needs to be a heavy bomber to counter the allied heavy bombers.
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The germans were in development of heavy bombers but the process was obliterated by the allies and their bombing.
Cant remember designation but had an uncanny resemblance to the B-29.
The He-177 was in limited service/development but had teething engine "heatng" problems.
The fw-200 and the ju-290 are cool in that they both could carry guided missiles. Great for hitting fleets.
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I'd love to see the Grief in the game; there are a couple of really well done versions for CFS2. Relatively small production runs though, so would probably be perked. The Condor on the other hand, would be the obvious choice: many produced, saw wide usage on several fronts, strengths and weaknesses--and I've always wanted to fly one!
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Why:confused:
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Again Senna early production models of the He177 did have problems but were later resolved with the A5 version. Same Myth goes about the Fw190. The Fw190 had heating problems with the first version the A1 then later the A2 fixed it by re routing the exhaust and the engine troubles all but dissapeared.
The He177 would be great for an MA buff It wouldn't inbalance the arena any more than BNZ Lancs and B17s we have currently.
Anywho considering some other planes we have unperked (N1K2) ,and perked (F4U1C,Ta152) that had low production numbers I wouldn't disregard them to not being modeled and portrayed in AH.
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Do217 K-2 could carry two Henschel Hs 293s or two SD1400 X (Fritz X) missiles under wings. Max speed was 333mph (533 kmh)...
This pick shows Do217 K-2 with Hs293 A missile and drop tank ? under wings :p
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Do217 is a MUST have...He177A5 too...
Both unperked...or perk them along the better-turning-than-a-spiftire-at-30k B17 :D
One thing is for sure, you'll see no stratoHe177s or Do217s...IIRC both had service ceilings lower than 22.000 feet :)
nothing worth being perked, that's fer sure :)
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Do 217 K-3 was improved version from K-2. K3 could be fitted with up to four missiles or "lufttorpedos". This particular plane got four LT 4 torpedoes under wings...
Edit:
Do217 M series was based to K series plane, main difference was greater wing span and more powerful Daimler-Benz DB 603A engines 1,750 hp (1305 kW). K series plane got only BMW 801D engines 1,700 hp (1268 kW). DB 603 A engines and new wing gave M series plane better high altitude perfomance thus service ceiling was improved to 31,170ft (9500m) :D
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Originally posted by superpug1
Why:confused:
Hehe. Yeah, it's perverse I know. But I enjoy flying buffs as much as fighters, and the Condor was a really interesting piece of work (and quite heavily armed, for a Luftie bomber). What would be interesting, however, is if HTC modelled its nasty tendency to snap in two when attempting any evasive maneuvre. . .come to think of it, that would be a useful way to counter some of the "fly a buff like a fighter" types in the MA. . .
(on a completely unrelated note: I noticed that in the last release Warbirds implemented a system whereby bomber gun's can't be fired if it's performing extreme maneuvres (more than x number of gs or y degrees of bank)--what do you think about that as an idea in AH?)
Anything from the 217K series would be a great addition as well, nice suggestion.
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The Ju88 is only a flying coffin if flown inappropriately. Under what conditions are you flying it, Fishu? Scenarios? MA? In numbers? With sweep/escort? Local air superiority? Cloudy weather? At night with no icons? :-)
It's all a matter of where/when how you use it. The Ju88 is a fine plane, and the Do217 would be a far better and overall more useful addition to AH than the He177. I'd rather see more of the more common planes added to AH - like most of the Reggia Aeronautica and the Pe2, the He111 and Do17 and 217 -before adding yet another relatively rare plane.
Also, I'd like to see engine-overheating added into the game, at least for bombers, and possibly fighters as well (although as something that can be turned on or off overall by CMs). That'd slow bombers to more realistic speeds and altitudes so that fighters could make HO attacks with at least no more difficulty than in RL. It might also get some fighter jocks out of the habit of thrashing around at 100% throttle constantly, too, when what they ought to be doing is going full throttle only when just about to engage in combat. And if reliability was thrown into the equation... eheheheh... no-one'd want to fly the He177 in the MA! :-)
Esme