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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: bikekil on June 13, 2002, 02:21:34 PM
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I'm hpaay to announce that it will be the next Sunday TOD:
Malta - a small island in the Med almost exactly between the coast of Italy and Tunis. The island was used by Britain as a naval base since the Napoleonic era. In 40’s Malta was a thorn in the Axis side with her ability to thrust at any link from Italy to Africa. In the summer of 1940, Italy missed its best chance to take Malta when the island defenses were inadequate. Regia Aeronautica was bombing the island from 11.06 but bombing alone would not defeat the Allies.
The Italians took interest in Malta in the 1940, when they realised that its strong tactical allied position standing in the way of their supply convoys heading to Lybia. They began a bombing campaign that did some damage to the port and RAF airfields. RAF couldn’t stand against them and the situation became critical when Regia Aeronautica were joined by elements of the Luftwaffe's Fleigerkorps X in January, 1941.
As the Battle of Britian ended and the German's focused on the blitz, the RAF managed to reinforce Malta with some badly needed fighters. From that time the strenth of the defending forces continued to grow every month. They recieved night fighter elements and effective anti-shipping Blenheim IVs. Every day was closer to the final victory.
The Axis raids in the first half of 1942 were increased when Malta had become a major thorn against resupplying Rommel in Libya. There were even invasion plans for taking Malta but they were not carried out. The fighting over Malta lasted for 4 years and 2 months. The final tally eventually came to 3,340 air raid alerts claiming over 2600 civilians and servicemen.
Map:
Sicily
Axis Aircraft:
JU88A-4
Bf110C-4B
Bf109E4
C.202
Allied Aircraft:
Hurricane mk I
Hurricane mk IIC (limited)
Spitfire mk I
Seafire
TBF
Admin CM: Bikekil (it's my first TOD so please be gentle ;))
Setup CM: Flossy (so it will run smooth :))
Now Squad CO's please post your side requests.
Hope to see you all there
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ITALY (C.202 )
18° Gruppo, 3° Stormo CT
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308 Requests Hurricane Mk. I :D
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Hurri or Spit for WOD if possible, otherwise wherever we are needed.
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As always, MAG would prefer Allied but will fly anything.
However, in this case, we would REALLY prefer Allied.....cos I love seafires. :D
(http://www.boomspeed.com/swoop/logo_small.jpg)
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Got a call from GA (sais) Vikings are in for seafire :D , or where we are needed!
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put Airmageddon down for Allies oe whereever needed
Rotty :)
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Please try to put the Hornets (418 RCAF) in spitfires :)
Thanx
Busher
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All possible and immaginable planes are modelled in AH except the STUKA Ju-87
Why don't you implement the Ju-87 STUKA while instead the IL-2 STURMOVIK it is ?
Hey AH programmers i'm speacking with you ;)
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Per una volta concordo clouds :D
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Guys,
Please note that i'm asking about your "side preferations" only.
You as Frame CO's will decide about aircraft assigments :)
btw. i'm sorry to see that not many wants to fly LW
Is something wrong with planeset?
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9 GIAP is ready to fly any side, any planes.
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I suppose it is because the only flyable plane in the AXIS planeset is the BF-110.
The BF-109E unlike the real one, is too unbalanced compared to the SPIT-I whose bad negative G performances are the only real differences with the BF-109E, while in the real, the BF-109E was faster, more powered, a faster diver, and a better climber than SPIT-I and last but not least it was heavily armed.
Those caracteristics i found in Warbirds 2.77R3 planeset (even if other performances didn't correspond to the respective real probably)
I heard someone to say about ALLIES planeset that, it was made by Americans and then suited for Americans. :p :rolleyes:
I have seen even some planeset made by Russians and suited only for Russians (in a different simulator). Anyway often programmes implementing a game exceedes overmodelling theyrs country planes.
Was I clear enough ?
This is the main reason so few pilots prefer LW Aircrafts (I know to be hopeles over Malta but......W ITALIA ;) :) )
C u all in the skyes around Malta. :cool:
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Is this a Squad only thing?
I'd love to fly Axis on this.
Undeth
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it's only an Squad event (like every TOD) but you can fly it anyway.
You can get a guest spot in an Axis Squad. You need to ask an Axis squad CO for invitation and you are ready to go :)
Guys, who wants a guyst pilot? More of us flying TOD -> more fun we have :)
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What is the date for this Sunday TOD?
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23.06.2002 - frame 1
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Anything off of a Royal Navy CV please, we are an FAA squad.
Seafire
Sea Hurricanes (any type)
Malta based Spits
After that, anything LW is ok with us. I realise first picks are in no way guaranteed, we will have fun regardless!
Will be there with 4-6
Regards.
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Well, Firebirds would prefer Allies also. And we were Axis last time... ;)
Vladd
(http://www.btinternet.com/~nexx/56sig.gif)
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56th FG will fly axis. Undeth, you are welcome to fly with us if you wish. We are going to ask for the BF 110;)
jwells9@satx.rr.com
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Thanks Ammo. I'd be honored to fly with you. You know how much I luv the 110.
UnDeth
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If KG2 is allowed to fly in this one (PLEEEASE!), we would, of course, prefer to fly the Ju88 (probably the most capable WW2 bomber ever) :-) No complaints here about the planeset!
Esme (still waiting to hear when we can start taking part) :-)
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Why arent the 109G2 in on the Axis side?
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Originally posted by Esme
If KG2 is allowed to fly in this one (PLEEEASE!), we would, of course, prefer to fly the Ju88 (probably the most capable WW2 bomber ever) :-) No complaints here about the planeset!
Esme (still waiting to hear when we can start taking part) :-)
If you are registered for SUNDAY TOD you can fly JU's i'm sure :)
If not - e-amil me please :)
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Originally posted by GA
Why arent the 109G2 in on the Axis side?
In the initial phase of Battle over Malta germans hadn't G2's :)
I think you will fly it over Malta in Operation Hercules.
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Originally posted by bike killa
In the initial phase of Battle over Malta germans hadn't G2's :)
I think you will fly it over Malta in Operation Hercules.
Yes, and British had not seafires :)
Fariz
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yup, but they had a CV there (btw this CV was sunked by Axis fleet) and it was protected by planes based on it (Hurries if memory serves me well).
Problem with TODs is that we need to have it fun for both Axis and Allies. It wouldn't be fun without protected CV (and it can be donte by Seafires... and believe me - it's better for Axis to fly against Seafires not CV based hirries with 20mm's :))
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Originally posted by bike killa
yup, but they had a CV there (btw this CV was sunked by Axis fleet) and it was protected by planes based on it (Hurries if memory serves me well).
Problem with TODs is that we need to have it fun for both Axis and Allies. It wouldn't be fun without protected CV (and it can be donte by Seafires... and believe me - it's better for Axis to fly against Seafires not CV based hirries with 20mm's :))
I am not sure that making seafires available for this scenario is a good idea. Same with hurriesC, If I remember it correctly, none were at Malta around the time of scenario. IC -- may be, IIC -- I doubt it greatly.
Ever tried to fly emil against seafires? Think it is fun? Seafire outclass emil in everything. If you will had IIC -- it is again another historic time plane. You might as well add 109f4 then for axis.
Fariz
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Originally posted by Fariz
I am not sure that making seafires available for this scenario is a good idea. Same with hurriesC, If I remember it correctly, none were at Malta around the time of scenario. IC -- may be, IIC -- I doubt it greatly.
Ever tried to fly emil against seafires? Think it is fun? Seafire outclass emil in everything. If you will had IIC -- it is again another historic time plane. You might as well add 109f4 then for axis.
Fariz
i will provide you siutable data when get back home from work.
That or other way i can't see Allies hunting JU'88s without few flying bricks with 20mm's. Do you think it would be fun?
Axis will have numbers at this TOD... and as you probably know TODs are different then MA and this TOD is "objective based" not "points based" so all you need it to follow you abjectives, not trying to kill all enemy A/C at all costs.
I hope it's going to work fine with this planeset.
Note that 20mm Hurries are limited so don't expect thwm to fly around Malta all the time.
Example:
5 Hurriec IIC are attacked by 20 C.202's - who do you think gonna survive it?
5 Hurries IIC attacking 10JU88's covered by 15 C.202's - see much chances for this hurries?
The way of plane usage is decisive here :)
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Originally posted by bike killa
That or other way i can't see Allies hunting JU'88s without few flying bricks with 20mm's. Do you think it would be fun?
It will be. I flew Sicilly for axis, it was fun, though numbers were in Allies advantage badly.
I do not care about numbers, points, and win in a historic scenarious. I care about immersion. I just can get it all faster, more intense, and with much greater divercity in MA, but I do not get immersion out of MA.
It is all a question of ballance. You have to substitute some planes, just because AH plane set is limited, but you have to be extremely careful with it. 110c instead of ju87b is ok, seafire instead of gladiators, and hurrie IIC instead of Ib -- it is not.
When you too care about "fun" at a price of "imersion" -- you get squad flying MA instead of TOD. Though may be that is what you want it to be, I do not know. But in my opinion this way is wrong.
Fariz
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It will be. I flew Sicilly for axis, it was fun, though numbers were in Allies advantage badly.
Here Axis gonna have numbers.
I do not care about numbers, points, and win in a historic scenarious. I care about immersion. I just can get it all faster, more intense, and with much greater divercity in MA, but I do not get immersion out of MA.
It is all a question of ballance. You have to substitute some planes, just because AH plane set is limited, but you have to be extremely careful with it. 110c instead of ju87b is ok, seafire instead of gladiators, and hurrie IIC instead of Ib -- it is not.
So let's clear it:
HURRIES IIC WERE FLYING OVER MALTA IN 1941. PUNT
RAF had Hirries MK.IIb there as well, not only MK I's.
"at 27.06 ig42 Ark Royal delivered to Malta 22 NEW Hurricanes MKII including few MK II C's armored with 20mm cannons" For your information it was "Operation Railway I" 4 days later MAlta got another 22 of MKII's
THat wan not ONLY MKIIC's flying over Malta
Squadrons 69, 229 were flying on them... i could give you more of sqyadrons using it but i think i proven my poing strong enought and it's no longer worth of researching.
As for Seafires:
HMS "Agrus had SaeHurries mkI. Other Seafires were close to malta at the begining of 1942 on the deck of H.M.S Victorious.
That's why i added SeaFires becouse of lack of SeaHurries but with lowered numbers.
When you too care about "fun" at a price of "imersion" -- you get squad flying MA instead of TOD. Though may be that is what you want it to be, I do not know. But in my opinion this way is wrong.
Let's keep it short. I'm flying AH from 03.2000 - i spent some time here. Was participating in EVERY Big scenatio and saw a lot of action on MA.
Once i jioned CM Team i discussed with "senior" CM's this topic. At the begining my point was to have strictly historical TOD's but after we discussed it i realised that's not the right way here.
TOD's are historical based, but they [need] to be fun for all sides. Somtimes it costs some repleacements and improvements for some sides.
Fariz, i really see your points and i understand your fears here. My opinoin is, that BOTH sides can win this TOD with this planeset . All they need is to follow objectives and use his machines smart. With all respect, please hold with coments about this TOD before it starts. I would love to hear opinion of as expirienced pilot as you are after all :)
I can't post mission objectives for both sides here, so please wait with judging it.
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RGR That m8 ;)
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Good grief! You think they NEED fighters armed with 20mm cannon in order to shoot down Ju88s?! Why? Should be perfectly possible with 8 .303's, as per the Battle of Britain... :-}
And if it isnt possible to kill Ju88s with Spit and Hurri 1's, then somethings amiss with the weapons/damage system. If it's a case of pilots simply not using the right tactics, then that's up to them, but that wouldnt justify giving them extra-powerful planes. They should be encouraged to fly smarter instead! :-)
But whatever... I've flown Ju88's in late war games before... over Malta in 1941 shouldnt be TOO scary! :-} (fingers crossed)
Esme
CO, Kampfgeschwader 2 "Holzhammer"
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You think they NEED fighters armed with 20mm cannon in order to shoot down Ju88s?! Why?
Becouse numbers are 67:42 for Axis favour. I can't see it balanced with Allies flying around loaded with mg's only :) they need few 20mm's.
Of course it's possible to kill a JU with mg's.
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Last note bifore announcing side assigments and sending orders to frame co's:
Axis- stop whininng about Hurries, just use your advanteges and kill them. It's to hard?
Allies- if you are lucky to be a mk IIC driver, don't shoot to JU's ;)
But serious - with that advantege yall could win it flying 202's or C47's. Just show up woth numbers you declared and wictory is yours :D
Good Luck Luftwhiners and Scummy Allies ;)
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Dont matter to me, I will gladly fly a HurricaneI as a substitute. Bring it on. I wish we had the Martlet (F4F) as well, next time I guess.
Looks good to me anyways Bike Killa .
We shall fly whatever you need. Should be a hoot.
Regards.
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Errrrr on 332 Vikings!!
We are in for Axis and wil like to fly JU88:eek:
After masses votes:confused:
And I thought I was the Boss :D, Did i gott that in my face that i said we gona fly for allieds and sefire :D
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Hehehehe GA.
The same for me.
I thought to fly with ALLIES this time (afther 4 TOD with AXIS) but my squadmates had almost kicked me out :p :) (they like to play hard but.........for so short time) :cool:
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Originally posted by bike killa
Becouse numbers are 67:42 for Axis favour. I can't see it balanced with Allies flying around loaded with mg's only :) they need few 20mm's.
Of course it's possible to kill a JU with mg's.
Umm.. but generally, didn't bombers outnumber fighters 2:1 (sometimes more), so that's only 23 Axis fighters (and 44 Ju88s) vs 42 Allied fighters? *
;-)
Esme
*tongue firmly in cheek.
Looking forward to it, whetever the numbers of whatever types are! :-)
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Well... it dependes on Frame CO's choices :-]
I can't tell them to use X number or Y plane.
My job is to tell X number or Y planes are avaliable for you on Z airfield - you can use it (but there is no obligation ;-]
First thing you need in order to win an event are numbers
You could have unlimited on D9's avaliable but what 2/3 of expected folks are "no shows" you can't win it.
Second thing is a good idea, good action plan, conception of airships usage.
You don't need nothing more.
That's how i see it ;-]