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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hitech on September 19, 2001, 05:16:00 PM
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For 1.08 we have a new gun tester you will be able to use. I did some quick samples on the b17 tail gun at 500 and 1000 yards
500 yards.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/tail500.jpg)
1000 Yards.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/tail1000.jpg)
Each ring is 10 ft radius.
HiTech
[ 09-19-2001: Message edited by: hitech ]
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cool!
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and i was the 1st to reply! neener neener!
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Jeez, HT. This has enormous potential for the "Way Cool of the Year" award!
Tell us more! Are we going to be able to go off line and sight in new sights we make up?
Can we mess with convergences, take screenshots and compare?
More info! More info!
I think I already like this though!
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dude,
1.08 is going to blow fricken all competition away
my personal standpoint is that htc has meetings of to decide 'what cool stuff does no one else have?' - 'ok, lets do that'
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Thanks HiTech. That will help analytical testing lots. :D
Would it be possible to have diferent convergence sets leave different color dots, like they have different color convergence lines? That would help me in configuring my convergence settings.
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I say it's just allied propaganda!
Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/rauns/sig-frenchy1.jpg)
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Exelent! Just what we need!
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S!
Looking at the pattern, and correlating that information with the fact that multiple guns are blasting away, its obvious to me why the bomber guns hit at much longer ranges:
They produce the effect of a big shotgun.
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Agreed, Buzzbait. At 1000 yards it looks like the multiple guns land in a pattern about 30 ft. wide in radius. At about 1000 yards, aim slightly upwards the target and anything within that 30 ft. radius has high probability of being hit - shot gun effect.
At 500 yards - where most fighters should begin shooting(anything not armed with same .50s :) ), the same number of gun shots land within 10 ft. Let's see.. thats two for the tail, two for the top turret, and two for the belly turret... 6 x .50s, about as powerful as P-51D guns.. landing within 10 ft. radius if aimed right.. that's gotta hurt a plane.
So. I guess this means problems of the Buff guns is not with it's accuracy or power as claimed.. but rather the issue of "MULTIPLE GUNS ALL FIRING AT A SINGLE TARGET".
We have a new Myth rising :D
50 cal. Shotgun Myth :D
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Which would also suggest Buff attacking tactics of "Straight from Top". Dropping down on a B-17 from straight above.. Well.. I guess this proves Buff attacking strategy posted by some is scientifical :) Not some subjective, imperical thing..
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I think HT gave up sex for 1.08.
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HT said "tail gun". I think he was only firing the pair in the tail.
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I think there are gonna be a lot of pissed off LW dorkies when they realize one of their favorite excuses is now obsolete.
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I was able to test the gun tester at HTC the other day. Once you get the hang of it I think the buffhunters will have something to fear when attacking from the rear. :D
(http://www.applink.net/thunder/spoof/tail500a.jpg)
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Great utility to estimate dispersion!
P.S.: ... does it mean that buffs 0.50's lethality, velocity, bullet size, capacity to fire through the fuselage are ok and/or will be fixed?
[ 09-20-2001: Message edited by: gatt ]
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The most needed issue is to fix the gun firing arcs so that they can't fire thru rudder or thru fuselage.
Otherwise buffs are fine - at least below 20k.
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Firstly who the hell is this Hitech guy and what would he know!!!!!!
Secondly, if lazs see's this post, he's gonna be real upset.
:D
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Wtg Hitech. I posted a while ago under my former callsign and asked for these sort of tools, WTG!
Are you working on FM test tools too?
S!
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why would I be upset zygote? i would like to see the dispertion from the flexible side guns and from fiters fifties tho. what i have been "upset" about is that all the guns are "slaved" to one guy while he's flyin the plane no less and it appears that some of em shoot thru his own plane to get you and.... why doesn't 30-100 fifties in the fuselage kill everyone on the buff? and.... why do the bombs have such a ridiculous dispertion and why do buffs and their bombs have such a lopsided effect on the game and.....
Nice utility tho.
lazs
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Originally posted by Kweassa:
Which would also suggest Buff attacking tactics of "Straight from Top". Dropping down on a B-17 from straight above.. Well.. I guess this proves Buff attacking strategy posted by some is scientifical :) Not some subjective, imperical thing..
Kinda hard to attack "straight from the top" when 9 out of 10 drivers will stomp the rudder to stand in 60degree bank manuevers to bring at least 5 guns to bear initially, then 7 as aspect angle changes and you end up doing a stern attack because of incredible turn rate a B-17 gets at 60degree bank from the gun position.
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If you were the ball gunner on a B-17, and an enemy fighter was approaching from 6:00, slightly low, and the tail gunner was already shooting at him, would you shoot at him as well?
I don't get the argument that AH gunners should only get to fire 1 gun or turret.
Buff gunners shot at any enemy that they could point their guns at. One of the biggest problems with gunning in AH is that 1 person is doing the job of 6+ (in a B-17).
B-17 gunners talked to each other and worked together to fight off the enemy.
They didn't take turns.
It's just silly.
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2:
If you were the ball gunner on a B-17, and an enemy fighter was approaching from 6:00, slightly low, and the tail gunner was already shooting at him, would you shoot at him as well?
I don't get the argument that AH gunners should only get to fire 1 gun or turret.
Buff gunners shot at any enemy that they could point their guns at. One of the biggest problems with gunning in AH is that 1 person is doing the job of 6+ (in a B-17).
B-17 gunners talked to each other and worked together to fight off the enemy.
They didn't take turns.
It's just silly.
eskimo
I'm not saying gunners should be limited to firing only one position at a time.
What is silly is standing the kite on its wing and still getting the "perfect group" out of the guns and basically negating the best kind of attack on buffs.
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It wasn't directed at you Cavey,
It's a whine that has been around ever since the B-17s guns were made opperational back in the beta days. Back when you and I and others would get 6 kill B-17 sorties because so many folks (including myself) didn't have a clue how to best attack a bomber.
BTW all, if you are having trouble taking buffs down, fly them, gun from them, you will learn the best methods, and the worst methods, by becoming the target.
eskimo
[ 09-20-2001: Message edited by: eskimo2 ]
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Originally posted by Thunder:
I was able to test the gun tester at HTC the other day. Once you get the hang of it I think the buffhunters will have something to fear when attacking from the rear. :D
(http://www.applink.net/thunder/spoof/tail500a.jpg)
heh heh...thats some funny stuff there Thunder. I think it went right over their heads. :)
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Diving attack on b17, especially when its yawing with rudder is really effective. considering when your vertical how easy it is to roll into position, you really cant miss. just drop the throttle when your over and slightly ahead of the 17, and wack em good. Virtually impossible to get hit.
:D
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i was thinken' the same thing as i scrolled down sling--glad to see at least 1 other peep caught it;^/
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dlitto
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LOL,
I was wondering the same.. I knew a FDB would pick up on it! <SALUTE!> :)
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I got it right away :cool:
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This is way cool but I have to admit I missed the sarcasm in my no caffine yet induced stupor this morning... :(
xBAT
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What Eskimo said!!! But Cavey has a different but also very valid point about maneuvering and firing. Granted it hasn't saved many bombers from being shot down (from my pov) as I tend to land more rounds on the plane when it's not just a slim siluhette (sp off I know :( )
And that "salute" spread is funny as all hell :D
Westy