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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Obear1971 on June 17, 2002, 04:41:29 PM
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A well posted topic but one that still rears its head from time to time.
If your in a bus Que, Would it be ok for me to push right in front?
If your just about to sit down in front of your meal, can i walk over take your plate and eat the contents for myself?
If im walking though a door and your right behind me, wouldnt you expect me to hold the door open for you?
Yeh?
So why do some people insist on SQUEEZING in between the small gap between myself and the con im spraying with fire to cop the kill for themselves.
I die through kill shooter
You get the kill
Thank you, your manners surpass thos of a rutting pig, but only just.
Thank you for your time i fell better now :)
Lets roll :D
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Ya know, I got called for that very thing last night. What wasn't known to him was that I'd been chasing the bogie for 1 1/2 sectors and when he made his dive to the base I followed w/o diving, caught up to him at the apex of his zoom and missed the shot so I reversed and followed him down. When I was D 1.0 somebody pulled to my targets 6 and tried a snapshot but missed and continued the chase...here I come gaining on both at a fast pace and blew by my country mate and popped the bog only to hear that I stole a fight from someone else. What a bunch of BS, I ignored him like I do to most whines directed at me. My time in AH is limited and I refuse to allow some whiney geek try to ruin my fun just because he thinks he was the first in line :D
It's a game, have fun. If you aren't having fun why play?
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Shhhh! Hide your post quick before Rude sees it ;)
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Originally posted by Obear1971
So why do some people insist on SQUEEZING in between the small gap between myself and the con im spraying with fire to cop the kill for themselves.
Aces High is not a welfare state. If someone squeezes into the small gap between yourself and the enemy you're trying to kill, it means he angled for better position and did so in a more timely matter than you. In most cases, he probably wasn't even paying attention to you and your inability to kill the enemy at a "small" distance.
Learn to kill more effectively and efficiently and you won't have the need to complain on the forums about "manners."
-- Todd/Leviathn
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You need to map a button on your joystick to send a "dibs" message to the country channel radio buffer. That way... when someone does this, you can yell "BUT I HAD DIBS!" really loudly.
If you're going to whine like a 3rd grader.. you might as well get the lingo right.
AKDejaVu
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O'bear
He's yours when you actually chop his wings off.
BTW, if you want to spray a bunch of lead over my shoulder while I kill someone, feel free.
If you want to whine about kill-shootering on me afterwards, feel free.
If you ever see me spray 3,000 rounds at a guy for 10 minutes without killing him, and you want to fly through my fire-stream resulting in putting me out of my misery via kill-shooter, by all means, feel free.
eskimo
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if you die from killshooter its your fault.
what you see on your fe and the other guy that "squeezed in front of you" see are different. In his fe he may be above or to the side of you.
Only you can react to what you see on your fe. Take a second to look. if you see a guy slipping in then you have lost the advantage and you should hold your fire. If it go for the shot and get killshootered then take it like a man. It may have "rude" for him to jump on your kill but everything is fair game.
So next you can get pissed because you got killshootered or you can learn some better sa and realize when to back off.
Thats right its your fault if you die in killshooter. The other guy didnt make you pull the trigger. A quick check when you are pursuing a con that multiple friendlies are chasing will save you a headache.
I know its tough excepting responsibility for your actions especially in an arena where its always some elses fault
:rolleyes:
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I enjoy guys who dive in front of other people to steal their kills... the resultant string of 5 or 6 friendlies chasing a single bad guy trying to steal the kill from each other is so hilarious. Especially while I circle above them, watching the other 4 reds to move in and destroy them all. That leaves me with 4 low, slow targets.
So thank you all for being so greedy you didn't notice the other 4 inbound targets, you just gave me 4 easy kills.
Of course, I still suffer the amazingly dumbfoundingly annoying people who will dive in just as I am dealing the final blow to another plane I just crippled only to watch them pump in all their cannon rounds and zoom away.
Between those two, it's a wonder why I don't fly more often!
Seriously- people could learn a little engagement etiquette or something.
-SW
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Yes I am having fun thank you and no, the other fighter was nowhere to been seen, i had many pings on this B26, got him smoking real well. Been chasing him for a little while.
I know when dog fighting you are at some point going to cut in front of someone once in a while, i am no doubt guilty of this in the affray.
This was someone who came in from a great distance, from alt at speed, underneath my aircraft and right in front of my face whilst I was shooting. I will lay a bet with anyone to stop shooting in time not to get kill shooter in these instances; bullets already have left your gun.
Rather than fill the text buffer in game with obsanitys, I came in here for a quieter and rather more composed and reflective response.
I didn’t cry, nor did i let the event ruining my evening, fact is after the post it was forgotten. Freedom of speech anyone?
Judging by the replies some of your obviously fail to notice the :) and the :D at the end. These are called Emiticons i think, used to give some idea on your mood.
This has happed to me on many occasion, and its usually part of the game you just deal with, no biggy.
This however was a deliberate move.
I just wanted to point out how rude I find it. That is if that’s ok with everyone :rolleyes:
4 words to some of you
Lines
The
Between
Read
Rearrange them to make a well know phrase or saying
:)
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When some over-zealous pilot makes a play for a plane I'm working on, I do the following: As soon as he's in front of me, I give a Check 6 and shoot a burst past his ear. Most of the time that causes him to break or jink. If it doesn't work, or if he's on to that ploy, there are other, less endearing methods to exact revenge or protect your "claim".
I had worked my Yak, unseen, to the low 6 of a Dora. As I closed to 700 yards, I see a Typhoon racing down to try for the kill, and the Dora jockey hadn't seen him yet. So, I fire a long-range burst at the 190, which immediately turns hard left. This killed any chance that the Tiffy would get a shot as his speed was way too high to follow. OTH, my Yak easily turned inside the Dora and whamo.... That Tiffy pilot had the nerve to complain that I had spoiled his shot... Poor baby... Did he think I was gonna let him steal it just like that? Silly boy. :rolleyes:
Another point: 95% of the time, I arrive at fights with substantial altitude in my pocket. This allows me a good vantagepoint to evaluate what's going on before I commit to engaging. Frequently, I'll see a one on one or two on one below. Usually, I'll simply observe without jumping into the fight unless my countrymate(s) are having trouble. Even then, I'll ask if they need help or if I deem it necessary, announce that I'm "in" over voice com. Even then, you get the occasional guy who whines that you stole his kill, despite the fact that you undoubtedly saved his bacon. Then again, there are a lot of pilots who never realize that they're in trouble until they get killed.
As to "conga lines", it's alway fun picking off the "tailend Charlie" while everyone else is fixated on the unfortunate target.
My regards,
Widewing
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The funniest thing of all is when the friendly who "calls" a plane ends up getting killed by it as I orbit above.
Friendly--"Why'd you let it kill me?"
Me-- "Because you said it was all yours"
Friendly-- "F.U."
Heheheh too funny :)
J_A_B
P.S. should hopefully be back in the arena by the end of the month, job slowing down sooner than I expected :)
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Originally posted by J_A_B
The funniest thing of all is when the friendly who "calls" a plane ends up getting killed by it as I orbit above.
Friendly--"Why'd you let it kill me?"
Me-- "Because you said it was all yours"
Friendly-- "F.U."
Heheheh too funny :)
J_A_B
P.S. should hopefully be back in the arena by the end of the month, job slowing down sooner than I expected :)
lol, I had a similar incident a few tours ago. I see a friendly La7 below me bounce an even lower Dhog. I loiter above as I don't like to jump into someone else fight. I'm a cherry picker at heart. Anyway, it looks like the La7 has the upper hand so I turn away to find a fight of my own. The Dhog reverses the La7 and whacks him. The friendly comes over country channel, "Yak, you suck. No help at all!".
I immediately saw there was no need to reply as it most assuredly would have gone right over his head.
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Kill stealng is another symptom of 400 players in the arena. When we had 100-200 we still had kill stealing but not on this scale.
It's time to seriously look at what 400 players has done to the game. It's not the same AH or WB we were playing before AW folded. Consider that summer numbers are down and Fall should see even more in the arena.
Heads up! Lets look at this with fresh eyes.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
Kill stealng is another symptom of 400 players in the arena. When we had 100-200 we still had kill stealing but not on this scale.
It's time to seriously look at what 400 players has done to the game. It's not the same AH or WB we were playing before AW folded. Consider that summer numbers are down and Fall should see even more in the arena.
Heads up! Lets look at this with fresh eyes.
When I was a MOL back in WB, we had I think two rules and one of them was to steal as many kills as possible from your squaddies. Even after I left WB and the MOLs, I still hold that rule in high regard. If I see someone taking forever and a day to shoot down the other guy, I'll dive right in for the steal. Only time I won't go for the steal is when the bad guy is obviously damaged.
Ack-Ack
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and my point is that kill stealing is fine in an arena of 150, but when there's 400 it's not "cute" any more, it's disruptive.
We may not be able to apply what was "fun" in WB's and early AH in this new game.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
and my point is that kill stealing is fine in an arena of 150, but when there's 400 it's not "cute" any more, it's disruptive.
We may not be able to apply what was "fun" in WB's and early AH in this new game.
Adapt and Overcome
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I remember one night diving in on a low nme. Fester and his wingie were high alt and called out "go get em nomde". I presently lined up on the nme's 6 at about 400yds and couldn't for the life of me hit the bastage. Well after about a minute of playing with my food, fester got so disgusted he zoomed down and took my supper, crumbs and all :p
No biggie, i'm glad he got him as someone switched my meds and I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn that night, hehe. In either case, the nme was ded and there was one less to worry about....NEXT....
:D
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Take the shot, or Goose dies......simple
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Skyrats/files/topgun30.jpg)
Tronsky
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There is a solution to all of this; go fly where there are lots of red dots and no green ones. Let the nme worry about who's stealing kills :D
I used to get PEssid off when I flew the zero alot, but I found the ammo load actually usually takes a while to allow you the kill; not to mention that if you are turning (which you ought to be in a zero) it's a bit more difficult to get a nice stream to hit at or around convergence distance. Solution? Become an la7 dweeb. When I flew zero, kills to assists were about 2:1. La7, 6:1
Not many "kill stealers" if you choose your target, keep your distance from friendlies, fly well, aim well, and take a nice gun.
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Only happened to me once so far. Was in a Hurricane D on f6f's tail ziggin and zaggin around on deck plinking him with 303's from 200-240 yards back looking for a 40mm shot chance. Got him smoking and tired a guess because he leveled out "Ah Ha!" I say and fire the 40mm. But wait, BOOM! I'm dead as someone drives through my plane and with impeccable timing catches a 40mm round for me.
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400+ dweebs on means more targets for you to choose. Were you spraying and praying near a base full of friends and foes? Not too realistic to expect an uninterrupted joust.
Get interrupted during an engagement? Let the interloper distract your prey and use the break to get in a better position or just disengage and go for someone else.
It all depends on who you're flying with or against. Also, there is no kill stealing. Everybody pays for em.
When in doubt, check the picture ...
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The kill stealing dosent bother me, if i loose 1 kill im not fused.
My point being that its just plain rude, and if i had a nice 7 or 8 kill ranked up on that flight, the actions of the pilot would have ruined the ability to land and bank them.
Not that this would really make me fumeing mad and angry for the rest of the day, its just so inconsiderate.
Plain and simple.
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Originally posted by Obear1971
My point being that its just plain rude, and if i had a nice 7 or 8 kill ranked up on that flight, the actions of the pilot would have ruined the ability to land and bank them.
Define "kill stealing" then. Do you mean if you've got the other guy considerably damaged and/or death spiralling into the dirt when someone comes along to blast the carcass?
Because if that's not what you mean, then it's not kill stealing. Kill faster next time and suck it up if you killshooter yourself. It's not a matter of civility or consideration. Unless you've essentially destroyed the enemy, he is no more yours than he is anybody elses'. It's not up to the other guy to care about your seven or eight kill streak when he's trying to start his own.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I don't understand how people apparently killshooter themselves on a seemingly regular basis. Don't you have SA? Don't you watch around you? Don't you see that friendly diving in BEFORE you pull the trigger?
You should know where every plane, friendly and NME, within 3-4K of you is at all times, and their E state and intentions too. Anything less signifies bad SA. If you know a friendly is diving in to kill "your" plane, and you killshooter yourself trying to get it before he does....well, that ain't his fault.
EDIT: For the record, I hate killshooter too, but not because I die from it (I don't). I hate it because I prefer a PNG system for killers of friendly planes.
J_A_B
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What happened to me last night was a slightly different version of this same theme but I mention it because it had never happened to me before.
I usually fly an la-5 which means if I'm not inside d500, closer to d400 I'm wasting lead by firing. Last night, I spent a few minutes working in on this cons six, I checked the distance, d450, so I let out a full burst. Just as my lead started lighting up the cons wing a country mate HOed the con. As they passed he flew directly thru my lead. Although I'm usually a fan of a well executed HO, that pissed me for a minute. BUT...that's the game. I must admit I do hate killshooter, I think if your stupid enough to fly into a stream of lead you deserve to die no matter who fired it. On the other hand I'm certain the game would be totally out of control without it.
By the way, next time you have a country mate on your six trying to shoot over your shoulder, wiggle your wings a bit and try to catch some of his tracers. Might as well use killshooter to your own advantage.
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I dunno...
Why doesn't HT have killshooter affect both the target and the shooter.
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Nexus- Why do I want to get shot down by some trigger happy newbie, or two weeker who just wants to disrupt other peoples fun?
-SW
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Then add PNG on top of that... and make the targret only receive 20% damage instead of full.
The current implementation prevents obnoxious players from killing their own team mates.
What the current implementation does not address is:
1. Kill stealing
2. dweebs which run into your fire and you kill your self by accident.
Turning off killshooter so that no one takes damage... just allows gangbangers to pile on with out penalty.
Friendly collisions would be cool... but taking off would be difficult if spawn locations aren't moved.
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I say add a PNG system with friendlies taking full or almost full damage from friendly fire, except don't count deaths to friendly planes against you in the scores. This would discourage people from deliberately shooting down friendlies who "stole their kill".
J_A_B
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I think it's just fine the way it is. HTC was had to carefully weigh all the options and this system is probably the best comprosie that can be done. I've come to this conclusion in Aces High, whether I like something or not it is what it is. I try to understand it the best I can and make the most out of each situation with that information. In this situation I think its really all about SA and beleive it or not, sense beta, I have only shot myself down a couple of times. I think I jumped in front of Rude once and I felt bad about that but the game is all about having fun and if you don't feel comfortable scraping with the dogs and trying to walk away with the bone....... find another target. Lord knows there always fresh targets. Oh, and if there aren't enough targets for you..... Join the Knights! :D
Thunder
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I think I can live with the way killshooter handles fighter to fighter engagements and maybe gv to gv/fighter battles BUT I really hate dying on a jabo mission when someone flys thru my bomb blast or when you manage to drop a bomb on a gv from above gv icon range. If you don't know someone is there, there's no way you can be intentionally trying to kill them.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
and my point is that kill stealing is fine in an arena of 150, but when there's 400 it's not "cute" any more, it's disruptive.
We may not be able to apply what was "fun" in WB's and early AH in this new game.
Whether it's 150 or 400 people, if you take 20 years to shoot down a plane, then don't be surprised if you see a P-38L diving down and stealing your kill.
Ack-Ack
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The song is "A*shole" by Dennis Leary. Words adapted for AH by Spof.
I'm just a regular Spof, with a regular kite
I'm your average white trogladyte Knight
I like rotgut and porno and books about war
I've got an average base with a nice hardwood floor
My plane is my job, My squadmates aren't far
My feet on my table and a Cuban cigar
But sometimes that just ain't enough
To keep a dick like me interested
(oh no, no way, uh uh)
So I've gotta go out
and get kills at someone else's expense
(woah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah)
I fly really fast ahead of the train
While pilots behind me are going insane
I'm an amazinhunk (he's an a*shole)
I'm an amazinhunk (he's an a*shole, such an a*shole)
I use the perked planes and I piss on the seats
I fly past you to get the kill sayin "Chew on my Meat!"
I'm an amazinhunk (he's an a*shole)
I'm an amazinhunk (he's the world's biggest a*shole)
Sometimes I fly in really high places
While alt-less pilots make alt-less faces
I'm an amazinhunk (he's an a*shole)
I'm an amazinhunk (he's a real f*cking amazinhunk)
Maybe I shouldn't be stealing your kill
Ranting and raving and drinking this swill
Maybe you're right when you tell me I'm wrong
Naaaaaaa
Kinda hard to adapt the rest but you get the point ...
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Originally posted by J_A_B
I say add a PNG system with friendlies taking full or almost full damage from friendly fire, except don't count deaths to friendly planes against you in the scores. This would discourage people from deliberately shooting down friendlies who "stole their kill".
J_A_B
I think the PNG system would be just as good, if not better than the killshooter solution we now have. In 8 years of AW, I think I only went PNG twice. One time was my first night playing and I accidently shot my entire squad down while they were taking off and the second time was before AW shut down and I pickled my eggs and hit a friendly bomber fully gunned below me. That one earned me a 3 day vacation from the PNG penalty :p
Ack-Ack
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I like the chumpshooter.
it has it's uses.
:D
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You guys take this game too seriously.:)
Les
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If I jump in front of someone and kill their guy, and he blows up shootin me in the ass, that means I got 2 kills... thats better right? :)
War is hell, go to the dueling arena if you want to preserve your 1v1