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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Spritle on June 17, 2002, 11:24:33 PM
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How about bringing in a B-25H or the Hs129B-3. I know that they are pretty different aircraft considering one is a bomber and the other isn't, but hey they both had a 75mm cannon.
Neither one is a real barn burner so what say yea?
Spritle
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How about a Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII?
That'd be much easier for them to add as the 3D model is 99% present already.
Its got a 57mm gun.
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wasn't there a Me262 w/ a 50 mm?
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Yes, but only experimental. They tested it in combat, it failed and they discontinued with the concept.
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Hs129 with its neat armament options could be cool.
Different kind of gunpacks...
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We need the italian bombers used to attack malta, a CR42 and a Gloster Gladiator/ Sea Gladiator, I've been wanting to make a malta scenario :) !
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Hs 129B-2/Wa with two MG 151/20 (125 rounds each), two MG 131 and MK103 (30 rounds) under fuselage.
And some biplane would be cool...
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Difference between the 75mm in the HS129 and in the B25 is that the HS129's gun is a slightly remade anti tank ground gun, it's got a muzzle velocity of about 3300 feet per second and can penetrate about 130mm armor from 1000 meters distance (meaning it could kill every tank on the battle field easyily). On a typical pass, starting from 1000 meters away, it could fire around 3-4 rounds.
The B25H used a low velocity 75mm, short barrel slow speed of the shell, far from as effecitve against tanks as the HS129's gun. B25's guns was more a gun for softer targets like veichles and fuel dumps etc. Then again, B25 could still fly pretty well with the 75mm, the HS129 was reported to be a brick (even more so then without the gun).
I want the HS129 though :)
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Was that B25s low velocity 75mm cannon borrowed from sherman or was it just normal field gun :confused:
Ju88 P series planes could carry single 7,5cm Pak40 or two 3,7cm Flak38 or two MK103 under fuselage but ju88 isnt so agile like Ju87G and Hs129...
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These guns would be excelent anti-ship weapons, a good choice against destroyers or, if included in the future, cargo vessels.
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Well actually, JU88 would be for more agile then a HS129, speically if the HS129 is carrying a 75mm, that gun was really too big for the plane and it even had an emergency release mechanism for the gun. the HS129 should far more dammage though.
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HS129B-2 pls
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'bring the Hs-129' has been my sig. since i registered.
but it's partly in jest. i know there are more important planes that should be added first. i just built it as a model as a kid, just kinda took a shine to it.
what we really need is the He-162 'Salamader'
imagine 'Salamander' pic here!
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from the Warbirds resource group:
Hs 129B-2 Series:
Two 13mm MG 131 Machine Guns in nose.
Two 20mm MG 151/20 cannon in nose.
Various weapons were fitted inclusding 37mm BK 3.7 and 75mm BK 7.5. An interesting weapon was a battery of six 75mm smoothbore recoiless rifles that fired downawrds and to the rear. This system was fired by an automatic magnetic trigger that fired when the aircraft flew over metal objects. This system was reported to be quite successful.
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Just a quick search on the web and I found out that very very few Hs129's actually flew with the 75mm gun. It was the 30mm that got the lion's share of the tank kills. Still would be a cool plane. I would still like to see the 75mm just so you could get those one hit kills on ALL GV's.
The 75mm in the B-25H was primarily intended as an anti-shipping weapon. It was hand loaded by the bombardier. Each shell weighed in at a healthy 15 lbs. So it wasn't exactly rapid fire. But you did get the option of carrying 1,500 lbs of bombs in addition to the big gun. I imagine it would make short work of airfield hangers. On the other hand since you don't get very many rounds it's not like your going to bring down an entire base with a single B-25.
Both would be cool, with the B-25 getting the nod as a slightly more versatile aircraft, but the Hs129 being slightly more unique.
Spritle
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Not the right thread but the ME-410 B2/U4 with the 50mm flown by Lt. Fros of 2./ZG26 in the month of April 1944 had 3 kills of b-17's with the 50mm. Bring it to AH!!!!
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True Spritle, not many flew with it, it was used (with success) in combat but was really too much of a gun for that airplane, which was already, too heavily armored for the power it had (cockpit was surounded with 75mm armored glass for instance), a flying tank but a sitting duck. A near dead sitting duck with the 75mm. The Mk103 and Mk101 were used far more often as anti tank weapons.
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129s would rock!
I want one!
Only problem is can you imagine making a gun pass on an osty,m16, or even an m3 for goodness sakes! Try it with a hurri d. Its not very fun. You gotta wait til he's looking opposite way and hope you can get in before he swings gun around. The hurri d can defend itself against enemy fighters (except p38 run outta 40mm before you damage that tank) While the 129 would be a sitting duck. But no matter I want one!
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
These guns would be excelent anti-ship weapons, a good choice against destroyers or, if included in the future, cargo vessels.
Well, in real life they wouldn't be. While the B25H was designed to use its 75 mm versus shipping, it was costal shipping and anti-submarine patrols one had in mind for the gun. A destroyer is far to sturdy a ship to take much damage from a couple 15 lbs rounds.
Even your standard merchant ship could withstand a great deal of damage, especially the larger ones, altough this varied according to cargo (crude loaded tankers were rather vulnerable, for example).
That's why destroyers moved to greater calibers after 1905. Up untill then 75mm would suffice, as the destroyers of the time were about half as large as the later models (also, their primary function was to engage torpedo boats, and rate of fire was essential for that purpose). To be sure, it took a couple of hundred rounds to disable a destroyer (as proven in the Russo-Japanese war, where destroyer duels were mostly incoclusive, despite hits on both sides).
Destroyers of WWII were armed with guns from 120mm and up to 150mm. The weapon of choice for sinking destroyers were the 6'' guns of the light cruisers, firing 110 lbs shells. Still, several full hits were required to disable a destroyer.
The 75mm would however be great vs PT boats, ammo dumps, fuel tanks, GV's (all but the PIV and Osty should be destroyed by a full hit of HE from any 75mm gun), not to mention vulching :).
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Phoo21... you are attacking the GV's in the wrong way.. Try to attack from 75 to 90 deg.. "always" works for me..
Low level attacks are suicidal ;)