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Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: senna on June 18, 2002, 03:26:13 PM

Hartmans 109 would be cool for the game but we have never had a red nose 109. Hwo about Hermann Graf's 109. I've always like the color of his bird.

Couldnt find any color plates so this will have to do.

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: senna on June 18, 2002, 03:28:22 PM

No I didnt build this one but I think its a beautiful 1/48 G5. Dam perfect paint/weathering job and attention to very subtle fine details all add up to making it look very real.

Heres another picture.

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: Duedel on June 19, 2002, 03:42:52 AM

Marvelous! Ur sure this is 1/48?

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: straffo on June 19, 2002, 04:01:56 AM

In fact no Duedel the pict has been taken in my garden
If you look closely on the left you will see the wingtip of a Typhoon and on the right the wingtip of my Yak ;)

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: GRUNHERZ on June 19, 2002, 04:19:03 AM

I cant say I would be comfortable flying in a Hermann Graf painted plane.  Lets stick to the good guys like Hartmann, Priller, Nowotny, Molders, Galland, Rall, Marsaille, and Barkhorn.

However, that is the fine 1/48 scale Hasegawa Bf109G6 kit built as a G5 by Floyd Werner, a real Bf109 modeling nut. :)

Go see his and other's models at:  

http://www.hyperscale.com  

and

http://www.109lair.com

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: Hristo on June 19, 2002, 06:48:33 AM

Graff's plane ? No way...

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: udet on June 19, 2002, 07:11:00 AM

how about a red necked Me 109? :)

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: Duedel on June 19, 2002, 07:22:18 AM

I don't know Mr. Graf and his history. Could someone explain in short terms what's about him?

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: Drano on June 19, 2002, 10:32:46 AM

"Red 1" is my favorite 109 scheme. I always flew with that skin in AW. There's a skin for it available for IL-2. I had DL'd it but never bought the full version of that game.

            Drano

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: midnight Target on June 19, 2002, 11:21:47 AM

Former LW pilots turned their backs on Graf after the war due to his cooperation with his Soviet captors. Seems a little strange considering the cooperation other LW experten gave the west, but I did find this quote:

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From Major Hartmann Grasser, who was imprisoned by the Soviets along with Graf after the war -

I was hard during my prison time in Russia. I criticized another if he left the straight line. But now, I have more experience in life and a sight more tolerance. I have a better understanding of human weakness. That is why I am not hard against Hermann Graf as some others have been. I have told others of my views, because nobody ignorant of the atmosphere of Soviet confinement can judge a man's action under those conditions. I do not think it was right that Graf was pushed out of the Fighter Pilot's Association. It would have been better and more human to give him another chance. "

The guy had 200 victories in 13 months, don't see why anyone wouldn't admire this pilots skills. Unless it's because he turned out to be a lousy Nazi.

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: GRUNHERZ on June 19, 2002, 03:55:26 PM

Actually Graf was a pretty good Nazi during the war.... They made him into a great big propaganda star and he loved them. What bothers me is his postwar betrayal of his buddies and commitment to communism.  All of them faced the same pressures in captivity as he did but only the worst scum, typically uneducated ex SA and SS losers, succombed and joined the communists.

I have a passionate hatred of communism and hope to see it's last belivers die off in my lifetime.  

And the west was allied to Germany, the soviets wanted to take the whole thing over- thats the difference.

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: senna on June 19, 2002, 05:59:14 PM

Yep GRUNHERZ, I got that frm the 109 lair. Lotsa nice models there but only 109s of course.

Off on a tangent, here is the (IMO) best 1/48 F4u weather job I have ever seen. There was just this one picture of it on some local modellers website from  Australia. Saved it, good thing cas the site disappeared. Some would argue that its too much weathering but what a job indeed.

Title: Oops
Post by: senna on June 19, 2002, 06:01:32 PM

here it is...

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: senna on June 19, 2002, 06:49:53 PM

Well whatever he did doesnt really have any real impact to me. I would still build his 109 as a model if I ever do again. Fly his colors, probably. I really do like the red nose 109, oh well :)

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 20, 2002, 11:35:51 PM

If it's a red nose, it belongs to the 56thFG:D

Yep ... and shut up:p

Title: How bout a red nosed 109
Post by: Wilbus on June 21, 2002, 04:14:23 AM

Oh you P47 dweeeeeeeb get out of here! :D

Title: Re: Oops
Post by: Fishu on June 21, 2002, 04:23:28 AM

Senna,

That F4u looks like it has been recently picked up from the sea :D