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Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Saw at Work on June 20, 2002, 10:43:50 AM

For those of you holding a website who are tired of other poeple stealing your pics & contents:
(You'll need only basic HTML understanding to apply the following), this will prevent (non-advanced) users to steal your hard work easily.
Here's a little javascript that you can easily add in your pages (Also note the "imagetoolbar" metatag to add if you want to disable Internet Explorer 6.*'s image toolbar)
Do not forget to remove the comment tags (what comes to the right of the "//")

// Disables IE6 Picture toolbar


//Don't forget to activate it

//Your page Contents

Just stumbled upon this at work today, thought it might be usefull for those with their 109 pics databases :D

DISCLAIMER: It will still be possible for someone to steal your contents, but it'll make it a little less easier. (also, don't forget to disable the browser toolbar, or all he'll have to do is to look click on "View source")

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: midnight Target on June 20, 2002, 10:45:38 AM

WTH?

Most of those pics are stolen from other sites anyway!
:)

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Duedel on June 20, 2002, 10:49:41 AM

I use this one for my site. But anyway u'll never have a problem to steal pictures (Hint: drag and drop; Browser cache)

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Saw at Work on June 20, 2002, 11:08:53 AM

true Duedel, but as I stated, not a lot of poeple know how.

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Kanth on June 20, 2002, 01:10:30 PM

Here's a website with this implemented.

http://www.raindrop.org/rain/info.shtml

in IE choose


View/Source

scroll down to whatever image file you want

on this page for example :

/nfobnnr.gif

add that to the url with a / before it.

example

http://www.raindrop.org/rain/nfobnnr.gif

pull up that image by pasting url into address

and right click and save like normal.

cute little meta tag tho.

DmdKanth

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Kanth on June 20, 2002, 01:12:11 PM

What's yer website address?

=)

DmdKanth

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Originally posted by Duedel
I use this one for my site. But anyway u'll never have a problem to steal pictures (Hint: drag and drop; Browser cache)

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Saintaw on June 20, 2002, 03:22:08 PM

Kanth, yer such a twit, the object of this post was to minimise the damage, because what you just said isn't known by your average web viewer, well, it wasn't.

Some poeple, I tell ya :rolleyes:

Title: Telling People How To Steal My Images?
Post by: Brownielocks on June 20, 2002, 04:02:02 PM

Kanth,

My webstats lead me to this forum.  So I joined because I was unable to e-mail you.

I'd like to know why you disrespected me so much as to post the instructions on how to steal my images. :confused:

If you go to my site you will know that unlike most sites that are a closet gathering of stolen images off other sites, well...

my site is 98% all original artwork.

I also spend a lot of money on graphics programs, animation programs, and refernce books on the holidays and "History of.." topics.

I make no money.  I ask for no personal info so I can sell people's email addresses. I have no pop-ups to bug you. No affiliate buttons and when you find my page on a search engine for something, the stuff is there.

(I hate sites where I go there and I'm thinking, "So where is the information this search engine said this site has???"

Anyway, If you're smart enough to steal from me, you should be able to know that as a webmaster I'm smart enough to find your instructions to others also.

PS: I realize disabling the "NO RIGH CLICK" disables browsers from opening new windows.  I've just copy-pasted a new message when people right click.  I need to FTP all 430 pages over.  But, I'm trying to offer some education and humor and yet I feel I have a right to protect my originality from thieves.

Geez guys!!!

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Kanth on June 21, 2002, 03:00:58 AM

I find the best security in ignorance as well. :)

DmdKanth

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Originally posted by Saintaw
Kanth, yer such a twit, the object of this post was to minimise the damage, because what you just said isn't known by your average web viewer, well, it wasn't.

Some poeple, I tell ya :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Telling People How To Steal My Images?
Post by: Kanth on June 21, 2002, 03:04:15 AM

While yer here, maybe you should try downloading and playing some Aces High.

After you fix all of your website problems I mean.  :)

DmdKanth

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Originally posted by Brownielocks
Kanth,

My webstats lead me to this forum.  So I joined because I was unable to e-mail you.

I'd like to know why you disrespected me so much as to post the instructions on how to steal my images. :confused:

If you go to my site you will know that unlike most sites that are a closet gathering of stolen images off other sites, well...

my site is 98% all original artwork.

I also spend a lot of money on graphics programs, animation programs, and refernce books on the holidays and "History of.." topics.

I make no money.  I ask for no personal info so I can sell people's email addresses. I have no pop-ups to bug you. No affiliate buttons and when you find my page on a search engine for something, the stuff is there.

(I hate sites where I go there and I'm thinking, "So where is the information this search engine said this site has???"

Anyway, If you're smart enough to steal from me, you should be able to know that as a webmaster I'm smart enough to find your instructions to others also.

PS: I realize disabling the "NO RIGH CLICK" disables browsers from opening new windows.  I've just copy-pasted a new message when people right click.  I need to FTP all 430 pages over.  But, I'm trying to offer some education and humor and yet I feel I have a right to protect my originality from thieves.

Geez guys!!!

Title: (Sigh)
Post by: Brownielocks on June 21, 2002, 08:36:06 AM

Kanth,

I was politely  dropping a hint and asking you to delete your original post giving instructions on how to steal out of respect for me.  I guess you didn't catch on?

As you said to another poster, "ignorance is the best security."
I'd prefer people to be ignorant about stealing and wise about protection.

See my page at http://www.brownielocks.com/stopcopying.html
I'm trying to make webmasters with original photos, craft ideas, poetry, etc. a little smarter.

Only my watercolor backgrounds are free for the taking. All the other stuff is not.

I also state on my website policy page at
http://www.brownielocks.com/websitepolicy.html   that I do not steal from others.  I sort of hope to get the same in return.


But I respect your right of free speech even though it will cause me more problems.

Good luck in your Aces Games.  

Sheila aka Brownielocks

Title: Re: (Sigh)
Post by: Kanth on June 21, 2002, 10:00:41 AM

Whether you prefer people to be ignorant or not, won't prevent theft any more than my posting information, that any beginning HTML programming can figure out, will cause theft.

 But I'll tell you what, at about the same level as the code you have on your web page I will remove my post from this board.

Just close your eyes and it will be gone. :)

DmdKanth

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Originally posted by Brownielocks
Kanth,

I was politely  dropping a hint and asking you to delete your original post giving instructions on how to steal out of respect for me.  I guess you didn't catch on?

As you said to another poster, "ignorance is the best security."
I'd prefer people to be ignorant about stealing and wise about protection.

See my page at http://www.brownielocks.com/stopcopying.html
I'm trying to make webmasters with original photos, craft ideas, poetry, etc. a little smarter.

Only my watercolor backgrounds are free for the taking. All the other stuff is not.

I also state on my website policy page at
http://www.brownielocks.com/websitepolicy.html   that I do not steal from others.  I sort of hope to get the same in return.


But I respect your right of free speech even though it will cause me more problems.

Good luck in your Aces Games.  

Sheila aka Brownielocks

Title: Mars - Venus? ;)
Post by: Brownielocks on June 21, 2002, 10:44:24 AM

Kanth,

I think we're having one of those male-female =  Mars-Venus discussions because I don't think you're understanding me?  

I stated on the Stop Copying page that I know this code doesn't prevent stealing.  I tell people that.

But my lawyer said to keep it on for legal reasons.  Why?

Because having nothing there is like saying, "OK take it."

This code as you pointed out has about as much power to stop stealing as a "Do not tresspass sign" posted on private property.

The sign can't physically stop someone from stepping on private land.  My code can't physically stop someone from stealing.

But just like the "Do Not Tresspass"sign, at least the person knew that the owner of the property did not want them there. If they violate their request than they are the ones at fault.  It's like those kids who plagiarised in Kansas.  The mom claims "The kids did not know what plagiarism was."  Well, no one can come to my site and say, "Gee I didn't know Brownielocks did not want me to take her cartoons, graphics, animations, etc."


So it's not a prevention.  It's just a warning sign.  I don't claim that it will stop stealing.  I never have.  I just feel that one should not publically give stealing instructions.  I know many do it privately via e-mail of course. I also have no right how to tell someone how to participate on a forum.  I was simply ASKING!
And you answered and so that's that. ;)


BTW, Google also provides an Image Search feature so that's how most people take my stuff. :mad:  I don't like it, but I've gotta live with it.

Enjoy your games.

Title: Re: Mars - Venus? ;)
Post by: Kanth on June 21, 2002, 11:08:06 AM

Sheila,

 I think we're having more than one kind of misunderstanding. :rolleyes:

  Anyhow here is some more information on this topic that shows more of the reason why I posted what I did.

http://www.imageprotection.net/

This page puts it alot better than I did without the example.

Btw you don't have to live with Google, choices choices.

DmdKanth

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Originally posted by Brownielocks
Kanth,

I think we're having one of those male-female =  Mars-Venus discussions because I don't think you're understanding me?  

I stated on the Stop Copying page that I know this code doesn't prevent stealing.  I tell people that.

But my lawyer said to keep it on for legal reasons.  Why?

Because having nothing there is like saying, "OK take it."

This code as you pointed out has about as much power to stop stealing as a "Do not tresspass sign" posted on private property.

The sign can't physically stop someone from stepping on private land.  My code can't physically stop someone from stealing.

But just like the "Do Not Tresspass"sign, at least the person knew that the owner of the property did not want them there. If they violate their request than they are the ones at fault.  It's like those kids who plagiarised in Kansas.  The mom claims "The kids did not know what plagiarism was."  Well, no one can come to my site and say, "Gee I didn't know Brownielocks did not want me to take her cartoons, graphics, animations, etc."


So it's not a prevention.  It's just a warning sign.  I don't claim that it will stop stealing.  I never have.  I just feel that one should not publically give stealing instructions.  I know many do it privately via e-mail of course. I also have no right how to tell someone how to participate on a forum.  I was simply ASKING!
And you answered and so that's that. ;)


BTW, Google also provides an Image Search feature so that's how most people take my stuff. :mad:  I don't like it, but I've gotta live with it.

Enjoy your games.

Title: Earth
Post by: Brownielocks on June 21, 2002, 11:22:32 AM

Kanth,

I think we finally finally finally hit a balance and landed on planet earth? :)

 That's a great link. It explains in a nutshell the heck I'm dealing with.  Notice is says  "time consuming" but useless a lot?   I know one webmaster who is using the mouse-over to protect her real images.  As they say, "Time consuming."  Thus I don't even attempt it.

I also digitally watermark all my images.  I know, I know...the thieves can't see it.  But a visual watermark messes up the art as they say too.

What they do not say is that watermarking costs money!

The No Right Click at least it doesn't cost anything  (for being worthless).

I also put some of my files in the robot.txt area hoping to stop the sneaks.

I'm trying.

The programmer who finds a way to stop stealing on the net I feel will be the next Bill Gates! :)

In the meantime, such is life for us artists on-line. (sigh)

Title: Re: Earth
Post by: Kanth on June 21, 2002, 11:49:11 AM

At least you can land :)

 watermarking costs money, but so does having your work stolen.

I know what you are dealing with, and it'd be nice to see a complete solution.

Lets hope that person isn't the next bill gates. :)

DmdKanth

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Originally posted by Brownielocks
Kanth,

I think we finally finally finally hit a balance and landed on planet earth? :)

 That's a great link. It explains in a nutshell the heck I'm dealing with.  Notice is says  "time consuming" but useless a lot?   I know one webmaster who is using the mouse-over to protect her real images.  As they say, "Time consuming."  Thus I don't even attempt it.

I also digitally watermark all my images.  I know, I know...the thieves can't see it.  But a visual watermark messes up the art as they say too.

What they do not say is that watermarking costs money!

The No Right Click at least it doesn't cost anything  (for being worthless).

I also put some of my files in the robot.txt area hoping to stop the sneaks.

I'm trying.

The programmer who finds a way to stop stealing on the net I feel will be the next Bill Gates! :)

In the meantime, such is life for us artists on-line. (sigh)

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Braz on June 21, 2002, 12:24:36 PM

Er...

Can't folks just hit print screen and paste into a paint program??
If you show your work online, surfers are gonna swipe some images for their own use. The images are not origional size, so they can only make postcard sized lo-rez copies. Not likely to put you outta business.

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Braz on June 21, 2002, 12:42:55 PM

Er...

Can't folks just hit print screen and paste into a paint program??
If you show your work online, surfers are gonna swipe some images for their own use. The images are not origional size, so they can only make postcard sized lo-rez copies. Not likely to put you outta business.

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Wlfgng on June 21, 2002, 01:24:06 PM

I agree.  If you post it, it can be taken.
Not that it SHOULD.. bit it CAN.

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Brownielocks on June 21, 2002, 01:44:57 PM

Quote

I agree. If you post it, it can be taken.  Not that it SHOULD be, but it can.

Wolfgang,

Indeed.  So do you support people who inform how to steal on-line?

Isn't that almost the same as being the driver of the car during a bankrobbery?  You didn't actually rob the bank but you helped.

Physchiatrists calling it being the "enabler." ;)


And, why should artists be bullied off-line due to theft?

I see my site sort of like an art musuem.

Exmaple:  A  private collector  has an art musuem to display it for the public to enjoy rather than  keep it to himself in his house.  You go to the musuem to see the works (his collection), but you can't take them off the wall and take them home (although physically yes you can and shouldn't).

So why can't on-line artists create a virtual musuem to display their works?

It's not fair. :(

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Kanth on June 21, 2002, 02:28:51 PM

Actually no, it's more like being the Drivers Ed teacher who taught the bank robber get-away-car driver how to drive.

DmdKanth

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Originally posted by Brownielocks

Isn't that almost the same as being the driver of the car during a bankrobbery?  You didn't actually rob the bank but you helped.

Title: WHY ME??????
Post by: Brownielocks on June 21, 2002, 02:57:53 PM

Kanth,

I'm not the only site on-line that has the "No Right Click" on it.  Many have it and don't even have original content.  

So my question is this:

Why me?  Of all the websites on the web, why did you choose mine to show others how to steal from?

As far as I know, I do not know you.  So please tell me what I did to deserve being picked on?

Thanks,

Sheila

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Kanth on June 21, 2002, 03:14:50 PM

Rude, does this count for WOW or does it have to be AH related?

DmdKanth

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: midnight Target on June 21, 2002, 03:20:25 PM

I don't understand. Why are you resisting deleting the post Kanthy?

Seems like she has been very polite about asking.

Just askin.

Title: Little tool for Squad Websites designers
Post by: Kanth on June 21, 2002, 03:32:52 PM

Honestly I didn't like the "didn't catch on" and the "enabler remarks"

And I don't believe I'm putting out any information that isn't known or can't be found by anyone within 5 minutes of looking.
(no harm from me)

And honestly it illustrated my point that the code was useless.

but this seems to be really upsetting her and so I'm changing it to another unknown site that I picked off of google to continue to illustrate the point because I believe it should still be illustrated.

DmdKanth

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Originally posted by midnight Target
I don't understand. Why are you resisting deleting the post Kanthy?

Seems like she has been very polite about asking.

Just askin.

Title: Thanks :)
Post by: Brownielocks on June 21, 2002, 03:42:33 PM

Kanth,

Thank you so much.  

{{hugs}}

Title: Re: Thanks :)
Post by: Kanth on June 21, 2002, 03:51:46 PM

Is that yer hand????

DmdKanth

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Originally posted by Brownielocks
Kanth,

Thank you so much.  

{{hugs}}