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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: rickod on June 20, 2002, 01:03:01 PM
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Ive seen several posts about inviso planes lateley .
Im wondering if its the same problem WB had when ever 32 planes are visible the 33rd OR 34 OR 35 isnt ,
seems possible considering who programmed WB and AH .
Just a thought
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If that were the case, it would of happened a long, long, long time ago...
The planes closest to you will be displayed, and the others will be dots but will still have icons.
This ain't WW2Ol.
-SW
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I didnt compare it to ww2ol
this very same issue occured in wb all too often when ever we flew large buff formations we would never see the enemy fighters swoop in just the kill and buffer notice
and saying this would have happened long ago is kinda suspect as well since its only been since aw went tits up that we have had High numbers in the main .
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True- but high numbers in the main are independent of the plane view limit.
There were still very large 40+ plane furballs before the influx of new players.
I compared it to WW2Ol, because they don't appear to have an "intelligent" max view limit.. but rather one that randomly takes aircraft/humans/whatever out of view.
But I'll say this much, I've never had the invisible plane shooting me down syndrome... 50% just may be hysteria, the other 50% might be actual problems.. most likely associated with networking or not enough ports open on the PC/firewall/router.
-SW
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I agree with ya SW. Its most likely a network problem, however, not necessarliy router/firewall. I don't run a firewall during play and my cable modem isn't a Linksys router.
I think that I'm experienceing something a little different than the invsible plane deal. I've never been shot down by one however I believe I have been in an invisible state but with dots visible only.
I can almost reproduce it at will now. If I use AHVoice excessively in a busy area, I lose vox and icons and have a steady green beacon. Text still works but that is most likely due to protocol as I believe you stated elsewhere. I eventually disco after 4 or 5 minutes. If I stay off of AHVocie, it doesn't happen.
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There is no 32 plane limit. Your thought is flawed.
F.
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Originally posted by Furious
There is no 32 plane limit. Your thought is flawed.
F.
I bet $50 there IS a limitation setting, as in most game codings. Whether it 32 or 40 or what ever, but one thing you can count on it just doesn't allow unlimited viewing of all ac at once.
I think maybe your thoughts are flawed.
~A
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Oh great Furious, now look what you've done
-Sikboy
:)
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I agree with Furious - I've seen more than 32 planes at a time.
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For those who don't know or haven't read it on these boards yet, the "Inviso plane" issue/bug/problem (call it what you will) is real and reproducable. HTC was informed by at least 2 people that I know of on how to do it, 1 of which I know sent an e-mail covering this.
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Originally posted by AcId
For those who don't know or haven't read it on these boards yet, the "Inviso plane" issue/bug/problem (call it what you will) is real and reproducable. HTC was informed by at least 2 people that I know of on how to do it, 1 of which I know sent an e-mail covering this.
I'll bet your right Acid but i can bet it's both.
I assume you are ACID from AW, if so and if not
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
I assume you are ACID from AW, if so and if not
backatchya
nah...never played AW I remember when he (AW acid) joined though, I think he set his name to acidfunk but I could be wrong. :)
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Originally posted by Kratzer
I agree with Furious - I've seen more than 32 planes at a time.
Well I'm sure you have, but a realistic question would be are you guessing you saw 32 + or did you count them? Sinde we know that counting them would be comperable to counting running chickens I would say the latter is a guess.
The point is there most likely is such a setting. I know this because I used to set them in another sim. Their default was 40.
It could very well be a combination of both visibleicons, visibleplanes and or a simple kloking.
The problem I see is this, ..
I've WATCH planes go invisible in AH, literally, reapeear and disappear again. Each and every time I was shot down I asked the killing pilot what was up, NEVER once have ai ever gotten a response. Here's the kicker, there were nly 3 aircraft in the entire area. vsibleicons, and or visibleplanes or what ever it is is NOT the case.
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Somehow reply went to wrong thread....
NM
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FT_Animal,
From the proverbial horses mouth
There is no plane limit. You should see everyone.
here: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23802&highlight=plane+limit
and...
Yes an no dancer, On detail plane information yes there is still a 32 limit. But you will see All the planes with in a visible dot range .
further clarified by Hans with:
All aircraft are visible, but only the 32 nearest aircraft will get high fidelity 3D positional updates. The rest just get quick and dirty "close enough" positional updates in the 3D space around you.
here: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9711&highlight=plane+limit
My thought was not flawed. There is no 32 plane limit.
F.
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Originally posted by Furious
FT_Animal,
From the proverbial horses mouth
here: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9711&highlight=plane+limit
My thought was not flawed. There is no 32 plane limit.
F.
>>>>>but only the 32 nearest aircraft will get high fidelity 3D positional updates.
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This can be witnessed in AH film easily.
Just jump into a con that flies further away from you.. You'll notice that after a certain distance the cons position updates will start to be jumpy, updating once per second.
I think the same thing happens when 32 plane limit is exceeded.
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Ive seen several posts about inviso planes lateley .
Im wondering if its the same problem WB had when ever 32 planes are visible the 33rd OR 34 OR 35 isnt ,
seems possible considering who programmed WB and AH .
Just a thought
Rickod
Rickod presented a "32 plane limit" as a possible explanation for the invisable planes. There is no 32 plane limit. All planes in dot range are visable.
F.
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We tested this about a year ago during Sniper's memorial flyby. We had over 75 airplanes and chutes (honor guard) and GVs at an airfield. Sure enough, precisely 32 of them were visible as graphic objects, and the rest were just warpy dots, even though they were at close range. There were several player films showing this. They may have increased the limit since then, but as of Sniper's memorial it was 32.
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I just looked at my frame 4 bigweek film.
I cant count the icons because they are 1 big mass. But the numbers of dots was well over 32.
The names (in ah film viewer) I counted on the right totaled at highest 37 but not all the dots were in range. As more came in range some moved out.
I sure dont think the inviso plane thing is 32 plane limited. Heinkel has a clear solid film of it. You are just flying along and hear 2 or 3 pings and explode. Theres no one around. No one gets the kill. The 3 or 4 times it has happened to me since I have been in a AH has been the same way. More like i colided in mid air then was shot down.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
This can be witnessed in AH film easily.
Just jump into a con that flies further away from you.. You'll notice that after a certain distance the cons position updates will start to be jumpy, updating once per second.
I think the same thing happens when 32 plane limit is exceeded.
There is no 32 plane limit.
I think those of you who have experienced this have connection, firewall, router or all of the above problems. Too few have complained when you consider how many fly this sim.
If you would spend the dime and ask HT about it, I am sure he would help you all.
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In all honesty since I havent been playing lately I havent witnessed these events but I do know I would be kinda hard pressed to explain it as a connection issue since I have kik ARSE dsl with a high ping time of 10ms to the ht servers with Zero % packet loss
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The one time that it happened, for sure, in my mind. There were no other planes at all in the area. No friend or foe. I was at a back field testing something.
I will say that since threads have started. I have never had it happen again. The threat of being caught on film, maybe?
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Your connection doesn't mean squat if the server, and/or bandwidth at the server, is overstressed.
There's more than just your end in this equation Rickod. It involves multiple routes, multiple routers, and most importantly server side bandwidth... I'm almost positive the server isn't reaching "stressful" load yet... I'm almost positive, however, that the server side bandwidth/connection *IS* being stressed very hard.
-SW
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There is no Santa Claus
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I just switched from Verizon DSL to comcast cable and I'm running the cable threw a D-link 804 to mine and my daughters computer. I am having to relog because the planes just show as dots with no icons. I was in the CT asking If anyone could see me and they couldn't, nor could i see them. I was in a swarm of warping little dots and fired blindly and got a kill, although nobody saw my tracers and I didn't see any smoking plane ( just a kill in the text buffer) I relogged and then things were ok. Same thing has been happening in the MA, I do have films if anyone is interested Mainly HTC. IN last TOD 2 weeks ago we attacked the b-17 formations and was chewed up by p-47's escorts which i never saw.
So on one hand we have "quotes" saying there is NO Limit (details Vs. dots) and others that experience the opposite.
I've personally never stopped to count, but doubt "MY" computer can see more than 32 ( after that it may be dots). But will it pick up the closest dot and draw the plane? IF it takes time for the server to update , what is this update to closest plane time???? If it is a minute that would explain why I was chewed up by planes I never saw.
NUTTZ
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Rude it must be a mass hallucination because EVERYBODY at Sniper's flyby saw it and all the films showed it.
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First time we got the event areana and did the big buff mission we could see the problem. The bombers could not see the interceptors. By the time they drew all the buffs and all the escorts...there was no room for the interceptors. so they just flew through the formation unapposed.
He may have upped the limit to 64 or 128...but there was and is a limit I bet.
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Funked?
What did everyone see?