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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on June 21, 2002, 10:18:35 AM
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:D Waiting for a reply! With signature! :D:D
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How can you face yourself in the mirror you evil evil man!
sheesh.
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I think I'm gonna puke.
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Hehehe! your a good sport Mr. Tahgut! :D:D
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Thank you Ripsnort I shall love this moment for the rest of my life!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
We finally have Tahgut speaking the truth about our hero Ronny Raygun! :D
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Now, if I can only sucker...er talk Weazel into some sort of bet... :D
Weazel? You like Sooners Football? :D
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OMG target, what kinda bet did you lose to have to put that load of crap in your sig
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Capt Apathy, it could have been worse, I could have had him say Clinton was best! LOL!
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Gee fellas, it looks like my puter might be going on the blink. Darnit! It might take a WEEK to fix it!
lksdffl; lksf;k;sf f f;ldf ;sdlkf <-------see!!!!
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hehe :)
Sometimes the truth hurts :)
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O c'mon, MT, we are all waiting :)
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You are a Good Man Midnight, he sure was :D
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oh, horseshit!
JFK, all the way.
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JFK! LOL! Now I'm busting a gut! I'll save my opinions of him for another thread (Though I will credit him for one good thing, Civil rights)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
(Though I will credit him for one good thing, Civil rights)
He got more chicks than any other President - though Johnson was quoted as saying he had more women in one morning than JFK got in a year....I find that hard to believe though.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
JFK! LOL! Now I'm busting a gut! I'll save my opinions of him for another thread (Though I will credit him for one good thing, Civil rights)
JFK didn't accomplish anything with civil rights. He was a policy wonk who sweated every last detail, and in so doing he ensured that civil rights legislation was going to be tied up by Southern segregationists who were also sweating every last detail.
If you're going to give credit for civil rights to someone, at least give it where it's due. Lyndon Johnson championed civil rights reform as Senate majority leader (along with space exploration, which was his little baby long before Kennedy came along), and he shepherded civil rights legislation through the same recalcitrant Congress within which Kennedy had been unable.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
JFK didn't accomplish anything with civil rights. He was a policy wonk who sweated every last detail, and in so doing he ensured that civil rights legislation was going to be tied up by Southern segregationists who were also sweating every last detail.
If you're going to give credit for civil rights to someone, at least give it where it's due. Lyndon Johnson championed civil rights reform as Senate majority leader (along with space exploration, which was his little baby long before Kennedy came along), and he shepherded civil rights legislation through the same recalcitrant Congress within which Kennedy had been unable.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Civil Rights Bill, 1963.
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make 3 a 4 and you are right.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Civil Rights Bill, 1963.
Are you thinking of the Civil Rights Act? This was passed by Congress in 1964 with Johnson as president. It was introduced in 1963 under Kennedy, but it faced endless debate and revision. It was nowhere close to being passed when he died, and it took Johnson's leadership (and his strong relationships with Southern senators from his majority leader days) to get things done.
At the heart of it was a fundamentally different approach to congressional relations. Whereas Kennedy was a policy wonk who sweated every single line, every word, and every detail, Johnson was a big picture kinda guy. Because Kennedy insisted on exact wording, he came to blows with Democrats and Republicans alike who found fault with his administration's interpretation of civil rights legislation. Conversely, Johnson preferred to let Congress sweat the details so long as they didn't touch some of the key provisions he insisted remain in the bill.
It's funny to listen to some of the recordings of Kennedy or Johnson discussing civil rights with staff. I recall one in particular where Kennedy and his staff are going through the bill line by line making grammatical and punctuation changes. In the background, you can hear Vice-President Johnson suggest that they forego such a wasteful enterprise and just send the thing to Congress. Kennedy and his aids pause for a few seconds, say nothing, then go back to line reading again.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Okay, I correct myself, I don't like Kennedy for anything then! (that was the only thing I "held onto" for hope for that man) Hehe!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Okay, I correct myself, I don't like Kennedy for anything then! (that was the only thing I "held onto" for hope for that man) Hehe!
Ah, but now the question is... how do you view Johnson now that you know this about him? :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Honestly, I don't have an opinion on Johnson, haven't read any books on him. I do know he was far from a typical "Left wing Liberal" that we have in todays politics, so anything towards "Moderate" is fine with me.
Things I disliked about Kennedy:
Hookers at the 1960 Democratic Convention
Buying Votes in West Virginia
Illicit Relations by Government Officials
Hotel Sex Orgies
The fact he almost got the entire planet nuked!
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I bet FOR the USA in the soccer game BTW Meitla. While I lost and now have to place this sickening lie into my siggy, I am still proud of the fact that I supported our boys while someone who I won't mention...............
but his initials are RIPSNORT
................chose to bet with the Germans! Makes one wonder about Rips true allegances.............hmmmmm mmmmmmm?
:p
Still waving the flag with my left hand :cool:
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I bet with my head, not my heart. ;) (That's why I always win!) ;)
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I will exact my Pinko Lefty Liberal revenge on you. However I am bound by the pinko lefty liberal code to feel remorse afterward. :)
QUAH!
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LOL Midnight! Have a great week end, I'm off the BBS for a couple day!
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Ah, but now the question is... how do you view Johnson now that you know this about him? :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
I also might add, had I been 30-40 years old back then, early 60's, I might have been a dedicated democrat, but as my father-in-law puts it.."I did not leave the Democratic party, IT left ME!"
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FDR
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I bet FOR the USA in the soccer game BTW Meitla. While I lost and now have to place this sickening lie into my siggy, I am still proud of the fact that I supported our boys while someone who I won't mention...............
but his initials are RIPSNORT
................chose to bet with the Germans! Makes one wonder about Rips true allegances.............hmmmmm mmmmmmm?
:p
Still waving the flag with my left hand :cool:
And that's why I'm so proud of you. :)
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My real actual no watermelon favorite Pres of all time is Teddy R. He is by far the most interesting of them all, and arguably one of the smartest and most foresighted. He was THE worlds expert on a particular type of fowl (don't remember the genus, I'm sure its in google somewhere). He established our national Park system. He was a brilliant orator, even finished a speech after being shot in the chest. He was as they say "bigger than life".
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
(Though I will credit him for one good thing, Civil rights)
Johnson
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Last post for sure! ;)
I'd say my most respectible pres was Ike. 8 years of keeping those nasty Soviets at bay, he had a big set of brass ones...
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Originally posted by midnight Target
He was a brilliant orator, even finished a speech after being shot in the chest
Hhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhmm?...
and how did he finish it??....saying "help...............me?" :D
Ok ok, I am J/K
Now seriously, what are you talking about?...because I'm clueless :confused:
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While running as a third party candidate (Bull Moose Party) in 1912 TR was shot in the chest. He just held a handkerchief to the wound, and finished the speech. I believe he spoke for another 30 minutes. (all from memory, I will confirm the facts later)
He lived another 20 years after this attack.
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The real story:
Milwaukee, Wis., October 14 -- A desperate attempt to kill Col. Theodore Roosevelt tonight failed when a 32 caliber bullet aimed directly at the heart of the former president and fired at short range by the crazed assailant, spent part of its force in a bundle of manuscript containing the address which Co. Roosevelt was to deliver tonight, and wounded the Progressive candidate for President.
Col. Roosevelt delivered part of his scheduled address with the bullet in his body, his blood staining his white vest as he spoke to a huge throng at the auditorium. Later, he collapsed, weakened by the wound, and was rushed to Emergency hospital.
Shot in Front of Hotel
The shooting took place in the street in front of the Hotel Gilpatrick. Col. Roosevelt reached Milwaukee shortly after 5 o'clock and making his way through the crowd which had gathered at the station, entered an automobile and was driven to a private dining room on the main floor with the members of the party on his private car.
After dinner Col. Roosevelt stood up, waving his hat in answer to the cheers of the crowd. The assassin was standing in the crowd a few feet from the automobile. He pushed his way to the side of the car and, raising his gun, fired.
Henry F. Cochems, former athlete and Chairman of the Progressive Party speaker's bureau, and Albert Martin, Roosevelt's stenographer, seized the man and held him until policemen came up. John Schrank, who is small of stature, admitted firing the shot and said that "any man looking for a third term ought to be shot."
Col. Roosevelt barely moved as the shot was fired. Before the crowd knew what had happened, Martin, who is six feet tall and a former football player, had landed squarely on the assassin's shoulders and borne him to the ground. He threw his right arm about the manÕs neck with a death-like grip and with his left arm seized the hand that held the revolver. In another second he had disarmed him.
All this happened within a few seconds and Col. Roosevelt stood gazing rather curiously at the man who attempted his life before the stunned crowd realized what was going on.
Col. Roosevelt refused to allow doctors to examine him at first. Later, doctors made an examination of the wound and announced "Col. Roosevelt is suffering from a superficial flesh wound. Bleeding was insignificant. He soon traveled on to the Auditorium where he was scheduled to give a speech."
Bullet Perforates Manuscript
The manuscript of his speech doubtless had done much to save his life. When he had come upon the platform at the Auditorium he drew the manuscript from his vest pocket during his first few words, the torn sheets of paper, showing many stains blood, showed also that the bullet had gone through the manuscript.
"You see," cried the colonel holding up the manuscript so that the audience could see the bullet hole through the sheets of paper, "It takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose."
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Wow didn't know that...Great show of will for his part!...
But anyway ,how it was that noone took him off the place for medical attention? (I'm serious, no disrespect intended at all, just very impressed about this)
[edit] ok, your second post clears it.
Yup, the guy was really strong and had lots of will. Impressive, didnt knew that.
Is curious (and sad) to see that today ,if that would've happened, he'd been several miles away in less than 5 minutes after the attempt on his life, even if he'd not wanted it.
Says a lot about how was the world by then, and how is today :(
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Define "modern times." Most historians and political scientists view the "modern presidency" as having begun with Franklin Roosevelt.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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ROFL!!!!! Ripsnort and midnight Target!!!!! LOL!!!
Hey, I would of bet on the Germans too :)
The US squad did much better in that game than I thought they would.
If we in count 1898 as the start of the 'modern era,' my vote's on Theodore Roosevelt.
Unfortunetly, Reagan is way down on my list.
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I'm still LOL!!!!
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Tah Gut
Midnight Tahgut
VMF-101 Nightmares
"Reagan was the Greatest President Ever"
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Hehe, remind me NEVER to bet with Ripsnort! :)
Thanks you two for the awesome fun and laughs! SALUTE!!!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
My real actual no watermelon favorite Pres of all time is Teddy R. He is by far the most interesting of them all, and arguably one of the smartest and most foresighted. He was THE worlds expert on a particular type of fowl (don't remember the genus, I'm sure its in google somewhere). He established our national Park system. He was a brilliant orator, even finished a speech after being shot in the chest. He was as they say "bigger than life".
Tah Gut
Midnight Tahgut
VMF-101 Nightmares
"Reagan was the Greatest President Ever"
Sorry, but you already have Reagan as your pick as the Greatest President Ever. You can't have another pick....until you get to remove it from your signature line :)
Seriously, how long do you have to 'wear' that line? If Ripsnort had lost, would he have to claim Clinton as his Greatest President Ever choice? :)
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1 week, and I hadn't quite decided, but probably something about "Hillary for President" would have been apppropriate.
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Carter was by far the best pres. of my lifetime.
He continually gets badmouthed as being weak (not true).
The only problem with Carter was that he was a decent, morally upstanding, and kind person, and it's been so long since the American public had seen those characteristics in a politician that they where completely unfamiliar with them.
Most didn't know what to call him. So they call him weak.
He also never seemed to spend his time running down the other guy or responding to their mouth.
He just ignored them and did his job.
Not only do I think he was the best pres. Of my time, but he is the only one I’d ever be interested in knowing as a person.
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Horseshit.
Kennedy.
The fact most of yer mommys ain't a glowing cinder or you don't have a second evil head is because he refused to push the button. Neither Nixon or Johnson woulda had the balls to NOT take the military options.
Think about it.
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FDR or Reagan.
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My vote goes with FDR, though he's hardly the political master many perceive him to have been. The ill-fated court packing scheme in the mid-1930s comes to mind... that ruined him with Congress until the war broke out.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Salvador Allende, president of Chile.
Democratically elected, became target of US covert operations including sabotage, kidnapping and asassination.
Finally, in September 11th 1973, Augusto Pinochet rose up in a coup funded by the US in arms and training. Allende's last words announced to the public was:
"I address to all who now will face oppression, that I will not give up. For the people I will give my life, but I will always be with you. I believe in the fate of our country, and the fate of our people. I also believe the people will one day triumph, and the roads will be open once more, people shall walk free, and will make a better future.
For Chile! For the people! For the workers! These are my final words. I believe you will over come my sacrifice, and soon, the all the people who love freedom will open up a better society. They may think they can rule us with brute force, but we know violence and criminal act can never ultimately stop our paths. History is on our side, it is the will of the people. Someday we shall walk free, and open up a better future with our own hands."
September 11th, 10:40 PM, Allende refuses to surrender, orders the presidential body guards to leave the post and escape. He faces the rebels alone armed with only a rifle.
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Now that's what I call a real 'president - the elected leader of the people'.
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you airheads. Didnt you see that US president that shot up that mongo huge alien mothership in his F-16?
BEAT THAT!
(on a serious note, yeah, very few leaders have been like Allende, man that takes GUTS)
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Kennedy & Clinton
They both had some nice habits
:)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
[RIPSNORT
................chose to bet with the Germans! Makes one wonder about Rips true allegances.............hmmmmm mmmmmmm?
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Rip, I bet if you saw what the Germans were writing in thier Newspapers here. You would of thought other wise.;)
"Ami go home".......:(
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Define "modern times."
Most people count modern times as happening since they where born so when I was in school the 40-50 year old teachers spoke of modern times as starting around the 20's to the 40’s.
For me anything before the mid 60's falls in the category of history
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Now seriously, what are you talking about?...because I'm clueless- RRAM
This is sig material! ;)
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Because he made all the right decisions when it mattered the most, during the industrial age. America is what it is today because of the growth it had during the industrial age. Also he wasnt an isolationist type of a president back then while many others were.
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JFK?
“Things I disliked about Kennedy:
Hookers at the 1960 Democratic Convention”
whoopee, I hated this man until I knew that. That’s some serious balls. He WOULD have pulled the trigger.
Ronnie? Knock down his towers, you’d see an actor alright. As in acting on dusting off the missile tubes. He was the toejam.
For the rest of ya, yup, there is 2 ‘World’ things you can count on the USA doing. Losing gay soccer matches, and winning the world wars.
Carry on.