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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BUG_EAF322 on June 23, 2002, 10:37:18 PM
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:D no monster car but style
VW beetles are very beautiful just a pic :
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The Fuhrer had a good eye for design. :)
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Hey BUG, is that yours ?
I have a friend of mine here who owns two, one is a classic with a hardtop & the second has been modified a bit... the back is a Beetle alright, but the front comes from a 50's Rolls Royce.
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No unfortunaly not but this model and color alike is what i have
A vw1303
It's a belgian btw
It's the style i wish to see my beetle some day
gotta find me a scanner and a pic some day
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I just found out udon't need ur own website to post a pic
:D
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WHY PINK ???:confused: :eek: :D
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Bugs R Gay
:D
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rofl!
It's a long story (Back when I lived in Louisville KY), but pink is a colour I REALY dislike ! Ah well.... it's your car after all :D
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Again not mine engine but such blocks are powerfull another :)
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I think I'd rather have the Ferrari.
SOB
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Talk about style!:cool:
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Yeah that's a Hot Rod 2
:D
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Is that a Volkswagen weave?
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"Is that a Volkswagen weave?"
:D Yup, the perked version:eek:
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Originally posted by Weave
"Is that a Volkswagen weave?"
:D Yup, the perked version:eek:
ROTFLOL!
Here's a Perked German car:
(http://www.afyit.com/wc/e54.jpg)
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That is to slow get this
:D
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...I'd rather have a mini...........
:D
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Originally posted by Soulyss
...I'd rather have a mini...........
:D
My co-workers Uncle test drives cars for magazine as a living (he's actually retired, so he does it for fun, but they pay him!) Here's his review of the Mini, just received this from Marc (co-worker) yesterday:
Just drove this:
If youıre old enough to remember the Mini, then you know what this little
rascal is about. If the Mini Cooper is new to you, it might look like a
strange runt. First assumption might be be that it looks like fun but maybe
not on the freeway. Surprise! For such a short car, it will cruise smooth
and fairly quiet, belying the short wheelbase and 1.6 liter 115 hp engine.
But in the tight twisties and in heavy city traffic, the Mini Cooper is a
fine $17,000 weapon. This little bomb will put a smile on your face as it
squirts thru tiny traffic holes while you toss and twitch it on tight
mountain turns. It doesnıt really have a lot of torque so you must rev and
shift like an expert go-karter to make it shine. You do pay a modest penalty
on rough and choppy pavement since thereıs not much wheel travel available.
Pushed very hard, there seems to be a very high cornering limit with every
sign that you can trust it right to the limit. The styling and size are so
unique, it will never get confused with any other car on the road. Exterior
chrome details are almost gem like. The interior could be described as
³funky fun moderne² Everything feels very substantial. The clutch action is
gentle.....the gear shift a solid fat shiny ball. Interestingly, the Mini
never feels ³mini² from the drivers seat. A Mini cult could develop in
future years if the after market guys develop the kind of power and handling
stuff along with some fun cosmetic items. But already, this little guy looks
very ready to play in stock condition. The Mini Cooper ³S² version has more
power and a stiffer ride. Most folks might like the regular suspension with
lots more power in the future.
[/i]
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The mini is a cool little car
But.......
It's got frontwheel drive
Aaaaargh
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
The mini is a cool little car
But.......
It's got frontwheel drive
Aaaaargh
:rolleyes:
So do the new bugs;)
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The new beetle (don't call it a bug) is just a phony golf (rabbit)
for yups
:)
I never wave at em
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Like the mini or not.. you gotta love a company who's web page asks this question:
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Originally posted by Soulyss
...I'd rather have a mini...........
So would I. Here's mine:
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A gem and so is that M3 way up above.
:cool:
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Remember the base is like a cart
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Add the rest and bye bye front wheel driven cars (mini)
:D
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Bug,
I could understand your distaste for front-wheel drive cars if you weren't such a Volkswagen Bug enthusiast. There are very few cars with as little torque and as much oversteer as a bug. Of course, they switch from over to under while breaking just to add a little variety to the mix.
Front wheel drive vs rear engine... hhmmm. It even took Porcshe some 70 years to finally figure things out with the Carerra before they got a truly well handling rear engine car.
Now.. if you were comparing to something mid engine/rwd or front engine/rwd you might have a leg to stand on. But you aren't.
Bugs vs front wheel drive... bwahahahaha.
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Hey they race also with beetles
And i can tell u short city cornering is excellent (better than FWD)
from my own experience
:cool:
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They race other beatles.
And I've owned beetles bug... they don't corner better than a mini. Not even close. Not under any condition.
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When i'm in my beetle hell it's feels like a cart :D
only rain sucks (but that is with most RWD)
And yes they race only other beetles
with same engines etc
it makes beetle racing cheap&fun
there a lot of differences between beetles
cant compare model 38 to a 1303 gt bug
lower and stiffer the suspension and add wider tires
makes a big difference
I never saw i mini trying to outcorner me
Rear wheel drive basicly makes shorter corners
add weight in the back it's like having a hammer in the han
try swing it with the hammerhead in the hand than swing it with the steel.
It's needs a bit steermanship offcourse
In other words a FWD car is easier to learn
PUNT
(not for rookies)
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FWD is not easier to learn. It is different. Completely different. I've also owned other RWD cars (ones that weren't rear engine). The top notch handling RWD cars behave very similar. A tap on the brakes to set the wheels and you can use both the throttle and wheel to steer it through a corner. If you feel it starting to get loose, you let up on the throttle a tad (the better the throttle response the easier this is).
With FWD, everything goes against what is deemed natural. You get heavy with the throttle just after starting the turn and get even hevier if you start to get loose.
The only real advantage you get with RWD is that the weight transfer is to the rear wheels on high torque acceleration. But then... we aren't talking about that when we say "mini" or "bug". The mini got away from torque steering effects by making the torsion bars equal length.
BTW.. the bug is one of the worst handling RWD cars I've ever owned. It is one of the reasons I can't help but chuckle when you tout its handling virtues. EVERY FWD car I've owned would out handle it. The only RWD car I've owned that the bug out-cornered was my truck.
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LOL
nice try
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I guess nervous laughter is the best you can come up with there.
It hurts when you are talking from your heart and bump into people that would rather talk from experience. Eh?
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My 2 cents...
Rear wheel drive is really superior in terms of performance. Front wheel cars were deleloped really for the average commuter as it provides the safety factor of a natural understeer and is cheaper to produce. Once people started to race the front wheel cars they learned a few tricks and were able to make them competative with rear wheel drive cars. This however is defined by how much HP your putting on the drive wheels. Theres a point where theres too much power and weight transfer that the rear wheel car will again emerge out as the superior design. Its because the rear of a car sinks down as a car accellerates. This would work against thge front wheel drive car. At that point its a race between 4wd and rear wheel drive.
How do they make front wheel cars competetive with rear wheel cars?
In general much softer front suspension settings than the rear. Rear is set to very very stiff.
Breaking into the turns (trail braking).
3 wheeling it as well where they corner in such a way that the rear inside wheel of the turn will lift up off the ground thus causing a brief overstear to get around a turn.
In a rear engine rear wheel drive car you get the natural overstear when you lift off the gas if the car is longitutionaly off center (pointing into turn or in the turn). Sort of like an automatic overstear feature whenever you want. Rear wheel drive rear engine cars need large rear tires for racing. The old bugs used flat belly pans for a chassis which twisted and bent in all sorts of ways causing bad handeling at higher speeds. I bet any modern day high performance bug has a custom build chassis thats much stiffer.
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Front wheel cars were deleloped really for the average commuter as it provides the safety factor of a natural understeer and is cheaper to produce.
Cheaper to produce would be the key factor. Ironically... the bug set this trend with its own transaxle. Cost was the primary concern.
The volkswagen offered a cute car at a very cheap price. A car for the masses. I've not experienced anything in relation to air cooled VWs that even hints at handling/performance. A car for the masses. In that arena it excells... but to make it out to be anything else is... well... exagerating.
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Mini D, test drove a Mini cooper over the week-end, nice ride! (I have a 330ci, so no new cars for me for awhile though...) I couldn't help but notice that if I ever met one head on in my lane while driving my truck, that I may have a difficult time scrapping it off the bumper...but I digress, very fun car to drive!
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// troll mode on ...
Why arguing about FWD or RWD when you can have both ?
4WD rulez :p
I've a rather slow day at work ...
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Originally posted by straffo
// troll mode on ...
Why arguing about FWD or RWD when you can have both ?
4WD rulez :p
I've a rather slow day at work ...
Exactly my thoughts...MUUHAHAHA
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Monk.. is that an Alpha? Looks like a total knockoff of the Audi Sport (1995 or so). And yeppers.. AWD is the way to go. BTW.. any idea on how they distribute the power between front and rear? ;)
Ripsnort, Its short, but its not really that narrow (about the same as a VW Jetta). HO vs a truck is a bit unfair as I wouldn't really want to do that in your 330 either. It does come with 7 airbags (not including the wife) and is pretty solid. The only thing that raised my brow was the absense of a front radiator core support of any substance. But it does have respectable crumple zones. The main advantage is quite simply that a truck would have a hard time catching one. Its handling and braking are abilities amongst the best.
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Lancia Delta HF Integrale.
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Originally posted by Mr Hanky
Monk.. is that an Alpha? Looks like a total knockoff of the Audi Sport (1995 or so). And yeppers.. AWD is the way to go. BTW.. any idea on how they distribute the power between front and rear? ;)
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No Mr.Hanky, thats a Lancia Delta, prolly the best rally car ever built. I think that is a 93.
This is like mine the last model 94 EVO III:D :D :D
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Ah... Lancia. Gotcha. Its still an Audi Sport knock-off though;)
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Phohhhh....
Cars, why bother...
(http://www.kvtl.fi/images/potkuri.jpg)
Harppa
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Originally posted by Harppa
Phohhhh....
Cars, why bother...
(http://www.kvtl.fi/images/potkuri.jpg)
Harppa
What's that white stuff?
:eek:
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Harrpa! Long time ! Good to see your text again!
Anyway, where the fek are the brakes for that thing? :eek:
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I drive my beetle for 7 years now
I really know my car
even a civic (a friend of my) driver was amazed by it's cornering however.
The 1303 got mcpherson suspension in front and the back suspension is a way different than the 1300 types althought since i drove in some off these to. U can do some nice stuff in them too
And yes 4wd is the best u can get but RWD is most fun IMHO
The problem with the beetle is that it is under powered it can take 100hps standard no modifications neccesary
A car for the mass maybe but a concept car for the first porsches to
After all it's a porsche creation
:D
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And the engines are so beatiful :D
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Originally posted by Harppa
Phohhhh....
Cars, why bother...
(http://www.kvtl.fi/images/potkuri.jpg)
Harppa
So Harry, when I come up to Finland you gonna let me take her out for a test drive:D
I like my cars a little more substantial.
(http://home.attbi.com/~tcofield2/wsb/media/43031/graphic_pub.jpg)