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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hristo on July 09, 2000, 06:47:00 AM
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Just captured wingless tailless wonder on film :
film (http://www.angelfire.com/nt/regoch/brask1.ahf)
I do not know what the reason for this was, you conclude yourself.
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[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 07-09-2000).]
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LOL!!!
nice tricky cheater we have here!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I guess that even wingless a spitfire's wingloading is less than that of a 190A5!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
For sure was a fun view that smoking cigar turning close and being hit each pass (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 07-09-2000).]
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In WB this was caused by packet loss. The other guy never recieved the packets telling his front end he had taken hits and was damaged, your front end got them so you see a mortally wounded ac.
I would say most times people think they see a cheater or some unusual flying it's net related, about 99.9% of the time.
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Originally posted by Rock:
In WB this was caused by packet loss. The other guy never recieved the packets telling his front end he had taken hits and was damaged, your front end got them so you see a mortally wounded ac.
But pretty sure that if he fires at you then you fall in flames isnt it?
If the guy doesnt receive packets from Hristo's FE how come he was able to see his maneouvers and so try to avoid him? or is gunnery a different "packet loss" than Flight?
Sorry I still think that we have a proof of serious cheating here...unless you tell me that with no packets from hristo's FE the guy was able to see his moves. Kinda strange, IMHO.
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RAM, I never implied he was a cheater. This is just proof that those things happen.
I appologize to the pilot if this was caused by connection weirdness.
[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 07-09-2000).]
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Yep, bad connects must be. Saw this twice the other night, same sortie! Man, was I getting frustrated, shot up 2 differnt cons, thought they both were going down. Nope, they both got back on my 6 'cause I ignored them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) I logged off in anger, and came back later, things were good again.
ts
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Lets get the mob ready, and make sure that oil is boiling hot, I guess.
If you have what you think might be, possibly be, proof of cheating, send it to HTC via email.
Posting that here does not accomplish much IMO.
Cobra
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Same thing happened to zigrat, I viewed film he posted of 26 flying along smoking and wingless. Looked like a big fat stogie. Understand that it is related to connect. If you suspect someone of hacking check thier score. Seems to me they would have a high kill\death ratio.
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Problem is, when WB got hacked by busy and his buddies, at times it looked just like this. At first it was thought to be a net lag thing, and if asked he would say he had a 700 ping. Its just hard to tell the difference, but usually 99% of the time its lag. When it happens over and over to the same guy, thats when to be suspect.
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Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer (http://www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer)
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As a rule, if you see this happen... you'll also see something else happen. The person with no wings/tail/whatever will not be getting any kills. Whatever packet flow is disrupted to cause this also disrupts hits on enemy planes.
It happened to a squadmate the other night. I've also seen it before in some other on-line sims.
If a pilot is flying around like this and still scoring kills.... I'd be a little more suspicious. At the very least... he should try re-logging.
AKDejaVu
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In all sims to get this effect all it takes is to lose the packet enroute that contained the hit data, the game could be running perfectly but if a net problem coincides with the time of transmission of the packet containing the hit data then one comp sees a damaged/wingless bird and the other chap flies on oblivious to any damage because it never arrived at his end.
Its nothing to do with one comp not sending the data or the other chap choosing to not receive it, but it is everything to do with it getting lost enroute.
Anybody who thinks otherwise then please post below in less than 100 words why you think the internet is problem free 100% of the time, and be aware 99.9% of people will be able to post saying the opposite (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Also this game is played worldwide, errm i know that may come as a shock to some of you living in the USA but the world does not end at your borders (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) so it could easily happen you are firing at somebody on the other side of the planet and possible packet loss increases dramatically.
I also dont think Hristo was suggesting it was a cheater RAM, you are maybe being so eager to agree with everything you think Hristo does or says that you are in danger of losing your objectivity.
Its never good to accuse anybody of cheating in open posts, take your time check if others are experiencing the same effects with the same player and then be absolutely sure because if your wrong you will have started a witch hunt on some poor sod whose only crime is living a long way away or having a crap ISP.
Specifically for AH i say if some of you repeatedly experience the same effects with the same player then contact Hitech with your concerns and i am sure they could monitor the player in question.
But wingless planes still flying to me is no real concern until somebody guarantees 100% connection quality, sure its a pain in the bellybutton cos you gotta hit em again and may be wasting ammo, but no big deal.
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Skuzzy can probably explain this better, but UDP does not guarantee packet delivery, whereas TCP does.
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Originally posted by 214thCavalier:
I also dont think Hristo was suggesting it was a cheater RAM, you are maybe being so eager to agree with everything you think Hristo does or says that you are in danger of losing your objectivity.
Ahem...Sorry sir you are COMPLETELY wrong. COMPLETELY. I said that IMHO that was a proof of cheating, nothing to do with what hristo thinks or says. You say that the film isnt a proof? ok. Great. But again I have my OWN opinions and I know to THINK by myself.
I am deeply offended with what you said there, I may agree with Hristo in many things but for sure I wont follow him like a bloody stupid sheep! whenever I think he is wrong I say it, whenever I think he is right I say it...
and all by myself.
We, for sure,share a lot of points of view. but one thing is to share a point and other thing is to have one point and then change it if Hristo thinks in other way. And i NEVER did that.
Never EVER! dare to say something close to that to me again. and I mean NEVER!.
I may be young but I am not stupid. Damn it!
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 07-09-2000).]
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Cheating is a bad rumor, and it can seriously effect the business at HTC. If new players read your nonsense and don’t know who you are and that you’re a sniveling crybaby, they might think there actually is cheating going on. Not good PR.
RAM, you are a complete idiot.
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Originally posted by Creamo:
RAM, you are a complete idiot.
Uh,yeah creamo. I love you too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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I had the same thing happen to me...andit was AK's squadmate...a great sport and good stick...he floated around for a good 2-3 minutes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) in the "twilight zone"...now it was obvious he was having problems (dogfighting ghosts etc).
Histro's seems very different, but I don't know if you can accurately label it. As I said in an other post i'm only aware of 1 documented instance of cheating (on AW). In that case the code was doctored so incoming hit packets were diminished...and outgoing packets at 10x. In addition was a warp on demand feature. this was an actual modification (a patch) to AW exe.
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I can PROVE that this is not cheating! The first day that I signed up for the pay version of aces high, I was flying a P38 or P51. I attacked an enemy B26 flying near one of my bases. Low 6 attack. I shot off his wings and tail. He kept flying like nothing was happening. I turned on my gun cam and kept giving chase. I followed him some more and fire some more burst into him. He started to fly towards one of my bases so I emptied my guns into him. He went into a nose dive and crashed. If he was a cheater, why did my last burst kill him?
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AFAIK there is only a real cheat in AH, and it is implemented into the sim code: The
Hispano guns.
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
AFAIK there is only a real cheat in AH, and it is implemented into the sim code: The
Hispano guns.
And maybe subliminal messages via the private channel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
- Jig
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Ram you are of course entitled to your own opinion on all matters and i would fight for your right to express them as hard as i would my own, so if your views on the film have not changed then i will just agree to disagree on the subject.
I think though that as you gain more online time and experience of various sims you will come to understand that to say that was a cheat was in fact an error of judgement.
Also the sentence you took exception to started with "maybe" and you have certainly refuted it vigorously (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But this was a bit pointless tho ..
Never EVER! dare to say something close to that to me again. and I mean NEVER!.
Now if i lived next door to you i might take that slightly more seriously, but as it is i figure the worst you can do is shoot at me in AH so no big deal plenty of others already do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Anyway no animosity towards you here Ram just disagreeing with your views on the film.
My next post might well be to defend you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by 214thCavalier:
Also the sentence you took exception to started with "maybe" and you have certainly refuted it vigorously (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yes I wont accept even a "maybe" in that concern. I took your post as an offense, maybe it wasnt (sure it wasnt), but if there is something i dont like to hear at all is something like that.
Now if i lived next door to you i might take that slightly more seriously, but as it is i figure the worst you can do is shoot at me in AH so no big deal plenty of others already do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If you lived next door to me you'd have just the same problem as here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) that wasnt a menace, as all you'd get from me wouldnt be anything bad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...well it would be me taking you as another Creamo, and I think that is bad enough (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Seriously no menace there. jsut an asking: dont suggest that again...please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Anyway no animosity towards you here Ram just disagreeing with your views on the film.
My next post might well be to defend you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) no anymosity here too, I posted that angry and offended. You didnt mean an offense, so it is OK (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
S!
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That's nothing I've seen and was shot down by a La5 from the twilightzone.The La5 had no wings or surfaces was a flaming COMET but flew around for a good 3 mins with hard turning and still shoot'n.I watch that La5 take 5 30 mm rounds from one bloke and about 40 20 mm from me.I recieved film(from dude in 109 that shot him too) of said encounter and saw all the hit again.lol RIGHT AFTER ME AND I FORGOT 109 GUYS NAME WERE RANTING OVER CHANNEL 100 ABOUT IT ops caps.Then I heard HT say BYE-BYE Torq and he booted me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) Since that day I never say anything about twiligthzone thingys, play the Sim enough you'll see it all.Hmmm one ponders if the Internet is a woman...... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)maybe Inhernet..
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Torque, the flaming comets I've been close enough to shoot and hit acted the same way. Emptied my clip in to them and they just flame on.
Haven't seen any in AH yet, but in some other sim I've seen a dozen or so.
I've taken off with team mates smoking and flaming from the get go. Give em a yell, Hey your on fire/smoking. They don't see it and no one else does either.
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I've seen plenty of internet crazy stuff in my experiences in these simms. Been killed by flamers and the whole bit.
When ya get killed by a flamer try to be cool about it. The chances the guy is cheating are pretty slim.
I was flying the other night, had a spit in my sites, he warped, I followed, killed him, looked at my beacon, red. Got on channel 1 and apologized for the warp, landed and relogged.
Like torque said, the web is like a woman, very unpredictable. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Of course the Internet is 100% reliable ! This "packet loss" is a secret plan by Microsquash. The OS automatically checks to see if you are running a competing software and if so, inserts random errors. This was previously thought to be the Intel "Floating Point" CPU problem. I have run AH on Linux using the "Wine" emulator and have not had this problem occur !....
Also IMHO "RAM" is not stupid....
COMPUTERS HAVE RAM.
MORE RAM="FASTER" COMPUTER
BEING SMART IS SOMETIMES CALLED "BEING QUICK"
RAM IS QUICK.
HENCE RAM CANNOT BE "STUPID"
Regards,
Snoopi
P.S. The previous statement in no way reflects reality, and is meant as humour.
I think all forum members should drink "Wine" and if uptight.. repeat until no longer uptight or sleeping.
P.P.S. The previous statement in no way reflects reality, and is meant as humour.
I think all forum members should drink "Wine" and if uptight.. repeat until no longer uptight or sleeping.
P.P.S. The previous statement in no way reflects reality, and is meant as humour.
Myself or my fellow canines should be held responsible for our statements. If you attempt to do so, me and my bro Spike will pee on your leg.