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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Voss on June 25, 2002, 02:22:34 AM
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I know exactly who it is, too.
Just five minutes ago I was looking for ground targets to attack when I popped into A43. It was capped pretty tight by the knights, so I was checking out the situation to see if I could risk a sortie. From outside view from the tower I watched the Vehicle Hangar explode with no aircraft in view. That's possible I suppose, if an buff was above 30k. I looked and couldn't even see a dot up there. So I panned around and watched as rockets came from nowhere (again). I started film rolling, but once again it doesn't show anyone that wasn't visible.
I presume HTC knows who this guy is. I believe I still have film of him running his mouth off about how easy it is to do.
Very uncool, and I intend to make him suffer in my own way. :D
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"I presume HTC knows who this guy is. I believe I still have film of him running his mouth off about how easy it is to do."
Why bother posting about one person taking advantage of a known problem and not give thier name?
Westy
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If he was doing it on purpose and bragging about it, this person should be handled differently than someone it happens to "accidentally".
Who was it?
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Voss, I'm curious to find out if it's the same guy that did it to me.
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No, it's not the same guy. I'm sure HTC can check the logs (radio buffer) and find the culprit. I don't know if they log object damage by user name, but that would work too.
I didn't post his handle, because I want him online when 1.10 comes out.:D
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I don't play in the Main Arena, so maybe I don't really know what I'm talking about... But is there really even an "Invisible Bug" or is it just someone who got shot down, didn't see the guy behind him, or a warp, and now everyone thinks they got shot down by an "invisible plane" when the other really just guy warped or snuck up behind him.
So is it really a bug? or just lag and everyones imagination?
But like I said before, I don't play in the MA so I may not know what I'm talking about but I've never noticed in the H2H.
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it is a bug don't remember the details but people described (on both ends and to those that did bring it up when it happened to them i commend u for your honesty). apparently what happens is the person's plane becomes invisible to everyone else and people around them appear as distant object even though they're near (can tell by the range under their icons i think). so they can pretty much go around blowing stuff up and not getting caught IF they abuse it.
one more thing i don't think it originated in AH related but has something to do with a recent software upgrade that they use for LANs or something. on the other hand HTC i'm sure is looking into this trying to fix it.
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In H2H I heard hits on my plane like someone was making passes at me. This was for about 5 passes. The strange thing was the "hits" did no damage at all. This only started after the last upgrade.
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It is a real bug and HTC has a real fix coming in 1.10.
However, it has recently reached legendary status on the excuse chart.
And there are different ways the invisible plane seems to hit. I've had the "damage, damage, Dead... no credit" version of the invisible plane hit me.
I've also had an invisible plane attack me and cause damage... only to auger near me while I was landing... giving me credit for a proximity kill (have a good film of that one). I spoke with the gentleman that was flying the invisible craft and am quite convinced that was a connection issue.
Enough people have claimed to be present when an invisible C-47 dropped troops for me to believe there is some merrit to that.
The thing is... enough C-47s are shot down that its difficult to believe these are anything but isolated (well.. semi-isolated) incidents that rarely occur. If someone has figured out how to manipulate it... he's definately in the minority.
Unfortunately, the assumption will now be that anyone experiencing this bug is doing it on purpose.
That is how harmfull this kind of thread is. The author should have just taken a snapshot of the situation and sent it (preferably with film) to HTC instead of coming here for some kind of reaffirmation.
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Oh Come on MrHanky, don't you know that the whole purpose of this BBS is so that folks like Voss can be the Judge, the Jury AND the Executioner? :D
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Could I be mistaken? Certainly.
This is how my experience with it happened...
I'm flying NOE in a Mosquito enroute to an enemy field. Hangtime at my high left at about 2.0 k away. I've been killing sneaky goons all evening, so my eyes are really open for any enemy cons, high and low. I think my SA is pretty good, but I also know that the Mossie isn't exactly a goldfish bowl when it comes to visibility. Anyway, Hang and I had been giving each other check 6's back and forth thru the range voice channel.
Suddenly I hear the sound of a speeding engine closing on me... I check all around, but see nothing. Then, BLAM! My plane is in two pieces, and within a second I bail and open chute. For the next 20 seconds of silk-riding, I am looking in EVERY direction to find what it was that killed me... nothing for miles, except for Hangtime. I asked him if he saw what got me, but he said "nothing, you just exploded"
The text buffer gave me my killer's name, so I asked him where he came from... no response.
Now I concede it could very well be poor SA, but I really don't think so. I don't automatically make assumptions of cheating when I'm shot down.
Anyway, I remember the guy's name, and I'll be keeping my eyes open.
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Lol, Rip, I'll add you to the list too. :D
This particular individual is well aware of how to do it, has bragged about it, and continues to exploit it. He deserves what he has coming.
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Originally posted by Voss
Lol, Rip, I'll add you to the list too. :D
OH NO!
(http://216.40.201.38/contrib/sarge/Guillotine_anim.gif)
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if its gonna be fixed then you should tell us all how to do it - then the room would be even, it'd look like CT before 2200 est :)
Can't be a big deal - didn't see:
"Invisible Plane - 2000 kills"
in the "What are u doin most your killin IN?" thread :)
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Anatidaephobia: the fear that somewhere, somehow, a duck is watching you.
lol i thought u made it up so i checked it out. yes people there is such a word and that is its meaning :)
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I "think" it could have happened to me the other day. I rolled up on 2 or 3 differen't planes, twice was the same guy. All in a single flight mind you... and it was like they never had any idea I was there. As I approached one of the 190's, he was manuevering in such a way that it looked like he was getting a good handle on his SA or at least trying to look below/behind him. I fully expected the 190 to go into an immediate dive but he just leveled out and flew straight with me closing from 1.2k. This was the second time I'd killed this guy (in almost the same way) and he started trying to tell me something over channel 1. Unfortunately I have no idea what language he was using and didn't understand a word... Anyway... I relogged just in case.
Tumor
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Yes, the bug is real and is exploitable by anyone using a LinkSys router..........
(and no, I don't have a LinkSys router...I don't have a router at all)
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Yup.. I wuz there; Dux waz zapped by an invisible plane. Timing, distance and view were spot-on.. one moment he was my low off my right side, the next he was doin a nylon letdown. Not even a distant dot in the area.. jut Dux confetti and "WTF WAS THAT??!!"
I flew on about another 3 min then "WTF!".. he got me too.
When is someone gonna tell us how to do this.. there's a few places I'd like to visit with an invisible plane! I'd share the secret will all other bishes and start puttin up invisible missions. :D
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Yes the ivisible planes do exist. I hope HTC can fix it soon.
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names, names, names !!!!!!!!!!
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The Con is only 4 weeks off, right?
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Dux,
Did you see tracers?
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I got close to him tonight, but there were at least thirty knights between us.
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IMO the community really does need to know who these folks are who willfully take advantage of a bug such as this. To keep thier identitie(s) shielded is corrosive to AH's reputation, erodes the foundation of the community and the lack of allowing appropriate humiliation and degradation to be heaped upon these turds will only serve to promote future bug exploitation.
Westy
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yes, name the invisible scum
public humiliation is a good thing :)
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or make him taste his own medicine...make everyone else invisible to him ;)
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lol, Dux confetti... :D
Mino, I honestly can't remember if I saw tracers or not... I'm tempted to say "no" but it all happened very fast.
I definitely heard his engine, though.
ps. Westy... I still have the slightest smidgen of doubt that it might be an innocent connection issue... if so I would really hesitate labelling a person as a cheater. I checked the guy's stats... it's not like he's really profitting from it.
Stay tuned, I guess.
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I am not saying that there aren't invisable planes
as there are but :
I',m sure a few are down to the 'ALT i' icon command.
example:
I like to check what people/squadmates are flying using the 'ALT I' command and on a couple of occations I have stupidly forgotten to put icons back to 'Normal' I might have only friendly icons displayed for instance, result: some guy below you is very hard to see as hi doesn't have the big red icon over him pops up behind you with his tracers disabled and BAM your dead and you think you've been got by invisable plane :eek:
I come across a few people who dont now this command, so remember check message window says 'normal icons' if you use this command :)
just thought I'd say as I haven't seen this raised before, thanks
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Eh, I hear ya Dux. I'm refering more to the type Voss mentions who runs thier mouth off on how easy it is to do on an open channel. In thier quest for the brief notoriety and negative attention they get IMO they should also have to suffer a public tar & feathering session.
All IMO of course :)
Westy
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Last night I witnessed the recent inviso plane bug thing for the firts time on two seperate occasions. They simply blew up for no reason. One was an enemy and one was a friendy. The enemy was stalking me and then simply went BOOM! at the same instance someone got a kill elsewhere in the arena. Same with the other incident. Did not observe any tracers and they did were not engaged in combat with any other AC.
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Point him out Voss, I have 5 nose guns that could give him some loving :D
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OK if ya want a name here is one
The town was blowing up rockets coming out of nowhere and invisible goon dropping visible troops.....Then boom i got a proxy on a enemy plane nowhere in sight... "You shot down TEDGOLD"
there.
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ah. I knew it. Kurt Tanks AH personna.
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No show.
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Hey! It's a start! The guy has suddenly found a new interest in flying C47's too. Wonder why...
Westy
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Originally posted by Dux
lol, Dux confetti... :D
Mino, I honestly can't remember if I saw tracers or not... I'm tempted to say "no" but it all happened very fast.
Dux, Why are you asking Mino? That's like asking the Fox how many chickens are in the hen house.
1. Mino doesn't use tracers.
2. Mino was a member of Seal Team 6 during the Carter years. To date he refuses to tell anyone how he lost his eye. Something about national security mumbo jumbo. Anyway, he uses the American with Disability Act (ADA) as the rationale for the Visual Impairment Mitigation codes (he refuses to call them cheat codes).
3. I personally know Mino and he has no less than $100K of computer equipment in his home. He is one of those guys who is online when walking through the park. He has some sort of heads up display on his eyeglasses... over his good eye. He works online at home and has huge off-shore accounts (Cayman & Vanuatu). ;-)
4. If the IRS hasn't caught him yet, HTC doesn't stand a snowballs chance. He is too good at what he does best. He probably hacked in the VIM codes for HTC. He is a really nice guy and if you e-mail him he will tell you the VIM codes (especially if you have 1 eye). I am using the stealth goon all of the time. So when you see troops materialize out of thin air it is me. Cogen ;-)
5. All I know is he has a devil of a time driving his Lamborghini on St. Lucia because he has one glass eye and there are not enough straight stretches to really put the V-12 through its paces. ;-)
6. I know that the Oarsman has been really buttering Mino up so he can get some of the VIM codes. Oarsman only has 1 problem. His good eye is the opposing eye to Mino's and that really bugs Mino. But it helps when Oarsman is driving his McLaren, because it's unique driver's position. ;-)
7. Before Mino hacked in the VIM codes he was flying with Chuck (you know Chuck Yeager) and developing his preferred methods of killing virtual aircraft. ;-) this one is real
HEHEHEHEHE
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If you found a cheat then you have a duty to HTC and your fellow players to get the evidence and post it to HTC, do you really think you hunting this person down and shooting him down a few times is going to make him think "oh I've been such a bad boy but I've learnt my lesson now Mr Voss"?? :rolleyes: If you saw him bragging about it he knows he's doing it and should be booted out of the game or at least have his account suspended for a while.
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Revvin, if that's what you thought I meant, then you are sadly mistaken. Oh, we still have to kill him. That's a given.:D
I was assuming HTC keeps radio chatter logs, but I could be mistaken. He's been online recently, so I assume the best solution is to let the release of v.1.10 fix it up.
You have a great idea there, though, bud! A little public humiliation might very well hit the spot. It's just not the way things are done on the UBB.
:cool:
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Sorry for the misunderstanding, I think you have taken my post the wrong way also, I would never advocate a witch hunt on here I meant to forward the evidence you have, screenshots etc to HTC directly not via the board.