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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RRAM on June 25, 2002, 05:53:44 AM
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Apart of the planes already perked...All cheap perks ...most at 10 pp, some lower, to 5pp -the 109G10, or the P47D30 for instance-
La7
P51D
109G10
190D9
N1K2
P47D30
Ostwind
Bassically all the planes (and vehicles) first fielded after February'1944.
I'd like to see a Yak9D so the Yak9U also goes into perk planeset with the ones avobe mentioned.
Why?. Well, to perk those would make the arena a somewhat safer place to very early stuff such as C202, 109E4 or Spit I. They still would be out of place but not so hoppelessy outclassed.
It also would mean a more balanced planeset quality-wise. IMO; of course :)
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Perk'em ALL!!
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I agree with RRAM, except that if you don't add the Spit IX to that list, then the Spit IX would probably be responsible for, oh, 80 or 90% of the kills in the arena next tour.
I just started flying in the MA regularly again so that I can get some combat time in the Ki61, and if you add the Spit IX to RRAM's list it would cover virtually 99% of the fighters I've run into.
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spit IX is a 1942 plane. As much as I hate it (and believe me, I DO hate it), I can't add it into that list because it doesn't belong to it. :)
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Isn't this post getting a little old?
I mean this idea is posted about 3 times a week, by the same 10 guys or so, who won't let it go.
I think you've made your point, and if HTC is interested they'll do it. And the community has heard it too. Either they're with you, or they're not.
All you do, by posting it over and over again, is to turn some of the middle of the road people against the idea, because they get sick of it being shoved down their throats.
Do you honestly think that if you post it enough times you'll force HTC to implement it? I think it has the opposite effect myself.
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Verm one thing you must understand is that I've not been paying attention at all to the general forum of AH until some 2 weeks ago. I've been looking at the o'topic and Aircraft and vehicles forum, but not at the other ones.
I had no idea this had been posted so many times before in this forum. I know is not exactly a new idea (I recall talking with StSanta about this some months ago), but I had no idea it had been discussed so many times.
I just thought it would be a good idea to propose, nothing else.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
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The Rolling Perk Set was a good idea but not for all unfortunatly ...
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Look into my eyes, Verm... you are getting sleepy...sleepy....your eyelids are becoming very heavy.... now repeat after me....
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Not a big deal to me, as I usually don't fly the MA, but intend to spend more time there in the coming weeks, combing for IJ pilots.
It does strike me as a reasonable idea to promote more variety in the MA. I'm curious, has HTC ever commented on expanding perks to promote variety?
I *think* the official HTC policy regarding using perks is to set them at a level to keep rare planes rare (e.g. Me262, Ta152), and to keep one plane from dominating the arena (e.g. F4U-1C). I'm back in the MA after an extended absence, and I see the same 3 fighters dominating the arena. Newbies probably logon and see them everywhere and decide they have to fly them also to stay competitive, and thus a feedback loop is created.
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To elaborate on this idea, why not have both a rolling plane set AND perked planes?
(Apologies if someone has already posted this idea)
It'd work like this:
All planes are available the first "Early Plane" week, but all those not an early war plane is perked(only 39-41 are not perked) The "perked planes" this first week would still be available, but at a low cost. Then the 2nd week of the rolling plane set, the 39-43 planes are "unperked" but late is still perked...then 3rd week 39-44 planes are "unperked", then the last week ALL planes (except maybe 262) are unperked(39-45). This gives us a RPS AND Perk plane capability.
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Not a bad idea rip, but I fear it would upset a lot of people :rolleyes: The anti-perk crowd and the anti-rps crowd. So now were not discriminatory.....we piss off most everyone :D
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Well, low cost perked aircraft won't tax their Perk Pocket book too badly, so it wouldn't be a 'spending issue' and seems suitable for those who wish to have everything available to fly. Remember, in the true RPS, NO planes are available until the historic time table week comes around, in this scenario, ALL planes ARE available, just at a lower cost, that is until their respective historic time table week comes up, then they're free. This allows us to fly some of the late war planes in the last week, FOR FREE, like Spit 14, Tempest, etc.
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Ripsnort, I'm trying to find an argument to this idea. I haven't come up with one yet. You may have something here.
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RAM, I'm just trying to point out that this idea has been around for a long time, and that continuous posts on the issue might just have the opposite effect your looking for.
While I'm admittedly a very vocal opponet of any form of the RPS, I'm middle of the road on the "perk the 1944" planeset issue.
I'm not really against it, but I don't think it would have the effect your looking for. Your wanting too fly more early war planes and for them to be in a more competitive environment. But the idea is flawed.
So lets perk the planes you listed. Whats going too happen?
N1K2 the pilots will just move to the Spit IX and the Spit V. Total effect on the arena will be nil in regards too gameplay, but you'll just see alot more "Spit" tags around.
La7, P51D, 109G10, 190D9, P47D30 (and I'll add the Fw190A8, F4U-1D, and the Yak-9U too as they fit into the sae category) are now perked. So what replaces them? Now we see just more of the next "fastest planes". You'll just see the F4U-1, P-51B, P47D11's, and 190A5's replace them. They do the job just as well, as any of the experienced pilots will tell you.
What the planes you want perked can do to the standard arena turn fighters, the planes I listed will do just as well and be just as effective with the same tactics.
All you'll be doing is trading one set of icons for another. Tactics won't change, and the early war planes will not be any more useful. You'll just have one more level of "perks" built in.
So when that doesn't work, the whole "lets have a RPS" issue will crop up, and THAT is what I'm totally against, and I will do everything I can to stop that from ruining AH like it did too WB's.
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Rip's "idea" is nothing new.... something like this was posted a year or more ago... listing particular planes on an excel spreadsheet that would be free with other (later) planes being given perk costs.
-SW
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I'm getting tired of the "Perk this / Perk that" threads too.
I hardly ever fly perk planes... I kill perk planes just as easily as I kill all the non-perk planes. La7s and N1k1 are nothing special.
I really think you perk-whiners are making a big deal about nothing.
I would rather HTC spend their time adding more planes and enhancing the features of the game.
The best solution to the problem you perk-whiners are trying to solve - is not to perk the rides, but to have a rotating plane set based upon year. Every two hours of game play represents one year of the war - voila no need to perk.
WB had this feature - been there, done that.
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I'm too lazy to make my own comment :)
But if you do a search on Rolling Perk Set you will find plenty of discution about this setup ( if I've understood correctly...)
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First, I don't mind the idea, but then I like the pure rolling plane set, too. The rolling perk method, however, would seem to favor long-time players who have a few perks to burn without worrying too much about it. Players with a nice stockpile of perk points would fly around in their normal late-war rides taking advantage of the new players who are carefully hording their points waiting for that day they can afford a Spit XIV :rolleyes:
Don't get me wrong. I for one don't mind the seeking of ideas to add a little variety to what we see in the MA. I like the idea of the CT, but it's not populated enough to hold my interest for long. I've never flown in a RPS environment, but it doesn't sound too bad. I also understand the "I've paid to fly what I want" argument. But discussions like this are where new ideas come from and sooner or later a workable idea will pop up.
HaMmeR
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Hitech won't do a rolling plane set IMO.
IT was an experiment gone horribly wrong.
RPS was the single handed cause of more whineing than any other single issue for warbirds for 3 years!
HT came up with the perk plane system as a direct
defense against the RPS.
Disclaimer, HT has not told me this word for word.
But it is knowledge gleemed from a lot of things he's said over the years.
Give up the RPS idea guys, he won't do it.
Lobby for lower perk prices for seldom flown planes. Lobby to perk planes that are overflown. Those he'll listen to.
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1941 planes are free in Rip's proposal. *checks dates* Spit V is a 1941 plane...
I'm all for it! :D
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PERK THE P47 D30???? ARE YOU INSANE MAN!!!!!!!!
Avid
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Personally, I dont mind the perk sysytem, it just needs to be fine tuned is all ie. perk all the planes with low env value N1K, La7 , and Spit 9 fit into this class for sure. Never undrstood why Chog got perked, yet the spit9, N1k, and La7 didnt, all 4 have more strenghts than weaknesses..perk em.
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Perk LA7(speed and 3 canons, turns good too), G10(UFO climb and speed), D9(speed and acceleration), N1k1(turn and 4 canons).
Don't perk P51D, I know it's fast but it was available in great numbers and doesn't carry any pingpingcrack canons.
Don't perk typhy, even if it has devastative canons and ubber speed, it's stall characteristiques make it useless to the comon turnfighter.
Perk the D30? heuuu ... Half of the planeset outrun it, the other half outturn it, some do both... all outaccelerate it and outclimb it. I think you want it perked because of it's load out. I don't think it's necessary, the pilot who goes hvy pays the price ... it's like a 25k B17 mission, it takes you for ever to reach 13k and you have to jettision everything if u encounter a single fighter between your base and the target.
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Maybe instead trying to come up with ways of force the people who fly the Niks, LA-7's and Spits for their $14.95 a month we need try to come up with a better reward for using the high ENY value planes.
This reward would have be something tangable that even those who are not so good can aspire to. I suspect that the balance of people who play the game generate 10 or less perks per hour of play. (It would be interesting to know the true number.)
I admit I've no idea what this reward might be though.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Perk LA7(speed and 3 canons, turns good too), G10(UFO climb and speed), D9(speed and acceleration), N1k1(turn and 4 canons).
Don't perk P51D, I know it's fast but it was available in great numbers and doesn't carry any pingpingcrack canons.
Don't perk typhy, even if it has devastative canons and ubber speed, it's stall characteristiques make it useless to the comon turnfighter.
Perk the D30? heuuu ... Half of the planeset outrun it, the other half outturn it, some do both... all outaccelerate it and outclimb it. I think you want it perked because of it's load out. I don't think it's necessary, the pilot who goes hvy pays the price ... it's like a 25k B17 mission, it takes you for ever to reach 13k and you have to jettision everything if u encounter a single fighter between your base and the target.
Reason for my perk list was inservice date, not performance. P47D30 is a very very late'44 plane, and P51D is contemporary to 109G10 and 190D9. As such, both are included in my list.
P.S. I like Ripsnort's idea.
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So....we want to restrict the planes that give newbies a fighting chance, to players who have mastered the game sufficiently to accumulate perk points?
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The only real, perkable plane i have seen in this game is the jet.
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Oh ok Ram, then you also need to perk
A6M5b Jan-44
Fw 190A-8 Jan-44
Fw 190F-8 Mar-44
Yak-9U Mar-44
F4U-1D Apr-44
P-47D-25 Jun-44
F6F-5 Jul-44
P-38L Jul-44
if you wish to stick with the P51D with a 3 month range
P-51D Mar-44
Popeye, I ear you, but flying a Spit Erzatz will not teach you how to fly in AH anyway. I'd say the best school is the P47
:D. When I fly a spit like now or a very fast plane, I say WoW ... cool. :cool: Everything looks easy, except my gunery who still sucks.
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Osti might not be a bad idea.. everyones killed by list is topped by that dealer of death. Plus we need a vehicle perk.
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I think they should perk Fester's hairdryer to at least 1000 .. or award 200 perkies just for shooting it down :D
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Originally posted by HFMudd:
Maybe instead trying to come up with ways of force the people who fly the Niks, LA-7's and Spits for their $14.95 a month we need try to come up with a better reward for using the high ENY value planes.
This reward would have be something tangable that even those who are not so good can aspire to. I suspect that the balance of people who play the game generate 10 or less perks per hour of play. (It would be interesting to know the true number.)
I admit I've no idea what this reward might be though.
How being able to actually spend the perk points you win and have fun at the same time? For most players taking off in a F4U-4 Corsair, Spitfire Mk XIV, Ta152H-1 or Tempest Mk V is a death sentence. They aren't good enough to survive the gangbang that the icons call in on them, and it isn't fun to pay hard earned points to experience your own personal gangbang. Because of that perk points are quite worthless as a reward as things stand now, and that makes the high ENY vs. low ENY choice moot.
Make perk points fun for the non-Festers to spend and ENY values might matter to the general mass of players.
The F4U-4 Corsair's icon is F4U4, it should be F4U.
The Spitfire Mk XIV's icon is SPIT14, it should be SPIT.
The Ta152H-1's icon is 152, it should be 190.
The Tempest Mk V's icon is TEMP, it should be TYPH.
That would make these aircraft fun to use and make perk points a desirable reward. The whole key is fun.
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Here's my perk list:
Ar 234B
B-17G
B-26B
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-10
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Bf 110G-2
C.205
F4U-1
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F4U-4
F6F-5
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
Hurricane IIC
Hurricane IID
Il-2 Type 3
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Ki-67
La-5FN
La-7
Lancaster III
Me 262
Mosquito Mk VI
N1K2-J
Ostwind
P-38L
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51B
P51D Mustang
Seafire IIC
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XIV
Spitfire V
Ta 152H
Tempest V
Typhoon
Yak-9T
Yak-9U
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La7
P51D
109G10
190D9
N1K2
P47D30
Ostwind
Only one I'd like to see some perks on is the last on your list. Anything that can take out a plane with one hit anywhere shouldn't be free:eek:
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Weave,
What about the Yak-9T and Hurricane Mk IId?
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Frenchy, ok, make that June'44 :p better? :D
I repeat ,Is just one idea I had, nothing else :)
Originally posted by Weave
La7
P51D
109G10
190D9
N1K2
P47D30
Ostwind
Only one I'd like to see some perks on is the last on your list. Anything that can take out a plane with one hit anywhere shouldn't be free:eek:
.....ok.............so I guess I'll have to add the Yak9T to that list? ;)
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Hehehe ram, just messing up with you :D
Karnak ... Amen. We can't repeat it enought, till HTC gets sick of reading it:mad: hihihi
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Fly the CT.
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Why not just take off all the plane type icons so that you have to get in close enough to identify it yourself or limit the ability to distinguish aircraft type by distance (ie. D+3k shows Plane Type Icon)? Another possible solution would be to tag planes based on manufacturer rather than plane type (Hurricane, Tempest, Typhoon = Hawker | All Spits = Supermarine | etc...)
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"What about the Yak-9T and Hurricane Mk IId?"
Hmmm, well I was taken out once by a single ping from a Il2 from 1.5D.:eek:
Planes with large caliber cannon are much easier to deal with, as in they are approchable from a side other than where their guns are pointing. They are also easier to kill. I can't count the times I've straffed an Osty and scored mulitple 20mm hits and had nothing to show for it.
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ok , then perk the fuel and ammo !:D
25 % fuel and 25 % of clips free !
50 % fuel 25 % clips 1 perk
75 % fuel 50 % clips 2 perk
some early or uber dog planes
the perk begin at lower rate for example above 50 % load out
and like this
some extra options like Field tuning for P 47 extra 3 perks or MV 50 for Lw
high octane fuel extra 2 perk
so to take up a uber bosted full loadet kiler machine can cost you around 8 perks :D :D
about the newbies ????? they can have some minifurbal with the load out , they have to learn fly the sim and not to quake it
sure the idea is not perfect but with some more tuning it can enhance game play
please some input on the idea , more heads more solutions
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How about doing the fuel by volume instead of percentage. This is prompted by the simple observation that upping a P-51 with 25% fuel is far different prospect than upping a Yak with 25%.
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RAM, perk yourself and let us at peace,
PLEASE!
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Hey morsa. I see I piss you off...
I'll tell you what...Seeing your manners, I am glad I'm doing so...maybe you expect me to flame you for your (useless, offtopic, insulting and out of bounds) post, but you're not worth it :)
Sorry, but I'll keep on posting
(http://www.uniquehardware.co.uk/server-smilies/otn/happy/thebirdman.gif)
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Originally posted by RRAM
Hey morsa. I see I piss you off...
I'll tell you what...Seeing your manners, I am glad I'm doing so...maybe you expect me to flame you for your (useless, offtopic, insulting and out of bounds) post, but you're not worth it :)
Sorry, but I'll keep on posting
HOOKED!!! LOL YOU DID :D
RAM ALWAYS RAM...
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I wonder who hooked who on this one :p
anyway...people, time to get this back into topic. Morsa's troll attempt is already over. Feel free to post at will! :D
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Originally posted by RRAM
Apart of the planes already perked...All cheap perks ...most at 10 pp, some lower, to 5pp -the 109G10, or the P47D30 for instance-
La7
P51D
109G10
190D9
N1K2
P47D30
Ostwind
Bassically all the planes (and vehicles) first fielded after February'1944.
I'd like to see a Yak9D so the Yak9U also goes into perk planeset with the ones avobe mentioned.
Why?. Well, to perk those would make the arena a somewhat safer place to very early stuff such as C202, 109E4 or Spit I. They still would be out of place but not so hoppelessy outclassed.
It also would mean a more balanced planeset quality-wise. IMO; of course :)
For the life of my I can't understand why people won't take some time to learn some ACM or tactics so they won't have to cry about perking planes. Laziness maybe?
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Isn't this post getting a little old?
Heh, only if you think an elephant is little. Otherwise, it's a LOT old.
Hang it up, guys -- it's not going to happen.
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Someday RAM will have a good idea, but probably not this year.
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s'matter akak?? can't read?
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Originally posted by akak
For the life of my I can't understand why people won't take some time to learn some ACM or tactics so they won't have to cry about perking planes. Laziness maybe?
Ack-Ack
I fly Fw190A8 in MA.I got a K/D of 5 in it.
I'd say I know some ACM. Just a little :).
BTW ,I don't intend to brag, I just posted an idea to allow a more balanced planeset in the MA. It has nothing to do with my skills :).
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Perk everything that beats you, but not your favorite plane? LOL!
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On second thought, I would perk the planes that are modeled to move faster then the Internet can paint them. All 190's. The notorious warp roll still works. Spits, The have a warp turn, for want of a better discription. I'm sure you have been about to fire, and seen that spit give that little jerk forward, out of fireing position. And the Jet. The one you thought you ducked the HO with. And he shot you with his plane pointing 80 degrees away from you.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Fly the CT.
A straight-forward, brilliant response to this subject.
Cobra