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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on June 25, 2002, 09:34:17 AM
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http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20020625_512.html
At what point do we say "enough is enough" and start setting up land mines?
A van going the wrong
way on a highway with its headlights off crashed into a
sport utility vehicle, killing six people and injuring more
than 20, authorities said.
The van, which was carrying illegal immigrants, struck
two cars Monday night before it slammed head-on into
the sport utility vehicle. The crash on Interstate 8 killed the
drivers of the SUV and the van and four passengers in
the van.
The van's headlights were off, probably to evade a Border
Patrol checkpoint, said California Highway Patrol
spokesman Steve Lopez. The immigrants were from
Mexico and Brazil, Lopez said.
The crash happened about 50 miles east of San Diego,
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Do they have land mines that can catch up to the ones that made it across?
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Do they have land mines that can catch up to the ones that made it across?
ROTFLOL! Now come on, in defense, the Mexicans in this area are some of the hardest workers I've seen. On that note, if someone cuts in line in front of you, do you get mad? Well, these border jumpers are jumping in line in front of those who are going thru the proper channels to gain entry into the US.
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there is a border down there?
I thought it was just a spanish speaking extension of Texas and California
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But Rip, the ones who come here legally want the good jobs.
The ones who come here "illegally" get the crap jobs no one wants.
So better question would be, do you get mad when someone pushes you out of the McDonald's employment line?
-SW
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No one wants those jobs because of low pay...if they have a hard time filling positions, the pay goes up, then the jobs are wanted. You see where this is going? ;)
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McDonalds is for 16 years old employee and 25 year old managers
If you are employed in a McDee's after 25, you have bigger issues than worrying about an illegal taking your "career" away from you :)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
No one wants those jobs because of low pay...if they have a hard time filling positions, the pay goes up, then the jobs are wanted. You see where this is going? ;)
Yep, just give em minimum wage and then Johnny Blueblood and Sally White will be lining up for those toejamty jobs in the sun.
-Sikboy
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I'm actually kind of torn on this issue. On the one hand, I think that if we need to close our borders to protect our jobs, the issue is in the jobs not in the immigration policy.
On the other hand, I feel that those immigrants entering our country should be expected to learn English ASAP. We have some privately owned companies here in So. Cal. that actually have an "English only" policy and do very well. While some other firms (especially in the manufacturing sector) have 50% or more of their workforce that doesn't understand a word of English. I think this is a much more dangerous situation than the numbers of immigrants allowed.
We will tend to lose our sense of community and our common heritage as Americans if we don't at least standardize our common language. (This constitutes my conservative rant for the year:) )
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Reinstitute the draft. For the National Guard this time.
Put them on the border.
100 yard no mans zone. Mined
Concertina wire ten feet high, before and after.
Machine gun nests with crossing fields of fire.
Full time gunship patrol. Live ammo.
Signs that say no trespassing, in Spanish.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Well, these border jumpers are jumping in line in front of those who are going thru the proper channels to gain entry into the US.
oh?! Is there really a proper chanel to gain entry to the US?
2 bachelors of science later, all my pilot licences, more than $30/year spend for over 4 years. Always paid my taxes on time, not a single parking violation ... and i'm still diddlyED by INS!:mad:
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I'm actually kind of torn on this issue. On the one hand, I think that if we need to close our borders to protect our jobs, the issue is in the jobs not in the immigration policy.
On the other hand, I feel that those immigrants entering our country should be expected to learn English ASAP. We have some privately owned companies here in So. Cal. that actually have an "English only" policy and do very well. While some other firms (especially in the manufacturing sector) have 50% or more of their workforce that doesn't understand a word of English. I think this is a much more dangerous situation than the numbers of immigrants allowed.
We will tend to lose our sense of community and our common heritage as Americans if we don't at least standardize our common language. (This constitutes my conservative rant for the year:) )
Damn, get rid of that tag line MT. It's making you thing conservative. :)
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Gee, frenchy. Can you tell us, exactly why we OWE you citizenship?
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Land mines? That's not even slightly amusing. OK, maybe just a little, but... there are proper channels for a dirt poor Mexican to gain citizenship to the US? I do get pissed about those filthy, non-English speaking toejamheads taking all the jobs away from me tho'. It really pissed me off the most as I drove by them on summer mornings from Cornelius, past the fields they were working in, and on my way to work at ThrustMaster (where we made joysticks, some of which cost as much as 2 months food for these scumbags' families) and I easily got paid 5 times more than any one of them for working (hehe) in my air conditioned office that I worked (hehe) / played games in. I'da switched with them in a minute if only I'd been given the opportunity...alas, they choose to come up here and steal that opportunity away from me. :(
If you ask me, Mexicans are all right...it's them damned stinky, baby eating French-types we need to keep out! Send 'em to Quebec! :p
SOB
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
oh?! Is there really a proper chanel to gain entry to the US?
2 bachelors of science later, all my pilot licences, more than $30/year spend for over 4 years. Always paid my taxes on time, not a single parking violation ... and i'm still diddlyED by INS!:mad:
Frenchy, what if you married an American? Do you get residency then? You could do an on-paper marriage with some woman for 500 dollars I'll bet, and if you can't trust some chick not to screw youup then go to San Francisco because they have a domestic partners law and you could marry a guy. I'd marry you but I'm already married, but I'll bet there's a dozen single posters on this BBS who'd be honored to take your hand in matronimy. How bout it, who's between wives who's willing to marry Frenchy?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
We will tend to lose our sense of community and our common heritage as Americans if we don't at least standardize our common language. (This constitutes my conservative rant for the year:) )
What common heritage?
No, seriously, what common heritage? A nation soley consisting of immigrants from dozens of countries, (aside from the native americans), what possible common heritage could you have? Apart from "we all moved here once".
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Originally posted by Hortlund
What common heritage?
No, seriously, what common heritage? A nation soley consisting of immigrants from dozens of countries, (aside from the native americans), what possible common heritage could you have? Apart from "we all moved here once".
Uh Oh, "fire in the hole!!!"
;)
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Originally posted by easymo
Gee, frenchy. Can you tell us, exactly why we OWE you citizenship?
I don't want citizenship, I just want to be able to work legally.
Should I really have to bring a pregnant girlfriend, pay her a trip to US in her 8th month of pragnancy, have a baby born in USA making him American, get my citizenship because I'm the father, to finally be able to work in the US?
What I'm pointing out, is that maybe it would be more profitable for USA to allow foreign worker with an education to work in USA, spend all their wealthy salary in taxes/social cover/housing and way of life, rather than mojoe who comes in with 10 kids and abuse whatever social program is available to him.
You don't own me nothing, it was my gamble to come here and i knew the risks. Worked like a charm till Sept11, they had to use pilots:( So I erase 4 years of my life and go back in France, say "flying was cool"and work for 20 years in a factory till I can finally repay my bank.:cool:
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"Frenchy, what if you married an American? Do you get residency then? You could do an on-paper marriage with some woman for 500 dollars I'll bet, and if you can't trust some chick not to screw youup then go to San Francisco because they have a domestic partners law and you could marry a guy. I'd marry you but I'm already married, but I'll bet there's a dozen single posters on this BBS who'd be honored to take your hand in matronimy. How bout it, who's between wives who's willing to marry Frenchy?"
Of course the part that really makes your skin crawl. You have to go to California.
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So Frenchy what is your status now? Do you still have that job in Chino?
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I still have the formation flying job in Chino but our lead plane crashed so we are kind of idle till we find a new one and equip it.
I found an another job as a flight instructor so i can live. The formation flying guy lied to me, he told me we would fly several hours a day and I could live out of it. The reality was more liek 6h a week, not enought to live. He proposed me to be the leader of the squadron, but i politly declined for now, as I need a real job to pay the bils. Soon I will have the minimums to work for charters and make more money but the Visa will still be an issue.
I'm still a tourist till the end of this month. I should not work. Next month I become illegal. I'm going to work, get exploite by the owner of the flite school, he knows I'm fortunate to have this job anyway. INS will probably catch me someday and that will be it, free trip to france, no more pilot stuff.
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Frenchy
... is the idea of becoming a citizen all that bad? Don't get me wrong, I completely understand the national pride thing. (cod.. ya'll shoulda been there when I suggested my wife (Brit) become a U.S. citizen.. woo boy, baaaaad).
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Arent there any flying jobs in France or Europe?
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When I came to the USA, we could convert the FAA licence into almost any European country licence. 2 Years ago, while almost doen with my training in USA, the European communauty was created. With it, a JAA licence who doesn't allow the convert a FAA licence. It's a protectionisum issue, to protect the European market from foreign pilots.
Got stuck in the middle:D
My alternative so far, is to redo everything in Europe, at 3 time the cost, to find fewer flying opportunity than in USA.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
What common heritage?
No, seriously, what common heritage? A nation soley consisting of immigrants from dozens of countries, (aside from the native americans), what possible common heritage could you have? Apart from "we all moved here once".
snif.....snif..... smells like bait
blink ..... blink ....... looks like bait
must be bait! (somebody else tell Hortlund we actually have history books and everything here):rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
When I came to the USA, we could convert the FAA licence into almost any European country licence. 2 Years ago, while almost doen with my training in USA, the European communauty was created. With it, a JAA licence who doesn't allow the convert a FAA licence. It's a protectionisum issue, to protect the European market from foreign pilots.
Got stuck in the middle:D
My alternative so far, is to redo everything in Europe, at 3 time the cost, to find fewer flying opportunity than in USA.
What about trying Canada/Quebec and next coming back to USA ?
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To get back to the original topic (southern border). The spin the libs love to put on this, makes my jaw tight. "There just had working farmers" blah, blah, blah. The truth is, where there is poverty, there is crime. The percentage of VIOLENT criminals locked up in California prisons, that are wetbacks, is so far out of perportion that it is absurd. This cost Cal. tax payers millions BTW. Not to mention the cost to the victims. I have posted these figures before. I'm not looking them up again. If you are interested in the truth, look them up.
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How can we throw illegal immigrants into our jails? I thought the policy was to deport 'em?
-SW
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What part of VIOLENT crime, dont you understand.
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I guess the part where we deport them... maybe they should just be shot instead... they're here illegally, why would we jail 'em?
-SW
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If you commit rape (one of the most common), You don't get to just go back home.
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Aren't Mexican jails worse than the ones in the states? Alaska has a lotta room, let them roam free with no clothes in the dead of winter.... and we could turn it into a sporting event, $5 bag all the dirty border hoppers you can. :)
-SW
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These crimes are committed against Americans. The irony here is that ,by far, most of these assorted rapes, assaults, and murders, are committed against Mexican-Americans. The very people that work to import this trash.
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Ah, okay... although if we can't turn it into the aforementioned sporting event, then I like your idea of a National Guard border patrol.
See how fast they can REALLY run then. :)
-SW
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There are a disproportionate number of illegal aliens in prisons, however the crimes they are convicted of are not mainly "violent".
The major offenses for which illegal aliens were convicted in federal court in 1995 were unlawfully entering the United States (47 percent of the total), drug trafficking (27 percent), other immigration offenses (11 percent) and fraud (5 percent).
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The issue should not be from what country you come from but HOW you got into OUR country.
If you are here illegally you should be sent back. Period!
I don't care if you were caught on the line or 30 years later!!
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You got it Mighty.
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If you commit rape (one of the most common), You don't get to just go back home.
One of the most common what? Illegal immigration is illegal, and it shouldn't be allowed, but these people are not the monsters you make them out to be easymo.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
snif.....snif..... smells like bait
blink ..... blink ....... looks like bait
must be bait! (somebody else tell Hortlund we actually have history books and everything here):rolleyes:
Bait? What are you talking about? Everyone knows that mankind originated in Scandawhovia and then spread from there. Only Sweden has a truly indigenous population :eek:
-Sikboy
PS: Surprised that -MZ- hasn't stopped by this thread.
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The usual liberal number juggling. Throw those illegal entry numbers in quick to cloud the issue. In my post I made it a point, that I was only talking about the percentage of VIOLENT crimes.
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Henh.. this is one of those 'stomach twister' subjects.
I have some pals that wear blue uniforms during their work day, ride around in patrol cars and obstensibly try to keep the streets safe for democracy.
One of em was tellin me over a cup of coffee how he flet about the immigrant issue.. went something like this:
"hey, if they were comming in to become naturlized citizens and contribute to the common goals of the community that would be one thing... but they ain't. They come here to work, send money home; and when they get enuff, they intend to leave. They go home. But, while they are here, they pack themselves 20 deep into a single family rental home, drive unregistered and uninsured cars, don't get licenses, they get in accidents or get tickets, never show for court, never pay fines, never pay reststituition for accidents and fires they cause, they are a fediddlein burden on our society.
They are like vermin.
They impact each and every one of our lives in increased costs in insurance, they diminish our national wealth, they regard as as fools and rightly so. Where else in the world can one go and openly flaunt the laws of the land with impunity? Good 'ol USA.. whata land of chumps we are."
Hard to argue with his logic.
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drive unregistered and uninsured cars, don't get licenses, they get in accidents or get tickets, never show for court, never pay fines, never pay reststituition for accidents and fires they cause,
I bet this description applies to most of the poor in this Country.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
They are like vermin."
Hard to argue with his logic.
They aren't like vermin they ARE vermin!! And as such they should be exterminated like the filthy animals they are. Thank God the US is between me and them!!.
Remember, "When you outlaw immigration, only outlaws will immigrate."
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Yep.. but the citizens of THIS country are held accountable. Citizens from someplace else just leave when it's time to pay the piper.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Bait? What are you talking about? Everyone knows that mankind originated in Scandawhovia and then spread from there. Only Sweden has a truly indigenous population :eek:
Actually...
Sweden was inhabited from the South around 8000 BC.
*educates the masses*