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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Creamo on June 26, 2002, 09:40:41 AM

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: Creamo on June 26, 2002, 09:40:41 AM

Might have missed this discussion, pardon my lack of browsing here.

Anyway, in IL-2 you watch spins in all aircraft, they happen. Avoidable, but they happen as I can guess they would. Someone is wrong, I don't care to venture who, I just adapt. Diffrent argument.

However, offline I try new planes to see what they do, the 110 (LW fighter for lack of better understanding plane names) flat spins to unrecovery often.

Hmmmm.

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: Mitsu on June 26, 2002, 12:16:55 PM

The 110 surely has a bad flat-spin.
But If you have an altitude, I think that you can recover control by taking the basic spin avoidance.

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: Creamo on June 26, 2002, 12:25:17 PM

Just what I thought.

Nope. 20K inbound was the first "Huh?" that made me post.

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: MANDOBLE on June 26, 2002, 12:51:31 PM

In 110G2 you can easily recover these flat spins cutting the engine, else you will keep spinning and even going backwards at full throttle.

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: Creamo on June 26, 2002, 12:58:06 PM

I disagree as much as I think AH mis-judged FM on spins.

I chopped throttle, did all the recovery stuff, it's porked.

You'll see a fix.

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: Mitsu on June 26, 2002, 02:00:54 PM

1. close the throttle.
2. neutralize the ailerons.
3. determine the direction of the spin.
4. apply full opposite rudder and push joystick forward.
5. spinning will stop, neutralize the rudder.
6. open the throttle, then return to level.

When I'm flying in Bf110, I always recover the spin by this way...

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: Mitsu on June 26, 2002, 02:06:25 PM

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Originally posted by Creamo
Just what I thought.

Nope. 20K inbound was the first "Huh?" that made me post.

Hmmm, I understand what you say. :rolleyes:
This spin action may be strange, but this one is recoverable.

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: Creamo on June 26, 2002, 02:11:59 PM

It could be joystick related null as anything. My stick has been less than reliable, but i doubt it. I looked at the flight control deflections, they happened. I just did all that LIKE I SAID, and no joy.

Still, lets just stop master of obvious flight spin recovery  talk, and wonder why 1 out of upteen planes actually flat spin in AH.

Discuss....

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: Mitsu on June 26, 2002, 02:19:16 PM

Can you confirm the same spin that you experienced in this film?

http://www.uranus.dti.ne.jp/~mitty/battoutai/films/110spin.zip

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: Karnak on June 26, 2002, 11:56:58 PM

Mossie does the same spin.  I've also done tail slides 3,000ft down into the ground.

Mossie has a real nasty stall if you lose an engine while landing or taking off.  Nastiest stall I've ever had in AH.  I've read the same about the real ones, so they got something right there.

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: MANDOBLE on June 27, 2002, 12:25:43 PM

The fact is that I've only had nasty spins with 110G2 and once with Ta152 at the top of a hammer. Pure flat spins only with 110G2. Radically different experience with IL2.

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: whgates3 on June 27, 2002, 12:32:43 PM

history books have lead me to believe that the 110 had bad flight characteristics. Also there is some suggestion of this in the German film "the Devil's General", which is about Ernest Udet's career in the luftwaffe

Title: 110 Spins
Post by: Steven on June 27, 2002, 01:38:55 PM

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3. determine the direction of the spin.
4. apply full opposite rudder and push joystick forward.

I'm positive I once heard Chuck Yeager state that he'd put rudder into the spin.  I'm not going to explain this right, but it kinda helps you to catch the spin and then once you have control, you can then opposite rudder to stop the spin.  

Am I off my rocker?