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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Raly on June 26, 2002, 05:01:33 PM
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When I see a P-51 up, it's usually a D. Does anyone fly the P-51B (either on a regular basis, or from time-to-time)? I know it's not as lethal, but I like it.
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I see lotsa B's...
SKurj
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I take the B model. Just to be different I guess, just like when the Jugs were introduced, and I was the only one in my squad who flew them.
I thought the B was supposed to turn better than the D, but I haven't gotten into a scrap with a D to verify this.
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The B does turn a slight bit better than the D. Its also 3mph faster.
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Our lil 'b' is a miserable lamed up rendition of one of the best Mustangs ever made.
It should turn better.. it don't. It should be lighter and as a result, and accel better. It don't.
There's one place the AH 'b' shines tho.. above 25k it is a sweet ride. Does all it's supposed to do. Up there. Down low, the D is faster, accels better and turns at least as well at similar fuel states. Factor in the stiffer punch of the 2 extra .50's in the D, along with it's better visability out the back and it becomes the 'no brainer' choice for most AH fights.
It's because of the engine and supercharger pyro modeled. He did it right, it's just that we don't commonly fight at 25k + I guess it's safe to say it's not the rendition of the B model I was hoping for.
Gimmie a 'B' with a Malcom hood, and the 'D's engine (common in the late production B/C's) and I'd be estatic. Gimmie an Allison powered pony with 4 hispano's and I'd prolly faint with joy.
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I use the B all the time. 4 .50s can be surprising. A good shot is a good shot and even with only 4 guns you'll blow off wings and tails. The only time I have any trouble is vs bombers. I don't think I've ever shot one down in a single pass with the 51b. The best thing is the aircraft performs amazingly well and only has a 35 eny value.
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I fly the P-51B from time to time.
Contrary to what Hangtime says, it DOES turn a bit better than the "D"...not by much, but still by a useful amount against the likes of 109's, P38's other P-51's and maybe LA7's. It is however about 10 MPH slower than the "D" at low altitudes. Also the green blends in a lot better with the terrain, especially around dawn/dusk. If it wasn't for the fact that I have "feelings" for the 51D and not this plane, the P-51B would be my main ride in AH.
FYI: At 30K, the P-51B has over twice the climbrate of the P-51D and is faster too. It is a real monster up high and is IMO the best long-range ecsort fighter in AH.
J_A_B
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Contrary to what Hangtime says, it DOES turn a bit better than the "D"...not by much, but still by a useful amount against the likes of 109's, P38's other P-51's and maybe LA7's.
Hiya J_A_B.. how the hell yah been? Back flying yet?
Ach.. on to the debate. The D's better accel offsets any insignificant turnrate advantage it MIGHT have at low alts... I seem to recall some testing done by whels that bears out my premise.
When I'm fighting against a B while in my D I have his number pretty quick. Further if I carry the 4 gun loadout in a D I CAN out-turn him in any e-state below 15k.
So why fly a 'b' if you are wading into an MA furball at 5k? More perkies per kill. Thats all.
Also the green blends in a lot better with the terrain, especially around dawn/dusk.
Utterly useless in Icon Land.
FYI: At 30K, the P-51B has over twice the climbrate of the P-51D and is faster too. It is a real monster up high and is IMO the best long-range ecsort fighter in AH.
Alt-weenies and score dweeb country. Who in hell fights at 30k in this sim? Who escorts buffs at 30k in this sim? I ain't saying it ain't done.. just that it ain't done very damn often. Not your ususal MA occurance. As I noted above it is a superb aircraft up there.. I'm not questioning that. But it's usefulness in the MA to all but a few adoring perk point hounds is minimal.
It's a nice scenario bird, and has a welcome place in the sim... it just ain't the 'b' I woulda rather had.
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by Hangtime:
wah, wah, wah, it don't fly right 'cause i suuuuck in it, wah, wah, wah!
Shyaddup, the B is a great bird. Hell, I'll duel ya b versus d any day. (and get my arse kicked, but, well, what the hell was I talking about?!?)
SOB
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lol... u sittin here waitin on 1.10 too? Tell funked to get us a beer.
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"Hiya J_A_B.. how the hell yah been? Back flying yet? "
Yep, doing good, amount of my family whom I've met has more than quadrupled in the last couple months :) Some things are more important than AH :) My online ID should be in my sig, along with my inevitable ID complaint.
I've noticed that evcer since they added the "B" we've had different opinions with regards to its turning ability. I don't doubt you one bit, yet for me the "B" does turn just a hair better (certainly not enough to matter 95% of the time). I just chalk it up to the fact that you're better at AH than I am and hence can more effectively use the "D"'s accel advantage. Usually by the time I have to rely on acceleration, I'm dead.
J_A_B
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But it's usefulness in the MA to all but a few adoring perk point hounds is minimal.
Heeeey... Maybe it's because it's a more CHALLENGING plane to fly and score kills in. But, you're right, why the hell else should we fly any other plane in the MA other than the P-51D? The next time I take off, I'll be sure to only take the best plane suited for MA use.
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I think I just prefer the 'B' instead of the 'D' because it's an earlier model, albeit the differences are not far apart. Hell, I could probably just settle with flying, and not necessarily fighting, so whatever has enough gas to keep me up there is fine by me (though I prefer fighters to bombers). From what I've read about the 'B', I'm lead to believe that it was indeed the bird that made the difference in the bombing campaign of the ETO. However, like Hang said, no one fights up where the 'B' shines since, in the MA, the goal is short-range territorial conquest. But maybe that new map from AK, AK Desert, will make the difference? It is supposed to be huge.
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I like the B and it does seem a bit more nimble. not much. i rarely take it over 15k and i do fine with it. well maybe not fine but i do ok :)
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Don't believe a word rabbit says, if you see him in a b with E advantage, run...
I don't ride the b because of the lower firepower and smaller clip compared to the d. I find that I avoid t&b in the pony as a rule so the extra firepower is worth more than being able to turn that little bit better. It is a good perk collector though... I once shot down 2 262s in one sortie with a b... mmmmm perk points
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The B model is not as well in control on the deck as the D is..It stalls easier and make you lose control alot quicker..The B can take a D easy high thats if the pilots are of equal skills. But since i dont spend much time High i prefer the D..Plus the added advantage of more ammo. ;)
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Maybe some of you dont get away from vulching alt much, there are PLENTY of fights at high alt - and yes escorted bomber missions a plenty (well at least in one o bigtoery does them, cannot speak for the other 2).
Not spent much time in 51 yet (maybe 2x in missions) and I really don't see them that much at all - except breifly now and then before they dive and try to run away or kamikassi (sp) into something :)
As an opponent I worry more about the 51B model, they are often piloted by a hot stick - the 51D is the default plane you will see a heck of alot of newbies in those.
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Maybe it's because it's a more CHALLENGING plane to fly and score kills in. ...evil dingo
Oh, well hell, sonny boy; should you really want a challenging plane to fly and score kills MA kills in, you could try a spit 1.
But, you're right, why the hell else should we fly any other plane in the MA other than the P-51D? The next time I take off, I'll be sure to only take the best plane suited for MA use.
I thought we were discussing the comparative merits and suitability of THE TWO AVAILABLE P51's in MA play. I sure as hell ain't tellin yah what to fly. And why would my worthless opinion on esoteric antique virtual aircraft as modeled in this sim offend yah anyway?
..did yer cousin eat yer baybay?
:)
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I have to chime on Hangs side on this argument, in your most common MA scenarios the D is better suited. Any advantages the B has can be counteracted somewhat by taking 4 guns in the D, and you get more ammo than the B to boot. The only reason why I fly the B which I haven't done in awhile to be honest, but really thinking about going back to.. is IMHO the coolness factor of the razorback design which I've always perfered for some reason.
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412th and I, busted up a buff formation, I was flying Bravo pony.
Out of 6 buffs I beleive I claimed 2. A B17 and a Lancaster.
4 .50s on a B pony do as much damage as a Spit 9 with no 20mm. :D