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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nomde on June 27, 2002, 10:55:38 AM
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I've known Fester (aka: citabra) for a number of years now. Through the times of Air Warrior before AOHell and here in Aces High. He's an excellent stick weather you're flying wing or fighting against him.
He hasn't said anything that I haven't said at one time or another while flying, and thank God i've been able to control my emotions, (for the most part :D), after being double teamed or any screw ups made while flying. This game is a high energy/emotional release for me and for alot of others as can be seen by some of the posts on channel one. All I can think of is: "There but for the grace of God, go I"
Hitech, pyro, and company have been doing a great job in keeping the rhetoric down to a minimum and I'm grateful for that. I can't stand some whiner coming on and mouthing off about one thing or another that they "percieve" to be cheating etc...and it really bothers me when they have to resort to cussing someone out and not knowing when to stop.
Fester has had some issues with the gameplay and has mentioned them in earlier posts. I noticed for the past week or so he's been, shall we say, "pushing the limit" and making it known he was pissed. He placed HT in a position where they had to act, and It's sad they had to take the drastic step of banning him. I hope it's not permenent as I believe he was just venting, albeit in the wrong manner. Fester has contributed to my enjoyment of this game conciderably, and he has always tried to be vocal about how to enhance the performance of this game.
I hate to see good sticks leave AH for any reason and I hope this can be resolved. We've had too many leave already and i'd hate to have nothing left but the whiners who don't contribute anything but thier uneducated malicious opinions. IMHO
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For those tuning in late in the ball game, what did he do to provoke being punted?
Can't say I agree or disagree since I'm not privy to the circumstances that lead up to it
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When all else fails, have fun.
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I too like Fester...
I was rather shocked to see this thread regarding Fester being banned...
I do not know the circumstances that brought this about...
But I do know that we all must live according to the rules or suffer the consequences...
There cannot be any exceptions !!!
If HT would start letting people break the TOS agreement on a basis of bias due to "Well he's a good Stick" or "Im sure he didn't mean it" or "He's been around since creation" It would be a slap in the face to the entire community...
I know I have blown my cork before and have been told to kill the profanity or get muted... etc... And like you said Nomde... "But for the Grace of God, Go I"
As much as I like Fester, "If he did the crime he must do the time"
BOOT
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"I hate to see good sticks leave AH"
I don't care what they do to him; but I fail to see what his 'flying' skill has to do with any decision.
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Exactly Otto. If you see the other thread where Fester insulted somebody's Nationality, just because they were flying a VVS plane, and VVS squad, you can tell he is taking this game waaaaaaaaayyy to seriously. This is a game, to insult a nationalty over it, is just taking it too far.
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I hold his skills in high regard.
To fly this sim well, particlularly when flying against the ever increasingly numerous competent sticks that populate this place requires more than skill.. well, it often seems being the very best means being very agressive. Hard to be super agressive behind the sticks and polite on the radio. There is no doubt I fly better when I'm infuriated. Gettin really pissed makes me a significantly more dangeous pilot. I just ain't willing to crank up my angst like that everytime I get in a plane. But that's just me.. and definitly not 'ol Citabria.
I don't hold Cit's agression against him. I deplore his 'burn bridges' flame-out from the sim.. nobody should resort to the kind of name calling he slipped into, IF WHAT WE SAW WAS IN FACT TRUE.
If so, he screwed up badly, then he should pay the piper for it. If HTC decides to ban him, fine, thats the price to be paid. Makes no diffrence who he is, how much he spent, etc.. if he did it, he's gotta pay the price.
I would hope that he'll be allowed back eventually.. just as Nath was. It would appear that all of us need to take a break from time to time. The more agressive folks sometimes come to the 'time to take a break' decision voulentarily.. sometimes it's a forced break.
In any case.. hope he's back one day. And I hope he didn't do what everybody thinks he did. Shame if he did.. I'll have lost a lot of respect for him if it's the case..
Citabria/Fester. A worthy adversary, a respected wingman.
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Don't misunderstand me, I believe "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime"
HT is correct in banning anyone for breaking the TOS.
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Ditto Otto.
Your best stick is the guy that gives the lunch and takes the lunch without getting bent. (see in the pilots dictionary under "DREX")
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Really Sorry to see Fester/Citabria go.
To be honest I saw the thread with the screenshots of his antics and he knew exactly what he was doing and what the repercussions would be, so I'm sure even he wouldnt dispute HTCs decision. That kind of thing cannot be allowed especially since this game is played by kids too.
However AH has lost a truly great stick.
What is it about talented people who cant seem to get their head straight. Think of all the truly talented people from all walks of life who have ruined things for themselves by their behaviour, Georgie Best, Alex Higgins and a few others spring to mind:(
Hope he uses this to realise that he can't just lose it like that and hopefully he can come to an arrangement with HTC soon.
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However AH has lost a truly great stick.
"Great Sticks" are the ones who give you a when you shot them down.
"Great Sticks" are the ones who help out a newbie.
"Great Sticks" are the ones who volunteer their time and lifestyles to bring us fun, enjoyment in AH in the form of Scenarios.
"Great Sticks" are the guys that fly a goon when you been working on a field all morning trying to capture but no one will be a goon.
Great sticks definition goes far beyond skill in Air to Air combat.
Cita was a good stick,he was far from a "Great stick"
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Well Said Ripsnort...
Hmmmmmmm... perhaps I am a great stick... even though I can't shoot worth crap... :)
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Wasn't Fester that guy from the Adams Family who put light bulbs in his mouth. I didn't know he was still around, let alone flying in AH.
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Ripsnort, I haven't flown the gooney much. But I have done everything else. By coincidence I am going to start practicing dropping troops in the TA. Rip, when you shoot me down I have saluted you, and when I have the couple times (shot you down) you have saluted me.
Masher, oh, i mean Karaya2.
You and that damned Hurricane bro. See ya up there.
If he had to slam nationality in a game, than that is not proper. This is a game, a game, and that doesn't give the excuse to commit those acts.
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Right on ripsnort.
I've vulched Drex on takeoff & gotten a from him.
Do that to Fester and you'd get or worse.
Class always tells, some have it some don't.
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My post is not intended to bash Cita, its only to point out a "lesson learned"...haze each other, but haze in fun. Give the guy who just pissed in your wheaties a big
, then go piss in his Wheaties the next sortie. I know from my experiences in the past that I haven't been exactly a gentlemen either, but I've bitten my lip...and carried on. Lets all learn from this bad experience within the community.
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Originally posted by Heinkel
Exactly Otto. If you see the other thread where Fester insulted somebody's Nationality, just because they were flying a VVS plane, and VVS squad, you can tell he is taking this game waaaaaaaaayyy to seriously. This is a game, to insult a nationalty over it, is just taking it too far.
You should see what he said when a Japanese player shot him down.
He has been pretty nice to me the last couple times I got him, one word insults only.
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I thought he just got banned from the board by pyro for a bit not the game altogether? Man I am always the last to hear anything.
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why is it that some people will see a "skill" as a reasonalbe excuse for an unappropriate behaviour ?
I've known Cit from WB back 3 years ago. He's a good pilot, but this sort of language has no place in any online game.
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Did all of this start with the post on the BBS? I noticed ever since he got banned for that, he'd been in a pissy mood. Or does this go beyond my large(cough) field of knowledge? :D
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ain't nobody's biz but HTC
it's there company/game and can do what they want with it when they want to
you think they "owe" us AH? It's a privilege to be able to play it, a perk that can be rescinded at anytime by its owner
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Fester became almost an icon in AH. No matter how he did it, IMO there is fester-era and post-fester-era of AH.
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Ya know..........IMHO ......HTC developed the best online flight sim for people to enjoy. Enjoy means have fun. Some take this wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy to seriously. I guess it's male hormones ;) or sumptin'. If one is going to take this so seriously, a venue designed so that the user could have fun, methinks it's time for those who get upset about getting shot down in a Sim ta take a break, think about getting upset over a game........and maybe......maybe they'll just get out of Aces High what it was designed for, fun, and friendly competition. Last time I looked after ya die here ya get another plane! :D
Hajo
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I will just say hopefully that this was an act of frustration at being banned from the boards and that it is out of his system. If not, I hope he does get banned, if only to force him to take a break and rethink what happened.
Oh well, he was on last night and from what I saw, he was acting rather respectful and nothing like the night before.
-math
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Fester/Citabria happens to have two things that usually come together. Loads of piloting skill and an enormous uncontrolled ego. An ego which provoked some "explosions" now and then.
But see, in my own opinion his ego is proportional to his skill, so I'll never find his behavior worse than that of some people who have an ego SEVERAL times bigger than their skill, yet they never get a tenth of the attention Citabria has always had focused on him.
He has payed the price of being the best. As the best pilot around everyone was keeping attention on him to see what he did. Citabria has been the main protagonist of some bad moments in #1 channel...but also he has proven a lot of times to be the best pilot since AH's started. He's always been a joy to fly with, and most times to fly against, too.
Other guys add nothing at all, and are way louder on #1 than what Citabria has ever been, yet they never get the same deal of attention, nor they will ever get it in the future. I guess is the price of "fame".
As for the reasons of him being banned, I think he got kicked from the boards because he said something about the P40B added andd not a Ki43. Not sure about it, tho. In any case he has been banned from forums and not from the game itself. I've seen him online several times during last week.
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Ram, he's "the best pilot" in your eyes, I got a $100 bill sitting here says Drex kicks his bellybutton in the best of 5.
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Some of yous guys are gonna have your mouths stuck in an O shape if you keep sucking Fester's...
-SW
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Seems like an awfully long thread for a group that doesn't really know that he got banned. All I've seen is he is "taking a forced break" from the bbs.
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So true SW. Somebody's gonna need one of these:
(http://www.boinkmail.com/catalog/images/rugburn.gif)
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I say everyone should mind their own business. This is an issue between HTC and one of its customers. HTC is perfectly capable of resolving this issue without "input" from the peanut gallery.
Regards,
Wab
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ram, he's "the best pilot" in your eyes, I got a $100 bill sitting here says Drex kicks his bellybutton in the best of 5.
Drex has never spanked me like fester has done.......so many times :D. In fact I've never seen Drex fighting, so I can't really tell. ;)
All I know is that the only guy able to do a 40+ streak in a continuous sortie in a P38L, with all the enemy planes in the MA looking actively to shoot him down, was Fester. And he returned to base successfully after that one, IIRC. :)
I don't think there is anybody else around able to do that kind of thing.
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Originally posted by AKWabbit
I say everyone should mind their own business.
Wab
Kinda hard to do when racist slurs are involved ONLINE, no?
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Kinda hard to do when racist slurs are involved ONLINE, no?
Not really.
1) Alt-S, take screen shot.
2) Send to Support@Hitechcreations.com.
3) .squelch Fester
4) Continue with game and let HTC decide how to handle it.
Easy.
Regards,
Wab
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Originally posted by AKWabbit
Not really.
1) Alt-S, take screen shot.
2) Send to Support@Hitechcreations.com.
3) .squelch Fester
4) Continue with game and let HTC decide how to handle it.
Easy.
Regards,
Wab
hehehe, got me there!
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"Great Sticks" are the ones who give you a when you shot them down.
"Great Sticks" are the ones who help out a newbie.
"Great Sticks" are the ones who volunteer their time and lifestyles to bring us fun, enjoyment in AH in the form of Scenarios.
"Great Sticks" are the guys that fly a goon when you been working on a field all morning trying to capture but no one will be a goon.
Great sticks definition goes far beyond skill in Air to Air combat.
Cita was a good stick,he was far from a "Great stick"
Hot damn, Rip and I finally agree on something! :D Spot on, Rip.
Fester became almost an icon in AH. No matter how he did it, IMO there is fester-era and post-fester-era of AH.
You've got to be kidding me. "Gee Mr. Fester, can I have your autograph?" LOL! Hristo, yer killing me, do you really believe that adults playing AH see Fester as an icon in the game? That is too damn funny.
Some of yous guys are gonna have your mouths stuck in an O shape if you keep sucking Fester's...
Hehe, great one liner, SW.
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Nomde shot my toy plane down in AW constantly. I never ever got upset. NOMDE YOU NO GOOD CHEATIN PIECE OF *#*!!!
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The Fester/HTC situation is not my business, though I must have a longer memory than some here.
I am also constantly amazed by the ability of some people to excuse away the asocial behavior of people simply because they possess some perceived talent.
Newsflash: the same rules should and do apply to everyone. Geez, this reminds me of the last time a big-name pilot was banned. What a lobby that was, basically saying, "He's too good to be removed, let him come back!"
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Where is this thread with screenshots of what Fester said?
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Fester/Citabria happens to have two things that usually come together. Loads of piloting skill and an enormous uncontrolled ego. An ego which provoked some "explosions" now and then
My personal fav was when he threatened to push Whels in a wheelchair down some stairs.
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Festbria was addicted and hated it but loved it all the same.
And theres the rub, and the reason he committed virtual suicide.
Should he be allowed to return (if he hasnt already) is soley up to him and HTC but I suggest he take a few weeks off, or a few months, to gain some much needed perspective.
It IS afterall, just a game :)
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Originally posted by Kieran
I am also constantly amazed by the ability of some people to excuse away the asocial behavior of people simply because they possess some perceived talent.
Newsflash: the same rules should and do apply to everyone. Geez, this reminds me of the last time a big-name pilot was banned. What a lobby that was, basically saying, "He's too good to be removed, let him come back!"
Yeppers... It kind of reminds me of the " OJ Simpson Syndrome " YUK !!!
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Originally posted by AKWabbit
I say everyone should mind their own business. This is an issue between HTC and one of its customers. HTC is perfectly capable of resolving this issue without "input" from the peanut gallery.
I totally agree Wab, however it does raise the issue of people taking this GAME way too seriously.
It's kinda like how people behave when they're driving. People will mouth off because its easy to do behind the shield that the car places between you and the guy your yelling at. AH is the same. If we were playing face to face instead of behind the screen of the internet, nobody would behave like that.
We've all bitten our lip when some dweeb does something to upset you in AH. Kill stealing is the one that makes my lips bleed the most. Most of us can restrain ourselves. Others can't:( Unfortunately there are too many of the 'others'. HTC take no prisoners and they are dead right, but the rest don't seem to learn the lesson. Remember gunman26??
I think its time everyone takes a step back and looks at all this for what it really is a game. A game very few of the worlds population will ever get to play. We should consider ourselves very lucky to be part of the few percent of people who can afford to spend 15 bucks on such a luxury. So many people can't afford food in this world, yet we get this wondrous game the internet and HTC has brought us and what do we do?
On another note, of course y'all realise that the man of the moment will be reading all of this and if he didn't have an ego b4, he sure does now:)
What should we do, like someone said above people when they rain on your parade, roll again and go rain on theirs but most of all be thankful that we're the priviledged few.
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Ah hell, everyone is adding their 0.02 worth.....
I respected fester's flying...in fact, if I knew he was in the area, I woud avoid him...but as a personality, he had the charm of a young blow fish. I often squelched him.
Now, MOST folks in this game have blown up or whined heavily at one point or another...it's just the nature of the beast. However, a totally abrasive personality and a mouth to match certainly won't win anyone a "mister congeniality" award.
Sorry, I don't buy into the skill/ego thing. There are plenty of good sticks in here that hardly say a word. I prefer to think of him as a mouth with a big ego that just happens to be a decent flyer also.
I agree that he made his bed, he should lie in it. Doesn't matter how good he is. We should not be subject to his ranting simply because he can score so well in the game.
As for it not being our business, I beg to differ. He is just another player, like all of us, and his actions impacted directly on the player group as a whole (it's the reason he was banned!). It most certainly does concern us. If it didn't, then he would not have been banned to begin with.
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"He's an excellent stick weather you're flying wing or fighting against him."
"Fester has ... some issues"
Yep, that about sums it up. Although I must say, even my pig headed self thought he had cleaned up his act...until he turned retarded again, that is. Too bad, I couldn't give a poop about how well he flew, but he could be amusing at times.
SOB
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I agree 100%
:)
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I prefer soft tacos. The crunchy ones break too easily.
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Ummmm... Mr. HTC?
Im not sure that this is a good time for it, but given that my Game ID has already been slandered and dragged through the mud, can I have it back now?
:)
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Who the hell is Fester?
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Originally posted by Fester
Ummmm... Mr. HTC?
Im not sure that this is a good time for it, but given that my Game ID has already been slandered and dragged through the mud, can I have it back now?
:)
Poor guy. It's your own fault tho, you had to hit accept when the CAF asked you to join the squad. Or were you talking about some other name?... :D
SOB
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Oh I accept full responsibility for my actions, Im just curious if / when I could get the ID back.
Im a much kinder / Gentler 'Fester' Just ask my squad mates. :)
Imagine what it would do for the community if people could start shooting 'Fester" down (I would of course, Allow this to happen from time to time :) )
Moral would improve 10 fold :)
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reports of festers demise and banning are apparently greatly exaggerated. saw him in the sim tonight, too.
it would sure seem that somebody got hinkey with a photo editor.
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Heh, I was thinking maybe you were being tarnished by the reputation of those CAF types you fly with! ;)
SOB
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Heh, I was thinking maybe you were being tarnished by the reputation of those CAF types you fly with!
You got me there, with the likes of Bullethead and Father Oddball (Our Spiritual guide), well, lets just say they make Citabria look like a popsicle cat.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
it would sure seem that somebody got hinkey with a photo editor.
If thats true, the person responsible should be called to account for slandering festers name?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
it would sure seem that somebody got hinkey with a photo editor.
Dude... banned or not, I was there to witness a lot of what Chewbacca posted. The fact is that Fester DID say these things, and much of it was completely unprovoked. As far as I could tell, those images were not doctored beyond cropping.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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ahh.. a witness.
Jehovas?
;)
Hey, I know nothin... other than I opened my big fat mouth, and now can't seem to get anything past the foot in it.
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it was all just a devious ploy to get us from posting so many 1.10 threads! :D
Seriously though...
can we have a squelch file that saves our squelch list? please?
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"I prefer soft tacos. The crunchy ones break too easily."
Eating hard tacos has been a problem plaguing America for far too long. Our education system has failed us....
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I had hard tacos last night. I enjoyed them! :eek:
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o
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Why are you punting a 2 year old topic?