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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Udie on June 28, 2002, 10:51:11 AM
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http://www.nydailynews.com/2002-06-28/News_and_Views/Beyond_the_City/a-155860.asp
Silly hypocrite thinks that people are so stupid enough to think that all this happened in a short year and a half. Sad part is that many will believe him with out even thinking about how long crap like this takes to happen. It would not suprise me if 1/2 or more of the major corporations in this country end up like Enron/MCI due to 8 years of "look the other wayism" Of course it's all G.W.'s fault though. :rolleyes:
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Of course it is Dubya's fault. Don't you know he personally did the accounting for both Enron and Worldcom?
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A little Off topic but...
If a drug dealer gets busted, all his assets are taken away from him and resold or auctioned off and he goes to jail. Some of it goes to the local government, and some to charities.
If a company exec, or group of company execs, lie, steal, and cheat their way to making billions of dollars off of American citizens that don't know wtf is going on behind the scenes and they get caught... they might go to jail, if they do, when they get out, they still have all that nice money they stole from the American people waiting for them in their bank. If they don't go to jail, they still have all that money.
No laws against scandalous executives/companies making money off of unsuspecting citizens who just want some electricity to turn on their microwave and keep their beer cool.
I don't care who's fault it is, they (big brother) need to get their heads f'in screwed on right and pay attention to the corporate world.
-SW
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"You see now what it means to have an administration that's that committed to fighting and working on behalf of the powerful, and letting the people of this country get the short end of the stick,"
Sure, the guy who catches the crooks is to blame for the crime - not the one that allowed him to operate unimpeded. That's the new "Goron" logic. :)
miko
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al who?
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
A little Off topic but...
If a drug dealer gets busted, all his assets are taken away from him and resold or auctioned off and he goes to jail. Some of it goes to the local government, and some to charities.
If a company exec, or group of company execs, lie, steal, and cheat their way to making billions of dollars off of American citizens that don't know wtf is going on behind the scenes and they get caught... they might go to jail, if they do, when they get out, they still have all that nice money they stole from the American people waiting for them in their bank. If they don't go to jail, they still have all that money.
No laws against scandalous executives/companies making money off of unsuspecting citizens who just want some electricity to turn on their microwave and keep their beer cool.
I don't care who's fault it is, they (big brother) need to get their heads f'in screwed on right and pay attention to the corporate world.
-SW
Couldn't agree more! But you know I think I remember a story a couple of years ago about 2 drug dealers in Ca.. They got busted in the late 80's and the government took their money, homes, boats and sent them to prison. They sued and I believe they were released from prison because the judge said it was double jeapardy (ie. they were being punished more than once for the same crime). Do we have a mechanism in place now to take money from corrupt execs and give it to the shareholders? There should be but if you take the execs personal money how can we send them to jail too?
Something needs to be done for sure, but im scared that this is just the tip of the iceburg. Imagine if 1/2 of all US companies have done this. This could be VERY bad for our economy/stock market. But I guess that makes Al Gore happy because now he thinks he has a stick to beat bush with, only the stick he's using is one that he and clinton planted over 8 years ago. The decade of denial is over, it may be time to pay the piper soon :(
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SWulf I'd absolutely love to see in addition to jail time, assets of those involved siezed ala RICO and auctioned to pay creditors.
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Look at the situation...
Gore is slipping among the Democrats. Meanwhile, approval ratings for Bush regarding economic issues are slipping.
So, what's a politician to do? It's obvious. Gore attempts to shore up his declining political stock by attacking Bush where he can score points.
Typical political maneuvering. :rolleyes:
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Sure, the guy who catches the crooks is to blame for the crime
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are you implying that you thing Bush caught the guys at enron? nobody caught them. they ran their scam right up until their house of cards colapsed and there was no way to hide it further.
I suspect that the only connections between bush and enron are that they are both from texas and enron colapsed during his administration. but I damn sure wouldn't give him credit for catching anybody.
nobody found out anything in time to save any victims from being ripped off, and last time i checked the crooks where still spending the money
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Look at the situation...
Gore is slipping among the Democrats. Meanwhile, approval ratings for Bush regarding economic issues are slipping.
So, what's a politician to do? It's obvious. Gore attempts to shore up his declining political stock by attacking Bush where he can score points.
Typical political maneuvering. :rolleyes:
And gore, the ultimate doofus will get attacked for it. The guy hasn't got the brains of a box of rocks and every time he opens his cake-hole he proves it.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
?????????
are you implying that you thing Bush caught the guys at enron? nobody caught them. they ran their scam right up until their house of cards colapsed and there was no way to hide it further.
I suspect that the only connections between bush and enron are that they are both from texas and enron colapsed during his administration. but I damn sure wouldn't give him credit for catching anybody.
nobody found out anything in time to save any victims from being ripped off, and last time i checked the crooks where still spending the money
Right, but you watch how many people will blame Bush for all of this when he had absolutely nothing to do with it other than being the guy in office when the house of cards fell. Typical liberal roadkill. Blame the right for the problems that the left causes. Don't forget who's watch it was while all the illegal activity was going on.
Sandman,
Your right too :D but then I wouldn't expect much diferent from the parasites we have in D.C. Still pisses me off when I see blantant hypocracy like the kind that spews forth from Gore's mouth when ever he speaks.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
are you implying that you thing Bush caught the guys at enron? nobody caught them
No, of course not - I mean I do not think so really.
My reply was an absurd reply to Gore's even more absurd statement.
At least theoretically speaking (based on what we know about time and cause-effect ) there is a possibility that Bush could have cought those guys upon becoming a president - if he, say, was not distracted from economical matters by all that 9/11 business.
It is not possible that his becoming president caused them to become crooks years before that event - unless he invented a time machine. :)
nobody found out anything in time to save any victims from being ripped off, and last time i checked the crooks where still spending the money
Disagree with you here. If those crooks continued to operate, people would still be pouring money into their stock - which would end up in execitives' pockets through options, incentives, etc.
Catching a murderer never helps victims that are already dead. It helps people not to become victims.
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d
No, of course not - I mean I do not think so really.
My reply was an absurd reply to Gore's even more absurd statement.
At least theoretically speaking (based on what we know about time and cause-effect ) there is a possibility that Bush could have cought those guys upon becoming a president - if he, say, was not distracted from economical matters by all that 9/11 business.
It is not possible that his becoming president caused them to become crooks years before that event - unless he invented a time machine. :)
nobody found out anything in time to save any victims from being ripped off, and last time i checked the crooks where still spending the money
Disagree with you here. If those crooks continued to operate, people would still be pouring money into their stock - whicj would end up in execitive's pockets through options, incentives, etc.
Catching a murderer never helps victims that are already dead. It helps people not to become victims.
miko
wait I thought Al Gore invented the time machine? :D
or was that Kurt Tank? :D :D
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Kurt Tank invented a rudimentary time machine, but it never got past the prototype stage as it only made his test subjects reverse in age rather than travel in time.
Al Gore found Kurt Tank's schematics and wanted to improve on the machine. He began work on it, and was about to get a patent on it (called the "Way Back Machine").. but then a new idea erupted in his mind which would force him to put his "Way Back Machine" on hold... and this new invention is none other than the internet!
-SW
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I get tired of hearing that bush inherited the Enron problem from Clinton, that it's all cCintons fault and bush is inocent and being used as a fall guy.
You can’t hold Clinton any more to blame for this than bush.
Bush was the pres. for almost a year while this was going on (what 10, 11 months? I've never heard exactly when it started.) he never figured it out either.
Why is it Clinton fault that he didn't know, but ok that bush didn't know?
Gore is acting like a dick for blaming bush for a crime committed while he was president.
But to say that the democrats are responsible is no better.
As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet money that if you where to check voter records for party affiliation. You would find that the majority (if not all) of the perpetrators at Enron where republicans.
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Gore is acting like a dick for blaming bush for a crime committed while he was president.
Gore is smart enough to know that the average American is a handsomehunk and will actually be persuaded by his roadkill.
As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet money that if you where to check voter records for party affiliation. You would find that the majority (if not all) of the perpetrators at Enron where republicans.
So what? That's relevant because??
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
I get tired of hearing that bush inherited the Enron problem from Clinton, that it's all cCintons fault and bush is inocent and being used as a fall guy.
You can’t hold Clinton any more to blame for this than bush.
Bush was the pres. for almost a year while this was going on (what 10, 11 months? I've never heard exactly when it started.) he never figured it out either.
Why is it Clinton fault that he didn't know, but ok that bush didn't know?
Gore is acting like a dick for blaming bush for a crime committed while he was president.
But to say that the democrats are responsible is no better.
As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet money that if you where to check voter records for party affiliation. You would find that the majority (if not all) of the perpetrators at Enron where republicans.
Good post, in response to the last paragraph, most corporations send donations about 50/50 split to both parties to cover their asses.
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Arthur Levitt vs. Harvey Pitt
Business Week (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/feb2002/nf20020219_2045.htm)
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capt. apathy
Good Post and couldn't agree more, republican here by the way and Rip is right about the donation stuff. Unless the president does something directly I rarely lay blame on them (what I mean is if the wall is black and they say white).
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet money that if you where to check voter records for party affiliation. You would find that the majority (if not all) of the perpetrators at Enron where republicans.
ROTFL!!! And I suppose if they'd all been Democrats they'd have quickly divided the all the cash and handed it out to all the employee's lol. Right, like THAT's gonna happen.
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Energy/Natural Resources:
Top Contributors
Election cycle: 2002
Total contributed: $25,427,840
Contributions from individuals: $ 6,207,546
Contributions from PACs: $ 9,402,516
Soft money contributions: $ 9,817,778
Rank Organization Amount Dems Repubs
1 Southern Co $920,884 28% 72%
2 El Paso Corp $734,667 17% 83%
3 ChevronTexaco Corp $713,605 27% 73%
4 Exelon Corp $654,775 29% 71%
5 Nat'l Rural Electric Coop. Assn. $587,812 43% 57%
6 FirstEnergy Corp $560,301 32% 68%
7 Enron Corp. $527,675 29% 71% [/I]
8 Exxon Mobil Corp. $520,280 11% 89%
9 Dominion Resources $490,053 28% 72%
10 Koch Industries $463,647 13% 87%
11 TXU Corp $438,460 30% 70%
12 Entergy Corp $391,534 41% 59%
13 Florida Power & Light $367,675 9% 91%
14 Duke Energy $338,015 27% 73%
15 Ashland Inc $322,500 19% 81%
16 Progress Energy $316,644 40% 61%
17 BP $314,400 25% 75%
18 American Gas Assn $298,392 39% 61%
19 Occidental Petroleum $292,650 23% 77%
20 CMS Energy $271,665 39% 61%
29% Dem 71% Rep - Not quite 50:50
2001-2002 Election Cycle
Dems got $128,235,028 donated $59,603,689 (46%) Hard, $68,631,339 (54%) Soft
Reps got $231,124,242 donated $131,020,561 (57%) Hard, $100,103,681 (43%) Soft
Quality of Disclosure:
Reps: Full Disclosure on $54,298,306 (94.3%)
Incomplete on $280,176 (0.5%)
No Disclosure on $3,021,720 (5.2%)
Reps: Full Disclosure on $64,511,427 (77.4%)
Incomplete on $422,423 (0.5%)
No Disclosure on $18,456,254 (22.1%)
thanks to OpensSecrets.Org (http://www.opensecrets.org/) and TheyRule.Net (http://www.theyrule.net) - waste your afternoon connecting the dots ("saaay ... that looks a lot like a.... well, a... conspiracy.") :D
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bada bing!
well done -dead-
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still waiting on my drug supplement..no wait..that was to be from the surplus, now damn where did i put that surplus? Oh, GW has it in his buds pockets.
hard
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Udie..now your remember all this when you pay that HMO deductible;-) Taking it up the butt twice their budl
:D
hard
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That guy is a first class A hole....HOW the hell can people let him get away with saying the Bush Adm cause this stuff..Its gonna kik him in the bellybutton soon...
Hey DUM ASSS AL....You and your jerkoff boss did this crao for the 8 horrible years you guys ran our gov into the liberal garbage truk that we deal with now...Ya nice judges you apointedin the 9th circuuit in SF..lmfao...and crying at same time..
Love, BiGB
xoxoxo
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Um.. Bgbmaw..
Alfred T. Goodwin, the judge who wrote the decision, was appointed by President Richard Nixon, a Republican.
source (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/political_020626.html)
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nixon was a liberal.."moderate"republican..lolo