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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Braz on June 28, 2002, 11:43:51 AM
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Here's a piece from cnn on bomb carrying tots,
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/06/28/baby.photo/index.html
Not so funny after all.
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Propaganda....
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Looks like something that The Onion might have come up with.
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I can understand the dark humor, much like the photos that were going around of Bert (from Sesame Street's "Bert and Ernie" puppets) dressed as a Nazi general, then as a Cold War spy, and then as an Islamic militant advisor, with the message that Bert wasn't as innocent as we had been led to believe and that Bert was part of a larger consipiracy from the Axis of Evil.
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Since January 2002, more than 220 Israeli citizens have been killed in suicide bombings or shootings carried out by Palestinian terrorists.
Why would it be so inconcievable that Palestinians would use babys as suicide bombers? Germans gassed, burned alive, and shot babies. The Japanese bayonetted, shot, and did medical experiments on them. Its just a matter of time...
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(http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2002-06-28T132129Z_01_GALAXY-DC-MDF61168_RTRIDSP_2_INTERNATIONAL-MIDEAST-TODDLER-DC.jpg)
cnn site stinks ... for all the tech & bandwidth yo'd think they'd have :rolleyes:
here's the write up:
http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=worldnews&StoryID=1145241#
I knew as soon as I saw it, the Pal lovers here would scream "staged" :)
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Of course it's staged. Those are bullets, not bombs.
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Who cares?
The crap that passes for news these days...
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Looks like Israeli propoganda..but definately not out of the question if Palestines would do this...
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Not around his waist Sandman... unless they are shotgun cartridges...
but either way, it does seem staged... how the hell is a baby supposed to be a suicide bomber? Crawl it's way to it's victims? Babies are very easily distracted, I doubt it's gonna do much of anything except crap itself and cry.
It ain't even smart enough to know which way to go... are they gonna drop kick it?
-SW
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Not around his waist Sandman... unless they are shotgun cartridges...
-SW
Yeah... I see the wires, but that center one on the waist is definitely a bullet, a big one.
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Center one looks like a .50 cal equivelent.
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why don't you Pal supporters dress ur kids up in similiar fashion for Halloween? Just a joke right? :rolleyes:
I think it's sick if a Pal (as reported) did "stage" the photo. Not unexpected but sick ... no brainwashing going on over there, nah - none at all ...
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It ain't even smart enough to know which way to go... are they gonna drop kick it?
ROFLMAO!! Hoooooo... man!!
Hey.. they oughta use cats... better yet kittens.
"PALS UNLEASH WAVE OF KITTY BOMBERS.."
henh. must be the cat chow.
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I don't remember where I got this from, but it seems to be authentic. There are a few children in the background that are being dressed the same.
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those ain't children. they're sadistic lil towel head dwarves on a KKK off-off-off broadway play tryout.
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
It ain't even smart enough to know which way to go... are they gonna drop kick it?
-SW
I wouldn't recommend drop kicking a baby with that much explosive attatched to him- if he goes off you'll lose your foot. I would suggest pulling the pin and throwing him instead.
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
I wouldn't recommend drop kicking a baby with that much explosive attatched to him- if he goes off you'll lose your foot. I would suggest pulling the pin and throwing him instead.
Maybe they could use a Trebuchet, or one of those Air Cannons they use to shoot pumpkins.
-Sikboy
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I think Hang's idea might have merit. You know there are very few "kittens being killed" in a strict Islamic area. This should leave a surplus of kittenbombs available.
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Hehehe like no one on this board ever dressed up and played soldiers when they were kids... :rolleyes:
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Nope.. don't ever recall dressin up in a sheet with c-4 explosives and runnin around w/ an ak47.
i think the neighbors woulda lynched me.
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http://www.ajc.org/upload/pdf/NewYorkTimes3_04.pdf
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I think Hang's idea might have merit. You know there are very few "kittens being killed" in a strict Islamic area. This should leave a surplus of kittenbombs available.
What we do is make fish flavored plastic explosives and feed it to the bad guy's cats. As soon as the cat jumps in the terrorist's lap- ka-BOOM!!
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TMAW,
I believe that picture is faked and was actually taken from some cut film frames that didn't make it into the final version of Blazing Saddles, where Hedley Lamar is recruiting for menacing characters. If I remember right, when Hedley asked them what their specialty crimes were, they said, being unlucky enough to be born into this toejam-hole that everyone has an opinion on, but no-one has the balls to bring an answer to. Then Hedley said, heh, poor bastards, too bad you don't live in FLA or WA, NEXT!
Also, I'm not sure what's odd about that baby picture except.....wait a minute.....he could be wearing...... baby booties shoe bombs! I believe they are set off by burping up breast milk on them! Yep it has to be breast milk...none of that fake crap.
I think that BOTH Israelis and Palenstinians are equally responsible for this nonsense.....what does that make me?.......Balanced?
Cobra
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Nope.. don't ever recall dressin up in a sheet with c-4 explosives and runnin around w/ an ak47.
i think the neighbors woulda lynched me.
Yeah? Your neighbours prolly did dress up in sheets then ;)
But seriously:
I guess the reason you didn't do this is because you didn't grow up in Palastine. Lemme guess - you're an American - so you dressed up like a ... Russian... no German... no wait... Australian.... what's that? An American soldier you say?!? Who'd've thunk it!
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wtg dead !
.. for making sense where I sure didn't think it was possible :rolleyes:
I see now ...
instead of japs and commandos or cowboys and indians they play the "israeli soldier and suicide bomber". And the bomber child runs past the soldier into a group of kids standing on the corner and play "detonates" himself, jumps up and laughs, points at his friends and says "your dead, your dead, your dead, your missing an arm, your baby is blown in half, your sister's head is gone....". Then they switch sides and the fun continues :rolleyes:
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Thought I had a good sense of humor,
But playing like your a bomber is not playing soldier. These bombers are cowardly criminals, not cowboys and indians. Adults helped them dress this way, and prepare them for what?
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whoops
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Son You`ve gotto blow yourself up!!!
What would become of You if You didn`t?....
The jews might use your blood to make pastry...
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Originally posted by Braz
Thought I had a good sense of humor,
But playing like your a bomber is not playing soldier. These bombers are cowardly criminals, not cowboys and indians. Adults helped them dress this way, and prepare them for what?
..and your goverment is preparing you to be a brave soldier?-)
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hehe fishu, they still havent found out why all the sudden hollywood flooded the market with glorious, righteous war films ;)
and then bush gets his colon wiggled. Oh yeah baby, something big's gonna happen :D :D
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too bad he will grow up in a society full of lunatics who glamorize the suicide and homicide perpetrated by their young folk.
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Zapkin - unfortunately almost everyone on the planet grows up in that sort of society.
Interesting that both Eagler & Braz mention Cowboys & Indians as an acceptable conflict for kids to play at. It seems a lot like the Palastine/Israel thing in a way: newer immigrants with better military technology go in for wholesale eviction, killing & ghettoization of the older occupants for their land. Very noble, dashing, courageous and super. :rolleyes:
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Extremely noble,
Compared to criminals killing women and children civilians. Mobsters like these only want personal power. They won't listen to Arafat or any other leader because they don't want peace. They only hold power as long as there's conflict. That selfishness has gripped the pallys in poverty, and won't let go.
I choose to support the side that doesn't dress up their children as murdering criminals. Islamic fundimentalists are ruining that faith's reputation around the civilized world. Like Pol Pot and other self-centered despots, these murderers don't care about their people. They export death in the name of Islam.
Peaceful clerics need to risk their lives and speak out against these criminals. Every bomb blows more distance between Islam and the civilized, productive people of other faiths.
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read the story, the pic was found in a Palestian home. The parents said they dressed the baby up as a joke, and that's all fake equipment.
However, it shows the mentalitiy of some of those Palestians.
And they wonder why they dont have the world's sympathy. They teach their kids to hate and kill, so what do you expect ?
Nuke
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Hmm so lemme get this straight the suicide bombers are blowing up themselves & whoever else is nearby for personal power? They only hold power as long as there's conflict?
Funny way of increasing your personal power or holding on to it... still maybe you're right. Personally I have no idea what drives people to do this stuff. Peer pressure I suspect plays a large part.
As to the side which doesn't dress their kids up as murdering criminals - well in my opinion both sides are guilty of murder in Israel. And I have no doubt Israeli kids dress up as IDF soldiers (AFAIK most of them have to dress up as IDF soldiers for real at 18). I choose to support neither side.
But my point is that this is not newsworthy. The kid is not a suicide bomber. He's dressed like one. It's pretend. Why's he dressed like a suicide bomber? Because he was born in Palastine and his dad's in Hamas, according to reports I've heard. If it was the US he'd be a Cowboy or an Indian. BTW are the kids that dress up as Cowboys and Indians still OK? The only way this is ever going to be newsworthy is if it turns out to be an Israeli staged fake. I doubt it is fake. Mostly because that is such an obvious assumption - the kid even has fair hair and blue/green eyes - that the Israelis wouldn't dare try to pass it off as genuine if it weren't.
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However, it shows the mentalitiy of some of those Palestians.
And they wonder why they dont have the world's sympathy. They teach their kids to hate and kill, so what do you expect ?
"kill as many Arabs as possible."
"For me, kill at least 10"
"Ignore the laws and spray them."
Extracts from letters sent by settler children to the IDF during operation Defensive Shield.
A settler's spokeswoman, Emunah Elon, who is also an adviser (on womens rights) to the Israeli government, refused to condemn the letters from the children, and described them as "healthy hatred" for the Arabs.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=180995&contrassID==2&subContrassID=4&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=180995
(It's a mainstream Israeli newspaper, not an Arab propoganda source)
Both sides teach their children to hate.
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It's a mainstream Israeli newspaper, not an Arab propoganda source
That only shows the difference between the two sides.
I`m yet to see any arab-palestinian website where they say bad things about themselves.
My oppinion: diddly `em.But that doesn`t mean that`s what`s the IDF is gonna do.I don`t make the decisions.The punk who pushes the button on he`s or her explosive belt however makes that final decision.
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Compared to criminals killing women and children civilians. Mobsters like these only want personal power. They won't listen to Arafat or any other leader because they don't want peace. They only hold power as long as there's conflict. That selfishness has gripped the pallys in poverty, and won't let go.
Israeli policies have gripped the Palestinians in poverty.
Here's an extract from an article in Ha'aretz, the Israeli newspaper I linked to above:
Since 1967, Israel's economic policy regarding the territories, and especially the Gaza Strip, has been based on two principles - bringing cheap Palestinian labor into Israel and preventing the development of an independent economic sector in the territories. (The latter was achieved by restrictive laws and by blocking the development of infrastructure, despite the fact that Palestinians paid taxes to the state). So the families of those working in Israel achieved relative economic prosperity on a personal level, while the community as a whole remained economically backward.
In Israeli in the 1970s it was hoped this economic dependence would prevent separation and that personal economic welfare would deflect any nationalist ideas about political independence. Even in the optimistic days of Oslo, economists explained that this dependence still existed and that even if development plans went ahead with a hitch, it would still require many years to create new jobs. Thus, economic stability in the territories - and especially in the Gaza Strip - depended on jobs in Israel.
The situation in the occupied territories is directly of Israel's making. Because of the first Intifada, which broke out in 1987, 20 years after the occupation began, Israel brought in the PLO to maintain order.
It wasn't an attempt to improve conditions for the Palestinians, you don't have to be a genious to work out giving power to a terrorist group isn't going to be very nice for the people they have power over. Instead it was an attempt to keep control of land, and the source of cheap labour available.
From an article in the Jerusalem post, the largest Israeli newspaper:
From the beginning and putting aside the palaver about a New Middle East the strategic calculus that informed Oslo was a simple one: Deputize thugs to take care of thugs. Revive the weakened strongmen of the PLO and they will do Israel's dirty work against Hamas and Islamic Jihad without fear of cavil from sundry human-rights groups in Israel and beyond. Wash your hands of the Palestinians once and for all, leave them to their sqalor, their corruption, and their tyranny, and they will leave us alone.
Nearly nine years later, the results of Oslo are in. The creation of a Palestinian Authority has indeed led to Palestinian immiseration at the hands of their thuggish leaders. But it has not given Israel the peace it thought it would gain in the process. Instead, we have the French Hill bombing, and the Egged bus bombing, and the Meggido Junction bombings, and the Park Hotel bombing, and the Moment cafe bombing, and the Haifa bombings, and Sbarro bombing, and the Dolphinarium bombing, and the Ramallah lynchings; an endless succession of genocides in miniature committed by the very regime Israel gave birth to on that fateful and awful day in September, 1993.
Israel has now taken control of most of the territory of the Wes Bank and Gaza. More than 1 million Palestinians are under 24hr curfew, allowed out 5 hours 1 day a week to buy food. If Israel doesn't want another wave of suicide bomber when that curfew is lifted, they need to do something to improve the lot of the Palestinians, not find another way to grind them under.
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You know what Palastinians are? They are Arabs and there is no such thing as Palestine and never has been. There has never in history been a state or even a defiined area know as Palastine.
After the Arabs attacked Israel in 1948, aprox 200,000 Arab settlers fled the war zone. These Arabs willfully left. They were settlers, along with Jews in the area. The Arab settlers came from Arab states like Jordan, Iran, Iraq etc..... thats what they are, Arabs. Not until 1960's do we ever hear the "Palestinians" or Arab states demanding a "Palestinian" state. Thats because there never was one to begin with. Arafat was born in Egypt!
Remenants of this group tried to Overthrow the Jordainian Governement, which finannly got sick of them and kicked them out. They also tried to over-throw the gov of Kuwait.
1967, The Arabs massed there troops and King Nassar of Eqypt kicked the UN peacekeepers from the buffer zone around the Suez canal. He then announced that it was time for action, not words and that Isreal woulds be pushed into the sea. Syria and Jordan massed troops and began shelling Isreal. ( all the while, the wonderful UN didnt lift a finger in protest)
Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against the Arabs rather than wait for the blows that where coming. To sum it up, the Arabs ( who outnumbered Israeli forces by a large margine) got wiped out in a matter of a few days. Egypt lost most of it's AirForce and tanks. The Arabs lost in a humiliating way.
This war of 1967 was brought about by Jordan, Egypt and Syria.
Israel captured land from Jordan Egypt and Syria, not from "Palestine". Israel legally owns these captured areas as a result of territory gained in a war with a negotiated end. Do you ever hear Jordan or Eqypt demanding their land back? After all, it was their land. In fact, Israel did give a huge area of land back to Egypt as a result of a peace treaty in 1976.... a treaty both partys honored .
I have ZERO sypmathy for these lying murderers known as Hamas, PLO, etc. They need to be crushed. Let Jordon take these losers back. Better yet, Israel should give all the land back to Jordan and let the PLO bully Jordan again.
If they stay and they tell the world that they are at war with Israel, let Isral show them a war. Let the gloves come off.
Im sick of murdering,terrorists thugs looking for sympathy.
Nuke
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Nuke, Sorry but you didn't make yourself very clear. Are you pro-Israeli, pro-Palestenian or neutral? Your statement "I'm tired of murdering,terrorist thugs looking for sympathy" seems somewhat ambivilent.
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YOU da MAN NUKE!!
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"Nuke, Sorry but you didn't make yourself very clear. Are you pro-Israeli, pro-Palestenian or neutral? Your statement "I'm tired of murdering,terrorist thugs looking for sympathy" seems somewhat ambivilent."
Elfenwolf, are you retarded or just stupid? You cant tell If Im pro Israel or pro Palestinian?
Maybe part or your problem lies in reading comprehesion.
Nuke
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After the Arabs attacked Israel in 1948, aprox 200,000 Arab settlers fled the war zone.
It was closer to 500,000. Most of them fled before he Arab armies attacked, as the Jewish irregular forces, like the Haganah, conquered land that had been set aside for the Palestinian state, enlarging the borders of what would become Israel.
They were settlers, along with Jews in the area. The Arab settlers came from Arab states like Jordan, Iran, Iraq etc..... thats what they are, Arabs. Not until 1960's do we ever hear the "Palestinians" or Arab states demanding a "Palestinian" state.
Zionists began immigrating to Palestine in large numbers at the begining of the 20th century. The British census of Palestine in 1922 showed a population of 550,000 thousand Arabs, making up about 80% of the total population, iirc. 60,000 Jews were in Palestine by that time.
Palestine was the name given to the area long before that. If you read the Balfour declaration, committing Britain to support a Jewish national homeland, it says "in Palestine"
Arafat was born in Egypt!
His parents came from Jerusalem. Most of the Zionist leaders were born in Europe of parents who were born in Europe, grandparents in Europe, etc, back dozens of generations.
Israel legally owns these captured areas as a result of territory gained in a war with a negotiated end. Do you ever hear Jordan or Eqypt demanding their land back? After all, it was their land.
These territories were not part of Egypt or Jordan. Not even Israel claims to own the West Bank and Gaza strip. Doing so would make Israel give the people there citizenship, and Israel wants less Arab citizens, not more.
Not a single country, including Israel, recognises the territories as part of Israel.
Better yet, Israel should give all the land back to Jordan and let the PLO bully Jordan again.
Israel should certainly do something other than hold on to the land, without giving citizenship to the people who live there. Giving it back to Jordan is an interesting idea. It would leave Jordan to clear up the mess Israel has created, but haing done so they could set a Palestinian state there.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The Arab settlers came from Arab states like Jordan, Iran, Iraq etc..... thats what they are, Arabs.
Iran is not an arab state.
The people of Iran are from the indo-german race and not members of the semite race (which are arabs or the original jews in Israel).
They also dont speak the arab language and dont share the same sunnite islamic religion but have their own religious variant, the shi´ite Islam.
When I visited Iran I made the same mistake by calling them arabs and my iranian collegues were deeply insulted when I did so and gave me the informations above.
One iranian made the following joke: "When in Israel 1 israeli and 2 palestines are killed, the score is 3:0 for Iran."
And this man was a 55 year old chief surgeon and not a 18 years old fanatic boy.
Despite all the propaganda there is no unite islamic or arab front.
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Originally posted by Nashwan
It was closer to 500,000. Most of them fled before he Arab armies attacked, as the Jewish irregular forces, like the Haganah, conquered land that had been set aside for the Palestinian state, enlarging the borders of what would become Israel.
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Nashwan, why didnt you answer his first statement? Here let me highlight it for you in case you missed it: You know what Palastinians are? They are Arabs and there is no such thing as Palestine and never has been. There has never in history been a state or even a defiined area know as Palastine. [/b]
I seem to recall long discussions we had on this subject, and your lack of response here puzzles me. Does this mean that you agree with the highlighted statement?
As for your answer, it is kinda symptomatic, we seem to be talking about different aspects of the same subject. Nuke said approx 200 000 arabs fled the warzone when the arabs attacked. You say that closer to 500 000 fled but most of them fled before he Arab armies attacked. Does this mean that you agree with Nukes statement that approx 200 000 arabs fled after the arab attack? But you also would like to include 2-300 000 arabs in this refugee number, although those ppl fled before the state of Israel came into existence. Is that the correct way to interpret your statement?
Zionists began immigrating to Palestine in large numbers at the begining of the 20th century. The British census of Palestine in 1922 showed a population of 550,000 thousand Arabs, making up about 80% of the total population, iirc. 60,000 Jews were in Palestine by that time.
Palestine was the name given to the area long before that. If you read the Balfour declaration, committing Britain to support a Jewish national homeland, it says "in Palestine"
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Again Nashwan, you are not really answering to, or commenting on, his statements. Why the smokescreen?
The question of when "zionists" began immigrating to Palestine is completely irrelevant and without interest. It is also irrelevant how many arabs there were living in Palestine in 1922. Nuke says that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian", they are all arabs, Nuke also says no arab state demanded a palestinian state before the 60-ies. Your reply has got nothing to do with this. Why the smokescreen?
As for the Balfour declaration... tell me Nashwan…was there a British protectorate called "Palestine" in the area at that time? Might that be the reason the geographical location of the soon-to-be jewish homeland is described as "in Palestine"?
These territories were not part of Egypt or Jordan. Not even Israel claims to own the West Bank and Gaza strip. Doing so would make Israel give the people there citizenship, and Israel wants less Arab citizens, not more.
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Nashwan you never cease to amaze me. How many times have we been over this? Can you please once and for all give this part of your argumentation up. Yet again you stumble onto the arena of international law with the persistence of a drunk. GIVE IT UP. We have been over Jordan and Egypt and the legal status of the west bank and the gaza strip in countless posts before. Just back away from the subject you clearly dont want to understand.
And whether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not, Israel has international law on her side in this conflict. Suck it up.
And you have ALOT to learn about citizenship. If Israel would annex the west bank or the gaza strip that would not force her to adopt the people living there citizenship. What ever gave you that idea? Citizenship is regulated in national law, or in this case Israels national law.
Not a single country, including Israel, recognises the territories as part of Israel.
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And again…it doesnt matter. How many countries, including Israel recognized the fact that the territories are under de factoIsraeli jurisdiction and control?
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cry all you want about the Israeli "invasion" and the rights of the Pals being crushed with the curfew ...
How many bombs have gone off in the last week?
I think Israel is ready to stay forever if that's what it takes to stop the suicide bombing. The Pals will never win with bombing. Gaining the worlds sympathy with "civilized" <- is this word in Arafat's (the terrorist turned "world leader") dictionary? - negotiations is their only hope of coming out of this alive. If not, I'm all for Israel doing whatever it takes to keep them under control.
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Originally posted by Braz
Here's a piece from cnn on bomb carrying tots,
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/06/28/baby.photo/index.html
Not so funny after all.
They're going to do what? Is there no limit to the extremes they'll go to? errr. . . . . . ah . . . . . . ..Sorry, I thought you said twot. Nevermind.
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Nashwan, why didnt you answer his first statement? Here let me highlight it for you in case you missed it: You know what Palastinians are? They are Arabs and there is no such thing as Palestine and never has been. There has never in history been a state or even a defiined area know as Palastine.
I did, you obviously missed it. Here it is again:
Palestine was the name given to the area long before that. If you read the Balfour declaration, committing Britain to support a Jewish national homeland, it says "in Palestine"
I didn't point out that the area had defined borders, but I'll do so now if you like.
There was a defined area called Palestine. It was full of Arabs, called Palestinians.
As for your answer, it is kinda symptomatic, we seem to be talking about different aspects of the same subject. Nuke said approx 200 000 arabs fled the warzone when the arabs attacked. You say that closer to 500 000 fled but most of them fled before he Arab armies attacked. Does this mean that you agree with Nukes statement that approx 200 000 arabs fled after the arab attack? But you also would like to include 2-300 000 arabs in this refugee number, although those ppl fled before the state of Israel came into existence. Is that the correct way to interpret your statement?
I agree with most of the statement, but I wanted to put it in context. All too often, people believe the old story, that Israel was set up peacefully, and the evil Arabs tried to destroy them. The truth is Israel was set up amid a lot of violence, from both sides, and the Arab armies attacked after a lot of violence and ethnic cleansing had already been perpetrated.
It's sort of like someone parroting "Britain and France started WW2 by declaring war on Germany". It needs to be put in context.
I do not agree with his desription "willfully left", which implies they went of their own free will, rather than becoming refugees when their towns and villages were attacked. If you want to repeat the propoganda, that they left because they were told to do so by Arab radio broadcasts, I will oint you to the work of Erskine Childers, who analysed the BBC monitoring service records, and could find only repeated appeals to the Arabs to stay put.
The question of when "zionists" began immigrating to Palestine is completely irrelevant and without interest. It is also irrelevant how many arabs there were living in Palestine in 1922.
It's not irrelevant, because Nuke claimed the Arabs were settlers, just like the Jews. By showing the population figures from 25 years earlier, I am showing that these areas had an Arab population, therefore they can't hve been "settlers".
Nuke says that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian", they are all arabs, Nuke also says no arab state demanded a palestinian state before the 60-ies. Your reply has got nothing to do with this. Why the smokescreen?
How is this a smokescreen?
The area was populated by Arabs. It was called Palestine. The people were called Palestinians.
There is no such thing as a German, they are all Europeans. Perhaps Germany could be given to the Jews, and the "German Europeans" moved elsewhere in Europe? (It would certainly have been more fitting than making the Palestinians pay for the crimes of Nazi Germany.)
As to wether any Arab states called for the setting up of a Palestinian state, I don't know off hand. I don't really care enough to find out either. Why should what the Palestinians neighbours wnated matter? The Palestinians themselves repeatedly called for their own state.
As for the Balfour declaration... tell me Nashwan…was there a British protectorate called "Palestine" in the area at that time?
No.
Might that be the reason the geographical location of the soon-to-be jewish homeland is described as "in Palestine"?
I'm obviously to stupid to understand your fine legal brain. Please explain.
Nashwan you never cease to amaze me. How many times have we been over this? Can you please once and for all give this part of your argumentation up. Yet again you stumble onto the arena of international law with the persistence of a drunk. GIVE IT UP. We have been over Jordan and Egypt and the legal status of the west bank and the gaza strip in countless posts before. Just back away from the subject you clearly dont want to understand.
Do you now claim the West Bank and Gaza are part of Israel? As I said, nobody, not even Israel, makes that claim.
Just make it clear wether or not you believe the territories are part of Israel.
And whether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not, Israel has international law on her side in this conflict. Suck it up.
In what way exactly?
And you have ALOT to learn about citizenship. If Israel would annex the west bank or the gaza strip that would not force her to adopt the people living there citizenship. What ever gave you that idea? Citizenship is regulated in national law, or in this case Israels national law.
Remember your lectures on the difference between politics and law? Israel cannot annex the territories and not provide citizenship, not for legal reasons but for political reasons.
And again…it doesnt matter. How many countries, including Israel recognized the fact that the territories are under de factoIsraeli jurisdiction and control?
I was responding to the following statement:
Israel legally owns these captured areas as a result of territory gained in a war with a negotiated end.
Israel has de facto control. That is not "legal ownership"
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ROFL :D
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Bombcat