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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: discod on September 21, 2001, 07:11:00 PM
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Each tour I try and pick a plane I have not flown much and master it. While I have a lot of interesting points about several planes, this is my review of some of the most popular or unpopular planes in this game. Anyone else agree with me on this?
C.205 -- Underrated. This plane is quite leathal. It's fast, quick to speed, quite manuverable at 400+mph AND 100mph, good guns, good climb rate. Disadvantages, poor visibility, made of paper (a couple of .50 cal pings kills it), and no ordinance capability.
F4U-1C -- Overrated. OK this is still my favorite plane because it has the most leathal killing power in the game. Visibility is good, roll rate is good, nice ordinance loadouts, and it dives like a dream, but this plane is very hard to fly, it stalls easier than any other plane I've flown, it's very slow, poor climbrate, hard to land, and a poor turn fighter. That said...in the right hands this thing is a killing machine!! :D
N1K2 -- Overrated it turns well, has a great climbrate, it's fast, gets to speed quick, good guns, disadvantages are poor visibility, guns are really weak considering its got 4x20mm, every time I fly it I wonder what all the fuss is about.
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how dare you say that about the n1k!
(get ready for some whiny replies)
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You must'nt be flying the N1K properly then, also guns are as lethal as C-Hog imo.
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The 205 damage model is off. The 202 is know for having as much durabilty/strength as the hurricane.
The 202 and has basicaly the same airframe so the 205 inherits the 202 durability.
The 205 did have ordance for bombs, albiet there were rarely used, but i don't see anyone squeaking anout the rarely used niki. Don't see how hard it is for HTC to put a option for a few light bombs or a single 250
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Originally posted by Zygote:
You must'nt be flying the N1K properly then, also guns are as lethal as C-Hog imo.
cc that! Those damned 202 guns are too...ban 'em.
SOB
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How can you talk about durability or damage model when bullets coming HO can rip your horizontal stabilizer away and leave the rest intact? :D
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he sez that the Hog's slow...
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Think he means trouble accelerating or trouble to gain E.
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Originally posted by pdog_109:
The 205 damage model is off. The 202 is know for having as much durabilty/strength as the hurricane.
The 202 and has basicaly the same airframe so the 205 inherits the 202 durability.
Are you saying the 205 is too tough or are you saying that it should be tougher? Because I swear the thing is made of paper, 85% of the time if I hear 1 ping my engine dies. The palne doesn't seem to explode or shred into thousands of pieces easily, it just seems to loose critical parts easily so you are a sitting duck.
And as for the N1K...I don't dislike it and I don't really like it. It just seems average to me, I'm probably just a crappy pilot in it because I can't seem to make it do amazing things like others say it can.
Oh I forgot to mention, the CHOG is the ULTIMATE vulch machine!!! Buwhahahahaaaaaa I dare you to try and come up when I'm circling in that thing :D It's a good thing it is good for that since you have to get 9 freaking kills just to earn 1 perk point!!!
[ 09-22-2001: Message edited by: discod ]
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yawn....another juxtaposition post.
it's not bad it's good! and it's not good it's reallly bad!
see the most advantaged planes in the planeset really suck - and that's why everyone flies them. and the least used planes are really uber and that's why no one flies them.
:rolleyes:
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Would say C hog is better then what you descibed, tough to take off with and land yes. It's not very slow IMO, faster then my normal ride (190 A8), it turns FAR better and allmost the same roll speed. It does stall and spin quite fast but as long as ya fly it on the edge it turns pretty damn good, better then A8, better then P51 and many other planes. Specially with 1 notch of flaps.
It climbs bad too, not quite as bad as 190 A8 though :D
Allso, 190 A8 with 30mm has got a better punch :)
Ops, pulled in my Bucther Bird in this thread ;)
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The N1K2-J has poor visibilty? :confused:
That one is new to me. It has always had one of the best visibility ratings in my book. Not the best, that goes to the Yak-9s, but one of the best.
[ 09-22-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
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Originally posted by gatt:
How can you talk about durability or damage model when bullets coming HO can rip your horizontal stabilizer away and leave the rest intact? :D
IMO the answer to your question is named 'Convergence' :)
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Originally posted by Zygote:
You must'nt be flying the N1K properly then, also guns are as lethal as C-Hog imo.
you are on crack :) but no offence. The IJA cannons are nowhere close as lethal as the AH modeled hispano..no way.
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Originally posted by discod:
F4U-1C -- Overrated. OK this is still my favorite plane because it has the most leathal killing power in the game. Visibility is good, roll rate is good, nice ordinance loadouts, and it dives like a dream, but this plane is very hard to fly, it stalls easier than any other plane I've flown, it's very slow, poor climbrate, hard to land, and a poor turn fighter. That said...in the right hands this thing is a killing machine!! :D
The AH corsair is one of the sweetest handling AC we have at our disposal. It, like all the other AC have strengths that you exploit to better your opponent. The corsairs strengths are very pronounced. Its rollrate is only bested by the FW, and at good speed I would say it rolls with the FW. If you keep this plane fast ( and It is not slow...) you have a monster. If it is the cannon hog, you have point and click destruction. Now that is something to write home to mom about ;)
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Corsair has an awesome gunsight view too.
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discod,
205 should be tougher.
What i said, regards to real life, not AH :)
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Originally posted by Ammo:
you are on crack but no offence. The IJA cannons are nowhere close as lethal as the AH modeled hispano..no way.
Whats the difference between pouring 1 gallon of petrol on some poor bastard and setting em alight and 2 gallons?
4 99II's and 4 Hisp both gunna kill ya, so the point is mute.
:mad:
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Originally posted by Zygote:
Whats the difference between pouring 1 gallon of petrol on some poor bastard and setting em alight and 2 gallons?
4 99II's and 4 Hisp both gunna kill ya, so the point is mute.
:mad:
take it easy fella. I was only saying that you cannot compare the two rounds. The hispano is far superior to the type 99. The macchi 202 will kill you too, but we all know that it isn't on par with the hispano either.
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Originally posted by Ammo:
take it easy fella. I was only saying that you cannot compare the two rounds. The hispano is far superior to the type 99. The macchi 202 will kill you too, but we all know that it isn't on par with the hispano either.
Sure ammo the 202 will kill you, as long as it stays glued to your six and less then 300d for five minutes yeah :)
but my original post was in regards to lethality, not firepower. Yes the hispanos are more powerful then the 99II but there comes a point where bullet power becomes inconsequential. A N1K2 will easily kill you dead as much as a C-Hog or a Typhoon will in a good snapshot, HO or when on your six.
I was talking lethality, not firepower.
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Zygote,
That is simply not true. The trajectory of the Hispanno MkII is much better than the trajectory of the Type 99 MkII. The F4U-1C and Typhoon will have a much easier time hitting with their cannon in the snapshot and they can hit with a snap shot at greater range.
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cc Karnak maybe I misunderstood the original post on the N1K cannon. I understood this "guns are really weak considering its got 4x20mm" to mean when it hits, not to mean its ability to hit and its ability to hit at longer ranges, etc etc. What I'm saying is given the number of hits on a target that the chog needs to make a kill (a small burst), then the n1k given that same number of hits on the target (a small burst) will usually also make that kill.
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I'd say you can sum the three planes in question up as follows...
1) 205.....make a mistake and I'll keeeel you
2) C hog....let me get a shot and I'll keeeel you
3) nikki....let me do dumb ACM's burn e all over act like a dweeb....and I'll keeeel you
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Zygote,
IIRC, the damage looks like this:
If the Hispano MkII damage is 100, then the Type 99 MkII would be about 85. That is really close.
Tony Williams has the following listed for AH guns in his book "Rapid Fire":
NS-37
Projectile Diameter: 37mm
Projectile Type: AP
Projectile Weight gm: 735
Muzzle Velocity: 900 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 298,000
Used in AH By: Yak-9T
FlaK 18
Projectile Diameter: 37mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 640
Muzzle Velocity: 820 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 215,000
Used in AH By: Ostwind
MK 108
Projectile Diameter: 30mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 330
Muzzle Velocity: 505 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 42,100
Used in AH By: Bf109G-6, Bf109G-10, Fw190A-8, Me262A-1, Ta152H-1
VYa
Projectile Diameter: 23mm
Projectile Type: API
Projectile Weight gm: 200
Muzzle Velocity: 880 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 77,400
Used in AH By: Il-2 Type 3
Hispano MkII / M2
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 130
Muzzle Velocity: 880 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 50,300
Used in AH By: F4U-1C, Hurricane MkIIc, Mosquito FB.MkVI, P-38L, Seafire MkIIc, Spitfire MkVb, Spitfire MkIX, Typhoon MkIb
ShVAK / B-20
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 97
Muzzle Velocity: 860 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 35,900
Used in AH By: La-5FN, La-7, Yak-9U
Hispano MkV
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 130
Muzzle Velocity: 850 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 46,900
Used in AH By: Tempest MkV
Type 99 MkII
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 128
Muzzle Velocity: 750 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 36,000
Used in AH By: A6M5b, N1K2-J
Ho-5
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HEI
Projectile Weight gm: 79
Muzzle Velocity: 730 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 21,000
Used in AH By: Ki-61-KAI-C
MG151/20
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 115
Muzzle Velocity: 710 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 29,000
Used in AH By: Bf109F-4, Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6, Bf109G-10, Fw190A-5, Fw190A-8, Fw190D-9, Fw190F-8, Ta152H-1
MG-FF
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 134
Muzzle Velocity: 600 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 24,100
Used in AH By: Fw190A-5
.50" Browning
Projectile Diameter: 12.7mm
Projectile Type: AP
Projectile Weight gm: 46
Muzzle Velocity: 880 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 17,800
Used in AH By: B-17G, B-26B, Elco 80' PT Boat, F4U-1, F4U-1D, F6F-5, Lancaster MkIII, LTVA2, LTVA4, M3, M8 'Greyhound', M16, P-38L, P-47D-11, P-47D-25, P-47D-30, P-51B, P-51D, Spitfire MkIX
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Where and inwhich angle do u find the corsairs visibility good? I just cant check my 6 in that thing and half of my up view is all browned up as well :p
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have you shifted your view up and left and then hit f10 to save it?? this has to be done for every plane you fly in. any plane will get a good rear view by doing this--btw.
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interesant the joules states for diferent guns , well lets try will P 47 hower nose down at place if fire all guns at time ? :D :D
damit the recoil seem not modeled ? 190a8 will slown down when fire all guns at 25 k and up
are YAk super light fighter will fly backward ? :D :D :D